Men's rights speech by Dr. Warren Farrell disrupted by radical violent feminist - General

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40144953]Do you agree or disagree with this phrase "making your date think that you're gonna have sex and then not doing it, while getting some satisfaction/pleasure out of it, is from definition, fraud." ?[/QUOTE] People have the right to change their mind. If someone agrees to sex with you, that is not implicit consent for all the times afterwards... (mostly because there is no such thing as implicit consent) Calling this "fraud" is quite frankly really laughable.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40145086]People have the right to change their mind. If someone agrees to sex with you, that is not implicit consent for all the times afterwards... (mostly because there is no such thing as implicit consent) Calling this "fraud" is quite frankly really laughable.[/QUOTE] Can you answer to what it actually says? [QUOTE=Silly Sil;40144778]Do you agree or disagree with this phrase "making your date think that you're gonna have sex and then not doing it, [B]while getting some satisfaction/pleasure out of it[/B], is from definition, fraud." ?[/QUOTE] It's one thing to change your mind and something completely else if you get satisfaction/pleasure from making people think you'll have sex and then denying it. I don't understand why can't you reply to what I actually said. You either add or remove something from the phrase. And you know, when you changed your mind, and you no longer want to have sex, you don't continue being seductive and playful do you? When someone changes their mind it goes somewhat like that *stops kissing* "I can't. I'm sorry. I just can't do it." and then after a moment of awkward silence one of them leaves. They don't continue making out, unless they both agree to do just that. That's not the situation we are talking about. We're talking about being playful, intentionally or unintentionally making the other person think you'll have sex and denying it while continuing to be playful.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40145210]It's one thing to change your mind and something completely else if you get satisfaction/pleasure from making people think you'll have sex and then denying it. I don't understand why can't you reply to what I actually said.[/QUOTE] How can you tell that there is "satisfaction / pleasure" that is gotten out of it?

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40145308]How can you tell that there is "satisfaction / pleasure" that is gotten out of it?[/QUOTE] Uhh why else would you continue to make out and be playful if you changed your mind and don't want to have sex? What's the reason?

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40145340]Uhh why else would you continue to make out and be playful if you changed your mind and don't want to have sex? What's the reason?[/QUOTE] Does making out have to lead to sex every time? Maybe because you just want to make out and not have sex?

Many [I]Feminists[/I] do not believe in equality. Alot of them are female supremacists, feminazi's trying to gain more rights for women and completely ignore issues facing the other sex. Men's rights and Womens rights movement's should be united into an equal rights movements. [QUOTE]"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." -- Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future - If There Is One - Is Female.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40145476]Many [I]Feminists[/I] do not believe in equality. Alot of them are female supremacists, feminazi's trying to gain more rights for women and completely ignore issues facing the other sex. Men's rights and Womens rights movement's should be united into an equal rights movements.[/QUOTE] look, i disagree with a lot of feminists on a lot of things, but what the fuck are you trying to say

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40145353]Does making out have to lead to sex every time?[/QUOTE] Does inviting someone to your bedroom and making out with them lead to sex every time? No. But it sure as hell makes the other person think you'll have sex. [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40145353]Maybe because you just want to make out and not have sex?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;40145210]And you know, when you changed your mind, and you no longer want to have sex, you don't continue being seductive and playful do you? When someone changes their mind it goes somewhat like that *stops kissing* "I can't. I'm sorry. I just can't do it." and then after a moment of awkward silence one of them leaves. [B]They don't continue making out, unless they both agree to do just that. [/B][/QUOTE] Then better make it fucking clear to the other person otherwise it's pretty weird and misleading, dangerous even. You have intentionally or unintentionally made the other person think you'll have sex and you're denying it while continuing to be playful. You have to be aware that inviting someone to your bed and making out might for some fucking weird reason make the other person think you'll have sex. Those are mixed signals. You can get fucking raped, especially if the guy had some drinks. Why would you put yourself in that position, it's extremely irresponsible. It's best for both parties to know what they stand on. If not then ,one, it puts the woman in a position where she has a horny guy in her bedroom who's getting frustrated and can just go "she's just playing with me" and go for it, and two if the guy is not a rapist, you're making him think he's gonna get something he won't and you're getting fun from it. Definition of fraud. And before you go with the "victim blaming", no man should ever do that, it's fucking retarded and disgusting. On the other hand, inviting a guy to your bed and giving mixed signals is not very bright either, it's just putting yourself in danger.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40144953]In other words there are no social standards when it comes to non-verbal messages and all body language is meaningless? And by the way you didn't answer my question. My question didn't even mention body language.[/QUOTE] What is your definition of seductive behaviour other than body language [editline]3rd April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;40145552]Does inviting someone to your bedroom and making out with them lead to sex every time? No. But it sure as hell makes the other person think you'll have sex. Then better make it fucking clear to the other person otherwise it's pretty weird and misleading, dangerous even. You have intentionally or unintentionally made the other person think you'll have sex and you're denying it while continuing to be playful. You have to be aware that inviting someone to your bed and making out might for some fucking weird reason make the other person think you'll have sex. Those are mixed signals. You can get fucking raped, especially if the guy had some drinks. Why would you put yourself in that position, it's extremely irresponsible. It's best for both parties to know what they stand on. If not then ,one, it puts the woman in a position where she has a horny guy in her bedroom who's getting frustrated and can just go "she's just playing with me" and go for it, and two if the guy is not a rapist, you're making him think he's gonna get something he won't and you're getting fun from it. Definition of fraud. And before you go with the "victim blaming", no man should ever do that, it's fucking retarded and disgusting. On the other hand, inviting a guy to your bed and giving mixed signals is not very bright either, it's just putting yourself in danger.[/QUOTE] Know what else gives mixed signals Traffic lights Those fucking things change all the time Running a red is still illegal, the green or yellow light beforehand doesn't invalidate the red

