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[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34202580]Typical itt. Atheists saying "fuck that guy" calling him a "retard" and saying his point is "bullshit". I'm Christian. But that doesn't mean I'd ever disrespect [I]YOUR[/I] views on life. Atheists often associate themselves with logic, but all I see is pointless hatred and belittling of people that have different perspectives than you do. Oh and pretentious people who think they're smarter than someone else just because they don't believe in a God.[/QUOTE] Have you seen the amazing atheist video? It's posted up there, I suggest you watch it he makes great points about this video and Christianity/Religion itself.
[QUOTE=Shazmind;34202214]TAA Is a giant cunt and you are all idiots for being childish puppets of him [editline]14th January 2012[/editline] Also grow up.. If you claim to HATE theists then I can see through your 14 year old nieve ass, this coming from an agnostic person.[/QUOTE] All this guy is using is fancy video effects and angles to suck people in I admit their are some good points he suggested but most of them were just stupid.
[QUOTE=Dah-thla;34203592]Have you seen the amazing atheist video? It's posted up there, I suggest you watch it he makes great points about this video and Christianity/Religion itself.[/QUOTE] When the poet is referring to Jesus's abolishment of religion it isn't meant to be put into literal context. The idea he's trying to convey throughout the entire video is that Christianity is truth where as religion is of worldly heritage. TheAmazingAthiests response to that point is trivial because he takes the poets statement out of the context it was meant to be understood in. The whole idea of the poem is that Christianity its purist form is not like religion which can be manipulated by man for things such as war or the creation of malicious things. When he starts talking about suffering and burning for all time and being beaten is another misconception. When the poet was talking about what we deserved he was talking about sins and the lack of order that man had without following God's rules and not accepting his teachings for a life of corruption. Which of course would result in damnation. I love how he demonizes God for allowing people to burn in hell, yet negates the fact that there is a way out of it through him. What's the point of hating a religion with rules like that? We all have a sense of good and bad just like countries and governments allow people to rot in cell's for the rest of their lives. What kind of authority would God be without order? So why go on about this point that Christianity or Jesus vs. Religion is so horrible because of punishment. And then he goes on about the concept of Jesus thinking about YOU. Why does the AmazingAthiest feel the need to pull every concept to the extreme? The logical thing to understand would be that Jesus was thinking about the past sinners , present sinners, and future sinners. Not each individually. He was thinking about what he was dying for and why he needed to. To whine about him not actually thinking about everyone individually and to make satire of that idea is pointless. And Mathew 10:34? The typical weapon against a Christian who is uneducated as when Jesus spoke of peace how could he solve it? Although he was divinity was still a man and to bring peace to a world of sin would be impossible. (Salvation is different) Christian teachings are to offer peace in the midst of conflict. When he speaks of "a sword" and going "against" family members the verse is speaking of the consequence of being obedient to the command of Jesus that we are to preach his message. Some will listen and accept it but many will reject it and react violently. Many will be hated for the message of repentance that Christians have to bring. Christians will be hated because we call people from evil to light and because this message exposes their evil deeds. [B]For many it will mean that even our own family will turn against us.[/B] The sword is a repestation of division against good and evil. Truth and error. Darkness and light. The sword will apply to those who suffer because of his teachings not one to be used physically against anyone. The fellowship of believers, while full of peace, incurs the wrath of the nonbelievers. Christians are gathering peacefully, yet are persecuted.
