I wonder weather the dog was either afraid of the water, or that if it just knew that the current is too strong for itself?
Either way, it wasn't worth nearly killing it for one stunt. ( Who the rescue workers just barely got the dog out of the situation )
There were other options this scene could've been done better without risking the life of the dog..
A. Tone down the current, make the river less treacherous and just CG the more intense water effects.
B. Film the scene at a pool and just CG in treacherous waters.
or..
C. Cut the scene entirely
This dog probably won't live this down, and likely to even hate the water entirely; All for the sake of getting the right shot..
There is one positive from all of this. Only 2 weeks into 2017 and we have a candidate for post of the year:
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51691758]Funny, because I can still eat dogs here.
I could walk into a public park and start chopping up dog carcaseses and light up a barbecue and it would be totally legal.
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[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;51692586]There is one positive from all of this. Only 2 weeks into 2017 and we have a candidate for post of the year:[/QUOTE]
We've had like 10 of those in the past month.
2017 is the year of the shitposter.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;51692479]I hate to be devils advocate but it's entirely possible this was cut to seem worse then it is. I find it highly doubtful that the dog wasn't trained for this, in these exact conditions. There were clearly safety precautions thought out for this, seeing as there is a diver immediately on standby. Before going all "This movie is the absolute worse and abuses animals!" when only seeing a vague representation / two very specifically cut clips, and especially in this day in age where getting views = $$$, please wait for more evidence to appear and consider what might really be going on.
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After I finished writing this I found a note from the production company, which claims these videos were taken out of context and two completely separate days. Take from that what you will.[/QUOTE]
I didn't realize animal cruelty required context. That video doesn't need context. That dog very clearly was trying to claw and crawl its way out of that water and they forced it in in spite of that.
Not to mention all of this could have either been cut or replaced with CGI entirely.
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for people stating they should had gone with cgi, cgi for this would look like garbage compared to the real thing also depending the realism can be really expensive more so then the set. Bad cgi is a make or break with a movie. With that said, they fucked up so bad no wonder this is in january.
Dogs are afraid of baths too. Does that mean we should stop cleaning them? Although it did look a bit dangerous, there were multiple people on standby throughout the entire thing and the dog was almost definitely fine or else they wouldn't have cut the video there to make it seem like the dog was harmed.
[QUOTE=matt000024;51692712]Dogs are afraid of baths too. Does that mean we should stop cleaning them? Although it did look a bit dangerous, there were multiple people on standby throughout the entire thing and the dog was almost definitely fine or else they wouldn't have cut the video there to make it seem like the dog was harmed.[/QUOTE]
Yes because psychological trauma doesnt exist and a calm bathtub is the same as rushing rapid waters.
[QUOTE=matt000024;51692712]Dogs are afraid of baths too. Does that mean we should stop cleaning them? Although it did look a bit dangerous, there were multiple people on standby throughout the entire thing and the dog was almost definitely fine or else they wouldn't have cut the video there to make it seem like the dog was harmed.[/QUOTE]
Wickedplayers cousin is that you?
[QUOTE=matt000024;51692712]Dogs are afraid of baths too. Does that mean we should stop cleaning them? Although it did look a bit dangerous, there were multiple people on standby throughout the entire thing and the dog was almost definitely fine or else they wouldn't have cut the video there to make it seem like the dog was harmed.[/QUOTE]
If the dog was fine why would they cut the video at all?
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;51692789]If the dog was fine why would they cut the video at all?[/QUOTE]
Because they wanted to make sure it is fine? Not saying it wasn't in a slightly dangerous situation, but as long as people were on standby it seemed to have been fine.
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;51692857]some of the things you defend really make me think you're not even human or atleast capable of normal thought[/QUOTE]
What the fuck are you even implying here? I have different opinions than you so I must be subhuman?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51692726]Yes because psychological trauma doesnt exist and a calm bathtub is the same as rushing rapid waters.[/QUOTE]
Some dogs can be so scared of things like pools. Some can't handle being anywhere near a pool
[video=youtube;XXXFuIBFv14]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXXFuIBFv14[/video]
In this video you can see the dog getting used to it pretty quickly, but some dogs tend to take almost days to get them used to pools, let alone teach them to not fear going near pools.
