Maybe they do, but they don't show any real sign of distress so can't be sure unlike the dog in the video who is clearly in fear, common sense should tell you to stop at that point.
[QUOTE=matt000024;51692712]Dogs are afraid of baths too. Does that mean we should stop cleaning them? Although it did look a bit dangerous, there were multiple people on standby throughout the entire thing and the dog was almost definitely fine or else they wouldn't have cut the video there to make it seem like the dog was harmed.[/QUOTE]
They don't care about the dog. They deliberately threw a scared animal into a situation it was not even remotely prepared for or capable of surviving in. Baths are an entirely different situation and I don't know why people keep bringing up a domestic tub that holds still, clear water up to a whopping twelve inches high. The dog will be in the tub and will be fine because they understand that it is not a dangerous situation- this dog was held over deep rushing water against its will. Dogs can suffer from PTSD from stressful situations such as this one.
Perhaps they did care about saving the dog physically, but certainly not mentally.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51694467]if someone here posts about animals being able to consent I'm going to donkey punch them in their fucking throat[/QUOTE]
well, you're simply wrong
[QUOTE=_Chewgum;51695060]well, you're simply wrong[/QUOTE]
what the fuck
did you actually just unironically call out my post referencing animals not being able to consent to sex as wrong, or did the context escape you
[QUOTE=Ithon;51692698]for people stating they should had gone with cgi, cgi for this would look like garbage compared to the real thing also depending the realism can be really expensive more so then the set. Bad cgi is a make or break with a movie. With that said, they fucked up so bad no wonder this is in january.[/QUOTE]
I'd go with fucking seinfieldspitstain tier CGI over a dog getting subjected to shit like this.
[editline]19th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=TCB;51694067]when have TMZ ever been held accountable for editorializing shit for the sake of causing some sorta drama[/QUOTE]
Watch the raw footage you binging basket case
[editline]19th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;51694549]imo at most, from the video, the dog was being goaded in, not being forced in. And if the production companies story is true, it only had trouble ONCE ever and it wasn't even on the same day.
Animals don't sign up for this stuff, but neither do horses to being ridden (and raced, with the potential of injury and death, the same here, (Albeit less so)) and many other animals. Honestly if you think this is wrong you should hate that stuff, too.[/QUOTE]
The dogs are being kept outside with poor shelter, no bedding or insulation or anything. The dogs in A dogs purpose are being treated like shit and the movie needs to fucking bomb.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;51695125]
The dogs are being kept outside with poor shelter, no bedding or insulation or anything. The dogs in A dogs purpose are being treated like shit and the movie needs to fucking bomb.[/QUOTE]
It's actually pretty ironic that the main stars of this movie are being treated this badly, if you think about it.
[editline]19th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;51694549]Animals don't sign up for this stuff, but neither do horses to being ridden (and raced, with the potential of injury and death, the same here, (Albeit less so)) and many other animals. Honestly if you think this is wrong you should hate that stuff, too.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, maybe I should.
It is sad to have behind-the-scenes negatively impact perception of a movie. Now, I have yet to watch it so I can't comment on it, but I wouldn't dismiss a potential good movie (whereby reviews are now incredibly unreliable due to outcry) just because it might have questionable methods to get animals to cooperate, in which we are hearing both sides of superficial argument based on an edited video.
This is starting to feel like debating on veganism, but gotten way more attention because it regards men's best friends.
Was going to go see this movie too, I love animal movies :(
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;51695125]
The dogs are being kept outside with poor shelter, no bedding or insulation or anything. The dogs in A dogs purpose are being treated like shit and the movie needs to fucking bomb.[/QUOTE]
Do you have a source for this claim? I haven't seen any article mentioning this.
I don't have a strong opinion on whether or not what was shown in the video was terrible, if the dogs are treated poorly then I'd see no reason to support their movie by seeing it (if that's your thing, I probably wasn't going to see this one anyway lol)
It kinda looks like the dog is drowning at the end there, but the camera footage could have been cut by a company that benefits from public outrage, COUGH TMZ COUGH. But I wouldn't witch hunt too hard over this, if that's the dogs trainer-which is a job people don't chose because they intend to harm dogs- then he probably knows more about the animal then anyone on the internet does. I know most sane people in western culture don't appreciate domestic animals being harmed, but I know for a fact that my dog will give me a thousand yard Vietnam stare when I bathe it so it. I guess what I am trying to get at is if seeing a dog in distress bothers people so much they should donate money to shelters instead of giving this too much attention.
And at the end of the day the dog is fine :v:
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;51695357]Was going to go see this movie too, I love animal movies :(
Do you have a source for this claim? I haven't seen any article mentioning this.[/QUOTE]
Read the article that exposed it. I don't trust PETA at all but considering the footage I find the claim believeable.
Just gonna repost this here
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6t7DVTH.png?1[/IMG]
Yet again, this is just some random post from tumblr, so take it with a grain of salt, but it's also something to take into consideration.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;51696061]
Yet again, this is just some random post from tumblr, so take it with a grain of salt, but it's also something to take into consideration.[/QUOTE]
TBH i'd rather trust a random tumblr post than a tabloid.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;51696066]TBH i'd rather trust a random tumblr post than a tabloid.[/QUOTE]
And i'd trust the video more than either.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51696072]And i'd trust the video more than either.[/QUOTE]
Did you read the tumblr post?