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902]When the poet is referring to Jesus's abolishment of religion it isn't meant to be put into literal context. The idea he's trying to convey throughout the entire video is that Christianity is truth where as religion is of worldly heritage. TheAmazingAthiests response to that point is trivial because he takes the poets statement out of the context it was meant to be understood in. The whole idea of the poem is that Christianity its purist form is not like religion which can be manipulated by man for things such as war or the creation of malicious things. When he starts talking about suffering and burning for all time and being beaten is another misconception. When the poet was talking about what we deserved he was talking about sins and the lack of order that man had without following God's rules and not accepting his teachings for a life of corruption. Which of course would result in damnation. I love how he demonizes God for allowing people to burn in hell, yet negates the fact that there is a way out of it through him. What's the point of hating a religion with rules like that? We all have a sense of good and bad just like countries and governments allow people to rot in cell's for the rest of their lives. What kind of authority would God be without order? So why go on about this point that Christianity or Jesus vs. Religion is so horrible because of punishment. And then he goes on about the concept of Jesus thinking about YOU. Why does the AmazingAthiest feel the need to pull every concept to the extreme? The logical thing to understand would be that Jesus was thinking about the past sinners , present sinners, and future sinners. Not each individually. He was thinking about what he was dying for and why he needed to. To whine about him not actually thinking about everyone individually and to make satire of that idea is pointless. And Mathew 10:34? The typical weapon against a Christian who is uneducated as when Jesus spoke of peace how could he solve it? Although he was divinity was still a man and to bring peace to a world of sin would be impossible. (Salvation is different) Christian teachings are to offer peace in the midst of conflict. When he speaks of "a sword" and going "against" family members the verse is speaking of the consequence of being obedient to the command of Jesus that we are to preach his message. Some will listen and accept it but many will reject it and react violently. Many will be hated for the message of repentance that Christians have to bring. Christians will be hated because we call people from evil to light and because this message exposes their evil deeds. [B]For many it will mean that even our own family will turn against us.[/B] The sword is a repestation of division against good and evil. Truth and error. Darkness and light. The sword will apply to those who suffer because of his teachings not one to be used physically against anyone. The fellowship of believers, while full of peace, incurs the wrath of the nonbelievers. Christians are gathering peacefully, yet are persecuted.[/QUOTE] i showed your post to my friend and neither of us could stop laughing
[QUOTE=Funion;34204965]i showed your post to my friend and neither of us could stop laughing[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug001.gif[/IMG] You so silly.
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902]When the poet is referring to Jesus's abolishment of religion it isn't meant to be put into literal context.[/QUOTE] That's that the preacher says when someone points out a contradiction in his favorite book. You can't just say "not literally". That's way too generic. Give me specifics on what way it [b]should[/b] be interpreted, rather than "not literally" [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902]The idea he's trying to convey throughout the entire video is that Christianity is truth where as religion is of worldly heritage.[/quote] That would be a message you would have to support with arguments. [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902]TheAmazingAthiests response to that point is trivial because he takes the poets statement out of the context it was meant to be understood in. The whole idea of the poem is that Christianity its purist form is not like religion which can be manipulated by man for things such as war or the creation of malicious things. [/quote] Christianity in its core is religion as it simply fits the description of the term religion. Religion is the cause of many atrocities. Christianity is the cause of many atrocities. You cannot cut Christianity down to a form that is not prone to committing atrocities, as it is a religion in its core. [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902] When he starts talking about suffering and burning for all time and being beaten is another misconception. When the poet was talking about what we deserved he was talking about sins and the lack of order that man had without following God's rules and not accepting his teachings for a life of corruption. Which of course would result in damnation. [/quote] TAA's point would still be valid. This form of torture, regardless of who it is applied to, is unethical. [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902] I love how he demonizes God for allowing people to burn in hell, yet negates the fact that there is a way out of it through him.