[QUOTE=matt000024;51692712]Dogs are afraid of baths too. Does that mean we should stop cleaning them? Although it did look a bit dangerous, there were multiple people on standby throughout the entire thing and the dog was almost definitely fine or else they wouldn't have cut the video there to make it seem like the dog was harmed.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between breed dogs and wild dogs.
Wild dogs are naturally born in a dangerous habitat, that lets them slowly adapt while being young, to clean themselves, and with the use of a river/ocean, in their own tempo. Breed dogs are not used to such things, and must therefore be cleaned by hand until they learn themselves (cats too, and it's a pain in the ass), in their own tempo. If we don't clean them in a bathtub, they'll get diseases, just like when you don't comm them since their pelt tangles and collects lots of bad stuff. Even though the dog may not like the small amount of water, it must be done for them to live, or else we'd have to put them down, or give them to a much better caretaker that are experts on dogs. A small bathtub is a big difference from a strong aggressive, and deep river stream, that forces the dog underwater, especially when it panics (happens to people too). If you know about water simulation, were the end stream is deep and instant with a strong force, the force of the 'swimmer' goes all directions, which makes weaker organisms constantly go up and down the surface, and that's the real panic of drowning, especially when the organism gets tired and can't fight the stream anymore. They forced a dog to a dangerous place, that the dog knew he/she wouldn't make in its position, so this can easily cause mental trauma. The dog was forced into a situation he/she knew she would die. No matter the security operated by the film crew, damage has been done psychologically, and is therefore abuse. If the trauma has applied (which I can assure you due to their sensitivity), this dog may not even walk near water again, and may attack the owner who tries to bath him/her, and must then be put down for it and other's good. This is nothing but animal abuse and they should be held accountable at all costs, because nothing is worth more than a life.
/Born on a farm and a dog kennel
what is dog? oh baby dont hurt me, no more
[QUOTE=The bird Man;51692959]There's a difference between breed dogs and wild dogs.
Wild dogs are naturally born in a dangerous habitat, that lets them slowly adapt while being young, to clean themselves, and with the use of a river/ocean, in their own tempo. Breed dogs are not used to such things, and must therefore be cleaned by hand until they learn themselves (cats too, and it's a pain in the ass), in their own tempo. If we don't clean them in a bathtub, they'll get diseases, just like when you don't comm them since their pelt tangles and collects lots of bad stuff. Even though the dog may not like the small amount of water, it must be done for them to live, or else we'd have to put them down, or give them to a much better caretaker that are experts on dogs. A small bathtub is a big difference from a strong aggressive, and deep river stream, that forces the dog underwater, especially when it panics (happens to people too). If you know about water simulation, were the end stream is deep and instant with a strong force, the force of the 'swimmer' goes all directions, which makes weaker organisms constantly go up and down the surface, and that's the real panic of drowning, especially when the organism gets tired and can't fight the stream anymore. They forced a dog to a dangerous place, that the dog knew he/she wouldn't make in its position, so this can easily cause mental trauma. The dog was forced into a situation he/she knew she would die. No matter the security operated by the film crew, damage has been done psychologically, and is therefore abuse. If the trauma has applied (which I can assure you due to their sensitivity), this dog may not even walk near water again, and may attack the owner who tries to bath him/her, and must then be put down for it and other's good. This is nothing but animal abuse and they should be held accountable at all costs, because nothing is worth more than a life.
/Born on a farm and a dog kennel[/QUOTE]
The guy didn't just throw the dog headfirst into the water though. In the video clip you can tell the guy was trying to get the dog to test the water first, likely to show it that it was fine (he pulled it out right after the dog touched the water). Then suddenly jump cut to the dog in the water. To me this all just appears to be bullshit editing by TMZ.
[QUOTE=matt000024;51692976]The guy didn't just throw the dog headfirst into the water though. In the video clip you can tell the guy was trying to get the dog to test the water first, likely to show it that it was fine (he pulled it out right after the dog touched the water). Then suddenly jump cut to the dog in the water. To me this all just appears to be bullshit editing by TMZ.[/QUOTE]
Don't you see that it's a terrified dog that grabs hold onto the rear, and by force? Only that is enough to count as abuse. I see no help from the people that would kept him from falling down, instead they just let him hang free without the capability to climb by itself. You don't hold a child with a phobia over a strong river and then say "It's fine", or say "Just try", there's still a sheer amount of panic of danger. You don't force anyone that is afraid of dying to do things, no matter if it's safe or not. This is not a legitimate nor safe method to train a dog to like water. This is still mental abuse. I don't see the phony editing made by the TMZ. All they did was to cut to the end. This implies two things:
1. They may have forced it even more than we saw to actually get the dog into the water
2. There's no way to tell if the dog liked it or not while it was being in the water
Extra: Still doesn't prove your statement about the recorded footage
It is right in front of you.
[URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1549219&p=51692498#post51692498"]Pretty much everyone else here seem to have common sense when it comes to dog training.[/URL]
I can't even believe I'm arguing against someone who don't care about animal abuse.
Besides why do people wanna watch this
Its like the 50th talking dog movie or something
exactly it looks like shit anyway lol
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;51692586]There is one positive from all of this. Only 2 weeks into 2017 and we have a candidate for post of the year:[/QUOTE]
Good attempt, but I doubt anything will top last year's.
If the allegations are true, I hope this movie bombs hard. If the statement that the video was taken and edited out of context is true, then the people who published that video need to lose their fucking jobs.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;51694057]Good attempt, but I doubt anything will top last year's.
If the allegations are true, I hope this movie bombs hard. If the statement that the video was taken and edited out of context is true, then the people who published that video need to lose their fucking jobs.[/QUOTE]
when have TMZ ever been held accountable for editorializing shit for the sake of causing some sorta drama
[QUOTE=TCB;51694067]when have TMZ ever been held accountable for editorializing shit for the sake of causing some sorta drama[/QUOTE]
I keep thinking maybe Trump would go after "fake news" but to him "fake news" is anything that isn't currently sucking his dick.
yeah i don't think trumpo has much incentive to deal with that sorta stuff, it'd be a great move but i doubt it'd do much good for him unless he tries to strongarm his way into making sure the only fake news works in his favour but that seems like a fairly impossible feat
fake news is rampant out here in the UK too, i'm sick of seeing distant family share bullshit articles about "government just gave a £million house to a refugee" and "government spent £100k evicting elderly couple", not to mention the clusterfuck of lies that made up most of brexit's leave campaign
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haha Yeah
[QUOTE=sitoncio.dev;51694159][img]https://snag.gy/Ip3LtH.jpg[/img]
haha Yeah[/QUOTE]
The difference here is that Devito likely agreed to do that scene while the german shepard likely didn't have a choice on the matter.
[QUOTE=Skerion;51694254]The difference here is that Devito likely agreed to do that scene while the german shepard likely didn't have a choice on the matter.[/QUOTE]
if someone here posts about animals being able to consent I'm going to donkey punch them in their fucking throat
imo at most, from the video, the dog was being goaded in, not being forced in. And if the production companies story is true, it only had trouble ONCE ever and it wasn't even on the same day.
Animals don't sign up for this stuff, but neither do horses to being ridden (and raced, with the potential of injury and death, the same here, (Albeit less so)) and many other animals. Honestly if you think this is wrong you should hate that stuff, too.
[QUOTE=Skerion;51694254]The difference here is that Devito likely agreed to do that scene while the german shepard likely didn't have a choice on the matter.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Danny Devito can consent.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;51694549]imo at most, from the video, the dog was being goaded in, not being forced in. And if the production companies story is true, it only had trouble ONCE ever and it wasn't even on the same day.
Animals don't sign up for this stuff, but neither do horses to being ridden (and raced, with the potential of injury and death, the same here, (Albeit less so)) and many other animals. Honestly if you think this is wrong you should hate that stuff, too.[/QUOTE]
How to grossly oversimplify animal psychology 101.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;51694549]imo at most, from the video, the dog was being goaded in, not being forced in. And if the production companies story is true, it only had trouble ONCE ever and it wasn't even on the same day.
Animals don't sign up for this stuff, but neither do horses to being ridden (and raced, with the potential of injury and death, the same here, (Albeit less so)) and many other animals. Honestly if you think this is wrong you should hate that stuff, too.[/QUOTE]
I don't think horses are fearing for their safety while they're being ridden, i'd argue that the dog was fearing for his own safety or even life in this video.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;51694583]I don't think horses are fearing for their safety while they're being ridden[/QUOTE]
They should while racing
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