I used to watch PewDiePie regularly. Always liked him. Thought he was sweet, especially when he was around his girlfriend and stuff. Just like any other content creator on YouTube, trying to be funny.
I feel like things have gotten way out of control for him. That's what fame does on a smaller scale, perhaps. Hell, doesn't he have people who manage his accounts for him? What's up with that?
About a year ago I felt like he wasn't enjoying himself anymore, and I felt like he was handling his fame very recklessly and irresponsibly. Was sad to witness that.
In a way, I'm glad this has happened. I want him to be more careful. There's no need for people to joke about rape and war. It's just so dumb and disrespectful. PewDiePie has a young audience, and I feel like he should be using his outlet to make people smile and think about things that really matter. That's what I feel like every artist (if that's what his line of work could be described as in any way) has an obligation to do.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878139][url]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2627242/pewdiepie-speaks-out-after-victims-of-death-to-all-jews-prank-get-the-boot-from-cash-for-jobs-website/[/url][/QUOTE]
They also got them back
[QUOTE=C0linSSX;51878136]I wonder if anyone who got offended over PewDiePie's jew joke is actually Jewish (ignoring the fact that it was at Keemstar's expense)[/QUOTE]
I know Ethan, who is Jewish, who's friends with him, wasnt and defended him.
Nobody seems keen to mentions that.
[QUOTE=bdd458;51878162]They also got them back[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878120]and serving my sentence for it doesn't magically make me a good person[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878120]Intent is substanceless in cases like these. He performed an action, and that action had consequences - serious ones. That fact, coupled with the action being morally dubious in the first place, is completely damning. If I unintentionally run over someone while being stupid in my car, I never intended to hurt him, but I still hurt him, and serving my sentence for it doesn't magically make me a good person.
:science101:[/QUOTE]
"Morally dubious" Please just stop.
And fuck me, are you seriously comparing running someone the fuck over with a mutli-ton metal object at high speeds to words at the expense of a notorious gnome?
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878120]Consider this: If he'd decided on say, something like "9/11 was an inside job," it would have been sensational, gotten his point across, wouldn't have cost two impoverished people their job, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Instead, he picked a dumb racist remark that could easily be construed without context as hate speech. Which it did. Shocker.
In finality, though, all I can think of is, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." You'd think someone with a million followers would pick what they say or do a little more carefully.[/QUOTE]
Consider for a moment that he's a comedian and he made an obvious joke with a clear punchline to accentuate the point he was making.
Its that uh...
Well whats the word...
What do you call an event changing meaning and interpretation based off of a situational understanding of why it occurred again? Starts with a C i think.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878139][url]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2627242/pewdiepie-speaks-out-after-victims-of-death-to-all-jews-prank-get-the-boot-from-cash-for-jobs-website/[/url][/QUOTE]
And they have since been reinstated can you be more disingenuous
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878120]Intent is substanceless in cases like these. He performed an action, and that action had consequences - serious ones. That fact, coupled with the action being morally dubious in the first place, is completely damning. If I unintentionally run over someone while being stupid in my car, I never intended to hurt him, but I still hurt him, and serving my sentence for it doesn't magically make me a good person.
:science101:
Consider this: If he'd decided on say, something like "9/11 was an inside job," it would have been sensational, gotten his point across, wouldn't have cost two impoverished people their job, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Instead, he picked a dumb racist remark.
In finality, though, all I can think of is, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."[/QUOTE]
you're comparing someone getting temporarily banned from fiverr to running someone over, something that usually has long term, if not permanent, consequences, like broken bones, paralyzed body parts, or [B]death[/B]. you can reverse a ban from fiverr (which he help did), but you can't fix death, amigo. you see the problem with this comparison, yeah?
also, little fun piece of trivia- did you know the fiverr guys got a lot more traffic and orders than they usually get as a result from being shown on pewd's channel? so not only were the consequences reversed, but they actually ended up benefiting from it all.
and did you even watch the original video? the joke was that it was supposed to be something morally bankrupt and that if you support it you should subscribe to keemstar, who's a horrible person. "9/11 is an inside job" isn't as morally horrible as it is ignorant, so it wouldn't really work.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878177]-[/QUOTE]
Are you somehow implying that making a Keemstar joke makes Pewdiepie a bad person?