[/quote] There being a way out does not contradict God allowing people to burn in hell. It implies a form of blackmailing the way you state it. "You could go burn in hell, but there is a way out if you are a christian and you believe in God" [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902] What's the point of hating a religion with rules like that? We all have a sense of good and bad just like countries and governments allow people to rot in cell's for the rest of their lives. [/quote] Governments allow people to rot in cells for the rest of their lives because they have no means of preventing crimes. It's an afterwards punishment. An omnipotent creature, such as God, would have this power. The punishment of hell is ridiculous when you have a God that both caused it (indirectly) and could have prevented it. By caused I mean he supposedly made everything, made sin, made hu [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902]What kind of authority would God be without order? So why go on about this point that Christianity or Jesus vs. Religion is so horrible because of punishment. [/quote] The point being made is Jesus = religion not Jesus vs religion [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902]And then he goes on about the concept of Jesus thinking about YOU. Why does the AmazingAthiest feel the need to pull every concept to the extreme? The logical thing to understand would be that Jesus was thinking about the past sinners , present sinners, and future sinners. Not each individually. He was thinking about what he was dying for and why he needed to. To whine about him not actually thinking about everyone individually and to make satire of that idea is pointless. [/quote] That's what he does. [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902] And Mathew 10:34? The typical weapon against a Christian who is uneducated as when Jesus spoke of peace how could he solve it? Although he was divinity was still a man and to bring peace to a world of sin would be impossible. (Salvation is different) Christian teachings are to offer peace in the midst of conflict. [/quote] The point is that Jesus gives a sword, asking people to rebel. This directly contradicts speaking of peace. [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902] When he speaks of "a sword" and going "against" family members the verse is speaking of the consequence of being obedient to the command of Jesus that we are to preach his message. Some will listen and accept it but many will reject it and react violently. Many will be hated for the message of repentance that Christians have to bring. Christians will be hated because we call people from evil to light and because this message exposes their evil deeds. [B]For many it will mean that even our own family will turn against us.[/B][/quote] You can't read. The verse is telling the people to turn against their family. Not that the family could turn against [i]them[/i]. Can you see the difference between a call to rebel and the message that you might be opressed? [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902] The sword is a repestation of division against good and evil. Truth and error. Darkness and light. The sword will apply to those who suffer because of his teachings not one to be used physically against anyone.[/quote] If the verse says "I came not to send peace, but a sword." it implies that the sword is the opposite of peace. You're pulling the "Truth and error", "Good and evil" out of your arse. It doesn't say "Good and evil". It says "not to send peace, but a sword" and "For I am come to `set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.'" He literally asks you to rebel. [b]the sword is symbol for the rebellion, it explains that the very next sentence[/b]. [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34203902] The fellowship of believers, while full of peace, incurs the wrath of the nonbelievers. Christians are gathering peacefully, yet are persecuted.[/QUOTE] You sound like Rick Fucking Perry who is not ashamed to admit that he's a christian. Edit: holy shit long post. [editline]14th January 2012[/editline] Look at the brilliant response Dr. Desciple sent me in a personal message: [img]http://i.imgur.com/oX8P0.png[/img] Grow some skin. You're disregarding my entire post based on the fact that I insulted you. Now you're accusing me of having an improper discussion. You're patronizing me by saying I am not worthy of your time and saying I can't hold a proper discussion. Patronizing me can be seen as an insult. By your logic, that would make [b]you[/b] incapable of improper discussion yourself. :v: [b]Edit:[/b] The guy has just gone insane. He sent me a PM with the title "Why you so salty". It has pictures of crosses in it.
[QUOTE=FPtje;34205405] Look at the brilliant response Dr. Desciple sent me in a personal message: [img]http://i.imgur.com/oX8P0.png[/img] Grow some skin. You're disregarding my entire post based on the fact that I insulted you. Now you're accusing me of having an improper discussion. You're patronizing me by saying I am not worthy of your time and saying I can't hold a proper discussion. Patronizing me can be seen as an insult. By your logic, that would make [b]you[/b] incapable of improper discussion yourself. :v:[/QUOTE] Anyone who insults someone during a discussion is without class and respect. You don't see world class debates being held with impudent and offensive comments. I was trying to keep the discussion on topic and "flam free" and I even respected the other point of view without any [B]insults.[/B] Yet it makes me giggle at the fact that you'd go through the trouble of screencaping my picture, saving it, then uploading it a pointless thread all in efforts to say "hey look at this stupid christian's inability to respond to my post because i gave him a little excuse from my insult" and try to deflect my comments by saying your being [B]patronized [/B]. I'm sorry but your not being patronized, your simply being [B]ignored [/B]by someone who has enough intelligence to know they shouldn't continue (what was supposed to be) an intelligent conversation with someone about religion on the internet when they begin to insult you.