A video intentionally cut by TMZ. While I don't think the trainers helped the dog adjust to the water, it's obvious TMZ cut the video explicitly to make viewers assume the dog was forced into the water resulting in the accident in the second portion when there is no clear correlation between the two. If the video was raw and lengthy, it would be a more legitimate source.
TMZ is the last source I'd trust for anything like this. All they want to do is find or cause drama so their rag can make easy money
[QUOTE=Noob4life;51695347]It is sad to have behind-the-scenes negatively impact perception of a movie. Now, I have yet to watch it so I can't comment on it, but I wouldn't dismiss a potential good movie (whereby reviews are now incredibly unreliable due to outcry) just because it might have questionable methods to get animals to cooperate, in which we are hearing both sides of superficial argument based on an edited video.
This is starting to feel like debating on veganism, but gotten way more attention because it regards men's best friends.[/QUOTE]
The willful suspension of disbelief necessary to enjoy a film of any sort can get irreparably damaged in circumstances such as these.
It's ultimately up to each individual's experience but for a lot of people when something criminal or fishy gets involved behind the scenes then it reflects on their ability to enjoy the film. Even if it turns out to be exaggerated, misinterpreted or otherwise bullshit.
I think it's less of an argument that it was abuse and more of an argument that the dog was clearly unhappy and probably at least a little scared.
I like to live in a flowery marshmallow rainbow idealist little bubble where I think no dog should ever be unhappy, so I'm probably the least qualified to weigh in on if the conduct was acceptable or not. If it were up to me to choose between animal movies or happy animals, I'd pick happy animals any day.
Personally I think putting a dog in a situation where it's in danger of drowning (being surrounded by professionals that act quickly doesn't make it "not dangerous", it just manages the danger and risks involved) is idiotic for something like a film.
Yes, the animal trainer was doing his job by calming the dog. Yes, they pulled him out when he started to get thrown under the current and couldn't get back out by himself. This doesn't really undo the fact they put a dog into strong currents (which the dog had difficulties actually swimming against and ended up going under before people visibly pulled it out) to create entertainment down the line.
That tumblr post from the behaviorist is also not talking about the aftermath, which I find a bit fishy coming from the guy - not that I doubt his professionalism or something, but if a dog (of a breed that's not particularly known as swimmers either) gets put in this situation, gets close to drowning and is then pulled out, I have doubts as to whether it would be just fine like nothing happened. What about the dog's trust in the trainer, or people in general ?
So yes, while the TMZ video is super manipulative and has some suspiciously convenient editing, it being TMZ and the dog trainer doing his job doesn't mean the situation itself wasn't bad to begin with.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51696193]Personally I think putting a dog in a situation where it's in danger of drowning (being surrounded by professionals that act quickly doesn't make it "not dangerous", it just manages the danger and risks involved) is idiotic for something like a film.
Yes, the animal trainer was doing his job by calming the dog. Yes, they pulled him out when he started to get thrown under the current and couldn't get back out by himself. This doesn't really undo the fact they put a dog into strong currents (which the dog had difficulties actually swimming against and ended up going under before people visibly pulled it out) to create entertainment down the line.
That tumblr post from the behaviorist is also not talking about the aftermath, which I find a bit fishy coming from the guy - not that I doubt his professionalism or something, but if a dog (of a breed that's not particularly known as swimmers either) gets put in this situation, gets close to drowning and is then pulled out, I have doubts as to whether it would be just fine like nothing happened. What about the dog's trust in the trainer, or people in general ?
So yes, while the TMZ video is super manipulative and has some suspiciously convenient editing, it being TMZ and the dog trainer doing his job doesn't mean the situation itself wasn't bad to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the [I]scary[/I] world of movies featuring real animal protagonists with almost no CGI, where anything horrible could happen on set if you're not careful. Even if you have professionals handling the situation and other professionals watching and reevaluating the scenario there can be cases like this. Usually dogs that appear on movies are specifically trained to handle dangerous scenarios in films, and most of these dangerous scenarios could appear on any scene of any average talking animal movie. People call this "Stunts". There have been cases of people dying and almost dying on movie sets because of accidents while doing stunts or because they weren't that careful in dangerous situations. It's the risk where actors and body doubles take (and accept) to make a good performance out of their jobs.
Dogs are often more hard to train in movie sets and there are moments where it can be dangerous for them just like how it can be dangerous for actors to work in movie sets. I'm taking this TMZ article with a grain of salt purely of how they edit the supposed "forced into vapid water" scene and make out of it. At this point with how TMZ is I won't be able to judge for myself if the dog was actually forced or if an accident happened.
If you see AMBLIN's statement, they mention "There were several days of rehearsal of the water scenes to ensure Hercules (the German Shepherd) was comfortable with all of the stunts.". I find that hardly to be forcing an animal and more of a fuck up regarding a stunt, something almost every movie does on set if they can't use CGI on what can be multiple reasons.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51695074]what the fuck
did you actually just unironically call out my post referencing animals not being able to consent to sex as wrong, or did the context escape you[/QUOTE]
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