[QUOTE=Blazedol;51878189]you're comparing someone getting temporarily banned from fiverr to running someone over, something that usually has long term, if not permanent, consequences, like broken bones, paralyzed body parts, or [B]death[/B]. you can reverse a ban from fiverr (which he help did), but you can't fix death, amigo. you see the problem with this comparison, yeah?
also, little fun piece of trivia- did you know the fiverr guys got a lot more traffic and orders than they usually get as a result from being shown on pewd's channel? so not only were the consequences reversed, but they actually ended up benefiting from it all.
and did you even watch the original video? the joke was that it was supposed to be something morally bankrupt and that if you support it you should subscribe to keemstar, who's a horrible person. "9/11 is an inside job" isn't as morally horrible as it is ignorant, so it wouldn't really work.[/QUOTE]
Generally impoverished people losing their jobs can lead to death, yes
At any rate, yes, my example was hyperbolic, but we can easily eschew it for an analogy where I'm doing sideshows with my car and accidentally damaged someone's property.
If I pay for it, it doesn't excuse me for being an asshole and doing stupid shit in the first place, I'm not magically a saint and misunderstood.
And I'm disingenuous, hahah holy shit, all right. I needed a good laugh today.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878200]Generally impoverished people losing their jobs can lead to death, yes[/QUOTE]
Well it sure fuckin is a good thing Pewdiepie helped them get their job back after the Wall Street Journal went on a crusade to ruin Felix's livelihood, their stupid character assassination being the reason they lost their job to begin with, consequences and unintended casualties be damned, huh?
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878177]-quotes-[/QUOTE]
but in the hypothetical situation you described [I]the person is still hurt and or dead.[/I] the fiverr guys not only have their jobs back but are now making even more money than before.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878200]Generally impoverished people losing their jobs can lead to death, yes[/QUOTE]
So you're not even going to admit you made a horribly inapt analogy that doesn't apply
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878200]Generally impoverished people losing their jobs can lead to death, yes[/QUOTE]
yeah, if it's permanent, which it wasn't.
This just in, news organizations deliberately mislead viewers and directly, maliciously pressure and attack companies and sponsors supporting an entertainer over a joke he made that they found opportunistic for them, which also result in other people losing their jobs due to the artificially generated outrage created by these misleading news articles.
This is all the entertainers fault, somehow.
[editline]26th February 2017[/editline]
I think this is actual, genuine victim blaming going on.
Huh.
This drama is so goddamn dumb.
This isn't some free speech crusade worth fighting. The free market happened and pewdiepie got dropped because businesses like to distance themselves from tasteless humor. Same goes with fiverr, they were having the spotlight put onto them and they made some dumb decisions to save face.
Also does anyone have a link to the WSJ article? I can't really find it.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51878223]This drama is so goddamn dumb.
This isn't some free speech crusade worth fighting. The free market happened and pewdiepie got dropped because businesses like to distance themselves from tasteless humor.
Also does anyone have a link to the WSJ article? I can't really find it.[/QUOTE]
If I could paraphrase my argument more articulately, this would be it.
He did something stupid and was an asshole for doing it, and should (and did) face the consequences. He's not a nazi.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51878223]This drama is so goddamn dumb.
This isn't some free speech crusade worth fighting. The free market happened and pewdiepie got dropped because businesses like to distance themselves from tasteless humor. Same goes with fiverr, they were having the spotlight put onto them and they made some dumb decisions to save face.
Also does anyone have a link to the WSJ article? I can't really find it.[/QUOTE]
They didnt drop him over tasteless humor given he's famous and partook in tasteless humor for quite some time, in addition to iDubbbz being under Maker as well, Pewdiepies former group.
They were pressured by the Wall Street Journal, Felix said they never went to him before the article went up, even the one journalist admitted he didnt know the chronology of what happened.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878200]Generally impoverished people losing their jobs can lead to death, yes
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So it's fiverr's fault for banning them.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878228]If I could paraphrase my argument more articulately, this would be it.
He did something stupid and was an asshole for doing it, and should (and did) face the consequences. He's not a nazi.[/QUOTE]
but the WSJ calls him a nazi, a hero to nazi's, a nazi symbol, a neo nazi, the list goes on
yet they're the good guys when they tried to get youtube to demonetize his whole channel?
Like sorry but no, yeah he did something stupid but the degree of "I have every right to ruin your life over a joke" is ridiculous.
Pewdiepie did wrong when he made that joke, which he acknowledged. The WSJ hasn't, and won't acknowledge any wrong doing on their part despite there being obvious wrongs done.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51878228]If I could paraphrase my argument more articulately, this would be it.
He did something stupid and was an asshole for doing it, and should (and did) face the consequences. He's not a nazi.[/QUOTE]
Dude what the fuck are you talking about.
How is he an asshole.
How did he "face the consequences" when they went full James O'Keefe to make him look like an anti-semetic?
Are you aware one of the clips they used to prove his anti-semetism was a video of him mocking dressing up as a nazi because of the accusations of him being one as part of a video about the news taking him out of context to paint him as something he's not?
What the fuck.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51878223]This drama is so goddamn dumb.