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34206068]Anyone who insults someone during a discussion is without class and respect.[/QUOTE] The insults aren't empty insults. They are insults as a conclusion of a long post. You still hit yourself here though. That very sentence is an insult. [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34206068]You don't see world class debates being held with impudent and offensive comments.[/QUOTE] That's right. You don't. Do you consider a vido discussion on facepunch to be a world class debate? [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34206068] I was trying to keep the discussion on topic and "flam free" and I even respected the other point of view without any [B]insults.[/B] Yet it makes me giggle at the fact that you'd go through the trouble of screencaping my picture, saving it, then uploading it a pointless thread all in efforts to say "hey look at this stupid christian's inability to respond to my post because i gave him a little excuse from my insult" and try to deflect my comments by saying your being [B]patronized [/B].[/QUOTE] Well your replies to my post were pretty bad. Especially the 'Y U SO SALTY' message. So I don't think you were trying to keep it flame free. Giggle all you want at me posting a screenshot of you going insane. It shows the rest of the forum who we're dealing with. I never said nor implied that your replies to my post have anything to do with you being a Christian. [QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34206068] I'm sorry but your not being patronized, your simply being [B]ignored [/B]by someone who has enough intelligence to know they shouldn't continue (what was supposed to be) an intelligent conversation with someone about religion on the internet when they begin to insult you.[/QUOTE] With that you're saying directly that you're more intelligent than me because I inulted, but that you're not patronizing me. I'll admit though. Maybe the part where I said "You're the typical Christian..." was a bit out of line. Sorry for that. I will edit it out.
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;34202580]Typical itt. Atheists saying "fuck that guy" calling him a "retard" and saying his point is "bullshit". I'm Christian. But that doesn't mean I'd ever disrespect [I]YOUR[/I] views on life. Atheists often associate themselves with logic, but all I see is pointless hatred and belittling of people that have different perspectives than you do. Oh and pretentious people who think they're smarter than someone else just because they don't believe in a God.[/QUOTE] Saying "fuck that guy" and calling him a retard is going too far, but I think it's fair to say that his point is bullshit, or to put it more lightly, fundamentally flawed. I applaud him for speaking out against the evils of organized religion, but TAA's points are correct. I don't necessarily think his delivery style is the best for pointing this out, but you can't cry foul when people point out the problems in an argument. Also, regarding your other post, you can't expect your beliefs to be exempt from any criticism whatsoever. The idea of everlasting torture can't be glossed over by saying God requires order, no matter how you twist it. You can't say that we're all evil sinners who reject Jesus because we love our sin so much without expecting some form of rebuttal. Do I reject Jesus because I don't like being told that I'm sinning? No, I reject Jesus because there's no evidence whatsoever that his religion has any validity at all. EDIT: Just realized there's a thread about this on Mass Debate. I guess everyone should take it over there.
lol dr disciple is that you rapping at that soundcloud link this really increases the humor in your posts
TBH, in history jesus wasent a bad dude, the things he did was a little stretched but he wasn't bad.
Can anyone please explain why when TAA posts a video criticizing some dudes "arguments" on religion he gets called an asshole, bigoted and arrogant. Or that he's "sure he has all the answers" but the dude who made the religious video who clearly has an extremely arrogant and self-important personality, not only that but he acts as if he has the 'true' Christianity and everyone else is just "wearing football shirts" as he aptly puts it. I mean wow what a flaming-egotistical douchebag Somehow that religious guy is exempt from said criticism because his arguments fall under religious purview. Does nobody else see the irony. Don't get me wrong I don't like TAA either, I feel he's too arrogant, it seems his views against religion seem to be fueled from a sort of pretentious perspective rather from actual genuine consideration of the problems, in other-words I feel like he tries to hard to put out his whole 'Atheism' thing rather then seeming to have an actual issue with the problems at hand. Though if someone makes a good point or is being clearly rational I don't really care where it comes from. Still this double standard really ticks me off.
[QUOTE=Drax-Quin;34213088]Can anyone please explain why when TAA posts a video criticizing some dudes "arguments" on religion he gets called an asshole, bigoted and arrogant. Or that he's "sure he has all the answers" but the dude who made the religious video who clearly has an extremely arrogant and self-important personality, not only that but he acts as if he has the 'true' Christianity and everyone else is just "wearing football shirts" as he aptly puts it. I mean wow what a flaming-egotistical douchebag Somehow that religious guy is exempt from said criticism because his arguments fall under religious purview. Does nobody else see the irony. Don't get me wrong I don't like TAA either, I feel he's too arrogant, it seems his views against religion seem to be fueled from a sort of pretentious perspective rather from actual genuine consideration. Though if someone makes a good point or is being clearly rational I don't really care where it comes from. Still this double standard really ticks me off.[/QUOTE] Welcome to arguing with the religious may I take your coat.
[QUOTE=ZF911;34172313]That is why I don't like so many "religious" people. If you believe in Christianity, you are missing the entire point if you spend your time trying to be better than everyone else. My Church and Pastor thankfully have a good grasp on this concept. His basic statement is this: "Christians are not good people, and Atheists are not bad people. Everyone is a sinner and the punishment is death(hell). According to the Bible, Jesus was a sacrifice that offered free forgiveness to all, no matter what." The one difference between a Christian and an Atheist according to my pastor is this: "Christians are forgiven, and atheists are unforgiven." They are only unforgiven because they have not accepted the sacrifice. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to preach to you guys, I'm just saying if you have a faith, it's better to believe in the core concept and not the outward structure of society. I am 100% supportive of freedom of religion, the rights of gay marriage, and being pro-choice. I just know if more churches were like the one I go to, Christians wouldn't have such a bad reputation.[/QUOTE] Hey it's nice to see a friendly religious person and all it just makes me laugh that you spoke about your pastor stating "Atheists are not bad" and "Christians are not good", and this got you tons of friendly rating's but somehow you still mentioned the eternal suffering and torture of a large sect of the human population at the same time and that was also I guess considered friendly, how do you do it? I just don't get it, taking an outsider's perspective I can't for a minute see why no one is disgusted when someone can claim "everyone is a sinner and the punishment is hell" as the ultimate goal for the vastly complex universe. I mean it doesn't make any sense to me, call me alien to the whole issue but when I hear "unforgiven" and "they have not accepted the sacrifice" not only do I hear really weird archaic scary religious stuff I also hear Atheists are bad people, it seems your pastor says one thing and in the following sentences completely contradicts it. I mean if we're not bad people why does god give a shit? Surely a more apt test would be to judge a human based on his character, not on some silly nonsense like what x religion is right, or which of y denomination of said religion is true out of that smaller range. The whole idea of God creating the universe purely for some selfish vindictive test, purely for the purpose of sticking x amount of people in heaven and y amount of people in hell doesn't strike anybody else as absolutely insane and illogical even if we were to take the premise of a god existing as a given. What does this 'God' being seek to gain from this arrangement of billions suffering exactly? Or for that matter what does he receive from the worship of a small miniscule group of apes on one planet in the vast expanse of the universe? Which he ultimately created any way :rolleye: It makes me wonder is it your God saying Atheists aren't bad? Or is that your pastor and implicitly yourself? The same applies to your views on homosexuality and freedom of religion, Leviticus 18:22 does state that homosexuality is an abomination. Also I don't mind to impose but if you weren't here to preach you wouldn't have expressed what your pastor explicitly stated and your own views on it.
Hey guys just coming back to check up on this threa- whoah fuck im outta here
Sorry might cause a shitstorm just can't allow bullshit to go un-bullshitified. Yes I just made that word up.
[QUOTE=Drax-Quin;34213735]Sorry might cause a shitstorm just can't allow bullshit to go un-bullshitified. Yes I just made that word up.[/QUOTE] You made a very good argument. I don't think it will start a flame war.