This isn't some free speech crusade worth fighting. The free market happened and pewdiepie got dropped because businesses like to distance themselves from tasteless humor. Same goes with fiverr, they were having the spotlight put onto them and they made some dumb decisions to save face.
Also does anyone have a link to the WSJ article? I can't really find it.[/QUOTE]
This is the equivalent to taking something someone said out of context, and emailing their employer and slandering them as a pedophile, in order to get them fired.
I don't understand how people can put in such effort to try and ignore outright slander on the part of the WSJ.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;51878234]So it's fiverr's fault for banning them.[/QUOTE]
If I made my money posting stupid shit on facepunch, should they be restrained from banning me?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51878231]They didnt drop him over tasteless humor given he's famous and partook in tasteless humor for quite some time, in addition to iDubbbz being under Maker as well, Pewdiepies former group.
They were pressured by the Wall Street Journal, Felix said they never went to him before the article went up, even the one journalist admitted he didnt know the chronology of what happened.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, businesses aren't moral crusaders.
If the spotlight ever gets shown onto idubbbz you can bet he'll get dropped real quick.
And do you have the article? Again I really wanna see it lol
This isn't about Disney dropping him. This is about a different company applying pressure for the sake of their story.
If Disney hadn't dropped him, the story wouldn't exist. The story exists because the WSJ pressured Disney to do something based on the predicated threat that the WSJ would smear the shit out of Disney if they didn't.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51878244]Yeah, businesses aren't moral crusaders.
If the spotlight ever gets shown onto idubbbz you can bet he'll get dropped real quick.
And do you have the article? Again I really wanna see it lol[/QUOTE]
Amazing how you're being so condescending and blaming Felix when you havent read any of the articles, or seen any of the videos.
Give me a moment.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51878254]Amazing how you're being so condescending and blaming Felix when you havent read any of the articles, or seen any of the videos.
Give me a moment.[/QUOTE]
I'm a pewdiepie fan so I actually am going pretty much entirely off of things he's said. And his videos have had a long history of this, you can't really deny that he's a fan of edgy humor lol, it really wasn't a surprise when someone didn't like it and began holding him to the fire for it.
Kinda like with what they did in the past with his rape jokes
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51878269]I'm a pewdiepie fan so I actually am going pretty much entirely off of things he's said. And his videos have had a long history of this, you can't really deny that he's a fan of edgy humor lol, it really wasn't a surprise when someone didn't like it and began holding him to the fire for it.
Kinda like with what they did in the past with his rape jokes[/QUOTE]
I dont remember news companies pressuring his means of income to ruin his livelihood without even speaking to him when he was doing rape jokes.
Now let me see if i can find a mirror of this article you need to pay for to read.
[editline]26th February 2017[/editline]
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFY7mGkmFxo[/media] Heres the video they included in the article in the mean time, which is all kinds of chopped up and manipulative.
[editline]26th February 2017[/editline]
[url]https://www.wsj.com/articles/disney-severs-ties-with-youtube-star-pewdiepie-after-anti-semitic-posts-1487034533[/url]
I should just note this part real quick:
[quote]Move came after the Journal asked about videos in which he included anti-Semitic jokes or Nazi imagery
[/quote]
This indicates they did indeed go to his sponsors before ever reaching out to the man himself. Thats fact.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;51877338]I'm just staggered that people don't get this[/QUOTE]
What's staggering is that anybody could be stupid enough to defend a concerted effort by massive media outlets to paint a YouTube comedian as a literal neo-Nazi for having kids in India dance around with a flier that says "KILL ALL JEWS" as a fucking joke.
Disney isn't in the wrong for not wanting PDP, that is their business
PDP making a shitty tasteless joke doesn't really mean anything... meaningful. I thought it was funny myself but if you think he's childish that's ok too, but hes' not really the bad guy here either
The only thing people actually care about is WSJ's manipulative nature. They pretty much took everything out of context and lied for views.
[QUOTE=srobins;51878305]What's staggering is that anybody could be stupid enough to defend a concerted effort by massive media outlets to paint a YouTube comedian as a literal neo-Nazi for having kids in India dance around with a flier that says "KILL ALL JEWS" as a fucking joke.[/QUOTE]
Dont forget the joke literally cant work if you actually believe in killing all jews.
[editline]26th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;51878315]Disney isn't in the wrong for not wanting PDP, that is their business
PDP making a shitty tasteless joke doesn't really mean anything... meaningful. I thought it was funny myself but if you think he's childish that's ok too, but hes' not really the bad guy here either
The only thing people actually care about is WSJ's manipulative nature. They pretty much took everything out of context and lied for views.[/QUOTE]
Disney/Maker isnt in the wrong necessarily, but the reason they did, because of outside pressure from organizations like the WSJ, is.
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