[QUOTE=Drax-Quin;34213551]Hey it's nice to see a friendly religious person and all it just makes me laugh that you spoke about your pastor stating "Atheists are not bad" and "Christians are not good", and this got you tons of friendly rating's but somehow you still mentioned the eternal suffering and torture of a large sect of the human population at the same time and that was also I guess considered friendly, how do you do it? I just don't get it, taking an outsider's perspective I can't for a minute see why no one is disgusted when someone can claim "everyone is a sinner and the punishment is hell" as the ultimate goal for the vastly complex universe. I mean it doesn't make any sense to me, call me alien to the whole issue but when I hear "unforgiven" and "they have not accepted the sacrifice" not only do I hear really weird archaic scary religious stuff I also hear Atheists are bad people, it seems your pastor says one thing and in the following sentences completely contradicts it. I mean if we're not bad people why does god give a shit? Surely a more apt test would be to judge a human based on his character, not on some silly nonsense like what x religion is right, or which of y denomination of said religion is true out of that smaller range. The whole idea of God creating the universe purely for some selfish vindictive test, purely for the purpose of sticking x amount of people in heaven and y amount of people in hell doesn't strike anybody else as absolutely insane and illogical even if we were to take the premise of a god existing as a given. What does this 'God' being seek to gain from this arrangement of billions suffering exactly? Or for that matter what does he receive from the worship of a small miniscule group of apes on one planet in the vast expanse of the universe? Which he ultimately created any way :rolleye: It makes me wonder is it your God saying Atheists aren't bad? Or is that your pastor and implicitly yourself? The same applies to your views on homosexuality and freedom of religion, Leviticus 18:22 does state that homosexuality is an abomination. Also I don't mind to impose but if you weren't here to preach you wouldn't have expressed what your pastor explicitly stated and your own views on it.[/QUOTE] The concept of Hell, ironically fabricated by organized religion to scare people into accepting their method of control, is the primary reason that drives me to despise the concept as a whole. The idea that this all powerful, all knowing deity with the power to create or destroy all that is, was, or will be so vindictively and cruelly torments his creations is simply not logical.
[QUOTE=Shazmind;34202214]TAA Is a giant cunt and you are all idiots for being childish puppets of him [editline]14th January 2012[/editline] Also grow up.. If you claim to HATE theists then I can see through your 14 year old nieve ass, this coming from an agnostic person.[/QUOTE] Oh man you're so cool because you're agnostic. Watch out everyone, this guy's an agnostic. You don't wanna mess with him.
It's almost frightening to see some of Facepunch's views towards religion. To those I am referring to: I seriously hope you are never in any position of real power. Your intolerance and bigotry, not to mention your arrogance, is absolutely abhorrent. You claim that Christians and other religious people persecute you, but when you bunch up with all your buddies, you circlejerk over who can hate theists the most. Your actions hypocritical and only serve to strengthen the divide that can be present between theists and atheists. Why don't you try to be the bigger man and respect the beliefs of other people? Or is that just too difficult for you? [editline]15th January 2012[/editline] I have never, [B]ever[/B] tried to push my religious beliefs on a single person. Yet on Facepunch I see atheists constantly berating theists for their beliefs. It is disgusting.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34220936]It's almost frightening to see some of Facepunch's views towards religion. To those I am referring to: I seriously hope you are never in any position of real power. Your intolerance and bigotry, not to mention your arrogance, is absolutely abhorrent. You claim that Christians and other religious people persecute you, but when you bunch up with all your buddies, you circlejerk over who can hate theists the most. Your actions hypocritical and only serve to strengthen the divide that can be present between theists and atheists. Why don't you try to be the bigger man and respect the beliefs of other people? Or is that just too difficult for you? [editline]15th January 2012[/editline] I have never, [B]ever[/B] tried to push my religious beliefs on a single person. Yet on Facepunch I see atheists constantly berating theists for their beliefs. It is disgusting.[/QUOTE] What exempts religious beliefs from criticism? Most of us aren't attacking anyone. We're simply criticizing the beliefs presented in the video. If someone came here talking about how great some game or political party was, we wouldn't sit back and refuse to discuss anything in case we hurt their feelings.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34220936]It's almost frightening to see some of Facepunch's views towards religion. To those I am referring to: I seriously hope you are never in any position of real power.[/quote] Many facepunchers have a strong opinion against religion. But it's not like we would send religious people to death chambers if we were to be in power. [QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34220936] Your intolerance and bigotry, not to mention your arrogance, is absolutely abhorrent. You claim that Christians and other religious people persecute you, but when you bunch up with all your buddies, you circlejerk over who can hate theists the most.[/quote] Do we claim to be persecuted? Last person I saw mentioning persecution was that Dr.disciple guy, who is a Christian. You depict this discussion as a game of "who can hate the most". This is ridiculous. You're going to have to live with the fact that there are people on facepunch that don't like religion as much as you do. It's not like we're working together to bash Christians. Many of us just share an opinion. I haven't seen any bashing that was done in cooperation. [QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34220936] Your actions hypocritical and only serve to strengthen the divide that can be present between theists and atheists.[/quote] You're saying that we only want polarization, which is bullshit. We just want to express our opinions. [QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34220936] Why don't you try to be the bigger man and respect the beliefs of other people? Or is that just too difficult for you?[/quote] Oh yes it's really difficult to [i]not[/i] speak out against religion. It is really difficult to shut up and say nothing when you disagree. It really requires you to man up to remain silent when spoken to! Bullshit. Speaking out is what we do. Deal with it. [QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34220936] [editline]15th January 2012[/editline] I have never, [B]ever[/B] tried to push my religious beliefs on a single person. Yet on Facepunch I see atheists constantly berating theists for their beliefs. It is disgusting.[/QUOTE] I doubt that you've never ever tried to push your religion. Even if you're right it would be irrelevant though. We criticize belief. You consider that disgusting. Well then in my turn I find you disgusting. You're implying that religion is in some way above criticism, that it is wrong to criticize religion. Let me tell you: it's not. Have a video about criticizing religion. Very relevant in this case: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyHI2foecLI[/media]
I'm going to try and refrain from flaming anybody, the OP's video is horrid, and the responses are beyond terrible. Its as if people are trying to understand one anothers belief. Which is fucking ridiculous. Its as though it were the equivalence of MLP fans to Soccer fans.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34220936]It's almost frightening to see some of Facepunch's views towards religion.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's frightening having to deal with your world view being challenged, I'm sure. [QUOTE]To those I am referring to: I seriously hope you are never in any position of real power. [/QUOTE] Don't worry, that's virtually impossible in America, where 80% of the country identifies themselves as some denomination of Christian and your chances of getting elected to higher offices is significantly less than a Christian or a Jew. [QUOTE] Your intolerance and bigotry, not to mention your arrogance, is absolutely abhorrent.[/QUOTE] And your persecution complex and sensitivity to criticism is both childish and undeserved. [QUOTE]You claim that Christians and other religious people persecute you, but when you bunch up with all your buddies, you circlejerk over who can hate theists the most. [/QUOTE] Logical, reasonable atheists criticize the faith and logic behind the faith, and not the people who believe in it. If you take an attack on your faith as a personal attack then that means your faith isn't strong enough to deflect criticism. [QUOTE]Your actions hypocritical and only serve to strengthen the divide that can be present between theists and atheists. [/QUOTE] You know what also strengthens the divide? Having Christians (Jewish, Muslims, etc) cry bigotry every time their ridiculously paper-thin faith is attacked. [QUOTE]Why don't you try to be the bigger man and respect the beliefs of other people? Or is that just too difficult for you?[/QUOTE] It's pretty difficult as a logical person to resist the urge to discuss the enormous logical fallacies that go into religion. Maybe if it wasn't forced upon my every day life and present from the lowest stations to the top of the American political system I'd care less. Until then, no thanks. I'll keep disrespecting beliefs I feel don't deserve my respect. Sorry I can't remain the silent minority and continue the status quo. I know it's inconvenient to meet people who disagree with you but hey, that's life. [QUOTE] I have never, [B]ever[/B] tried to push my religious beliefs on a single person. Yet on Facepunch I see atheists constantly berating theists for their beliefs. It is disgusting.[/QUOTE] I rarely see atheists outright insulting theists. What I do see is a good amount of discussion and criticism about an important aspect of society.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;34221179] Until then, no thanks. I'll keep disrespecting beliefs I feel don't deserve my respect. [/QUOTE] Y'know, I was nodding my head like, "yeah, ok.. Right," until you started boiling down to the dumb part of your post. I'm not going to call you an outright idiot for disrespecting others beliefs. But to solely disrespect anything because you truly believe it doesn't deserve your all mighty respect is laughable. Your post is both ironic, and funny.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34220936]"It's almost frightening to see some of Facepunch's views towards religion. Why don't you try to be the bigger man and respect the beliefs of other people? Or is that just too difficult for you? [/QUOTE] I skipped the rest of your post because I can answer everything with a simple question. In any other field of work, be it math or biology, when you say something, you have to back it up. It's called being in the grown up world. So when religious people say: "This super natural entity with the power to both destroy the universe (Thor, Shiva etc) and only by praying to it/sacrificing goats/don't eat meat/stone women can you save yourself!" You surely must be delusional if you think that people won't THINK for five seconds and give your hypothesis a doubt. It's part of the human nature to question things and so it has always been. I won't apologise for doing what I was brought up to do, think for myself and question things.
[QUOTE=Laferio;34221240]Y'know, I was nodding my head like, "yeah, ok.. Right," until you started boiling down to the dumb part of your post. I'm not going to call you an outright idiot for disrespecting others beliefs. But to solely disrespect anything because you truly believe it doesn't deserve your all mighty respect is laughable. Your post is both ironic, and funny.[/QUOTE] I refuse to respect a belief that sets out saying that we are all born into sin and that the only way to become better is to accept the illogical, hateful, spiteful, vindictive, childish, petulant, jealous deity written of in their "holy book". That said I can still respect religious [B]people[/B], and I can acknowledge the great things organized religion does for us as a society. It brings communities together and helps reach out to the lowest amongst us with charity (ostensibly). I have several religious friends, and we like to bicker and debate but what we never do is descend to this point where we simply aren't allowed to talk about the topic for fear of being labeled a bigot. If criticizing someones belief structure is bigotry then I wear the title proudly. It shows that I clearly found a weakpoint in someone's faith and instead of countering with an argument based on their experiences or studies, they resort to the easy way out with ad hominem attacks and character assassination. We don't respect the beliefs of Holocaust deniers, or the Greek Pantheon, or Scientologists, so why do we have to have respect for the religion that preaches hatemongering, slavery, and violence in the name of "faith"? [QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;34221358](Thor, Shiva etc) [/QUOTE] Wow, stop being such a bigot. What did the Norse ever do to you?
[QUOTE=Laferio;34221240]Y'know, I was nodding my head like, "yeah, ok.. Right," until you started boiling down to the dumb part of your post. I'm not going to call you an outright idiot for disrespecting others beliefs. But to solely disrespect anything because you truly believe it doesn't deserve your all mighty respect is laughable. Your post is both ironic, and funny.[/QUOTE] The reason for disrespect is not [i]feeling superiour[/i]. There are many reasons to criticize/disrespect religion. One of them being the many atrocities that have been committed in the name of God.
[QUOTE=FPtje;34221516]The reason for disrespect is not [i]feeling superiour[/i]. There are many reasons to criticize/disrespect religion. One of them being the many atrocities that have been committed in the name of God.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Qualitatively speaking far better men then me have existed or are around today that hold religious beliefs of all different ranges and commitments. I don't feel like I am a better person than those people, but I do think they put stock in a faith I don't have to respect and indeed don't.
I thought the video pretty much summed up my stance, which is why I didn't even bother watching it at first. But it doesn't. Let me clarify: I'm an atheist, but I take the Bible (or pretty much any religious book, though I haven't read any others to be honest) as fables. Well, fables usually have animals, but still. It's a collection of stories of a man who lived for the greater good and was pretty much the best person on the planet, selflessly helping those in need. No, I don't believe he turned water into wine because that's stupid, but I do believe that helping those in need is a good deed, and that forgiving your enemies is the way to be a good person. And above all, live and let live. Just my 2 cents.
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