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;40145548]look, i disagree with a lot of feminists on a lot of things, but what the fuck are you trying to say[/QUOTE] I think it's a joke? some people actually believe that though so I'm not certain

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40145552]You can get fucking raped, especially if the guy had some drinks. Why would you put yourself in that position, it's extremely irresponsible. [/QUOTE] Why is it irresponsible of the woman, but not of the man for being drunk and/or not knowing what consent is?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40145476]feminazi[/QUOTE] this is a thing rush limbaugh came up with

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40145816]What is your definition of seductive behaviour other than body language[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;40144778]Do you agree or disagree with this phrase "making your date think that you're gonna have sex and then not doing it, while getting some satisfaction/pleasure out of it, is from definition, fraud." ?[/QUOTE] Can you read at all? Point it where it says "seductive behavior" in there. And wasn't your it position that you can't objectively say that behavior is seductive? [QUOTE=Zeke129;40145816]Know what else gives mixed signals Traffic lights Those fucking things change all the time Running a red is still illegal[/QUOTE] Aaaaand did I say that rape is okay if they give you mixed signals? You can't read really well can you? [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40145841] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;40145552]Does inviting someone to your bedroom and making out with them lead to sex every time? No. But it sure as hell makes the other person think you'll have sex. Then better make it fucking clear to the other person otherwise it's pretty weird and misleading, dangerous even. You have intentionally or unintentionally made the other person think you'll have sex and you're denying it while continuing to be playful. You have to be aware that inviting someone to your bed and making out might for some fucking weird reason make the other person think you'll have sex. Those are mixed signals. [B]You can get fucking raped, especially if the guy had some drinks. Why would you put yourself in that position, it's extremely irresponsible.[/B] It's best for both parties to know what they stand on. If not then ,one, it puts the woman in a position where she has a horny guy in her bedroom who's getting frustrated and can just go "she's just playing with me" and go for it, and two if the guy is not a rapist, you're making him think he's gonna get something he won't and you're getting fun from it. Definition of fraud. [B]And before you go with the "victim blaming", no man should ever do that, it's fucking retarded and disgusting. On the other hand, inviting a guy to your bed and giving mixed signals is not very bright either, it's just putting yourself in danger.[/B][/QUOTE] Why is it irresponsible of the woman, but not of the man for being drunk and/or not knowing what consent is?[/QUOTE] Where does it say that it's not? Why do you keep replying to things that I haven't said? And I could swear we were talking about saying "no" verbally but continuing to be playful, not about getting drunk and understand what consent is. That's why I didn't focus on that.

the clip clop of a woman's high heels activates the clop sensors of the male human brain, making them hungry for sex as they pound their chests like true [B]alpha males[/B]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40145882] Aaaaand did I say that rape is okay if they give you mixed signals? You can't read really well can you?[/QUOTE] I don't actually know what your argument here is, other than some directionless complaining about how women sometimes dare to be human beings with dynamic and changing emotions and thoughts and are fraudsters because of it.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40145905]I don't actually know what your argument here is, other than some directionless complaining about how women sometimes dare to be human beings with dynamic and changing emotions and thoughts and are fraudsters because of it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;40145210]It's one thing to change your mind and something completely else if you get satisfaction/pleasure from making people think you'll have sex and then denying it. I don't understand why can't you reply to what I actually said.[/QUOTE] You are extremely illiterate. We're not talking about changing your mind. Read the thread. And this is my point [QUOTE=Silly Sil;40144778]making your date think that you're gonna have sex and then not doing it, while getting some satisfaction/pleasure out of it, is from definition, fraud[/QUOTE] You know, the phrase that I keep copy pasting all the time and that you've managed to misinterpret in 5 different ways.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40144667]Think about this for a second. If your date makes you believe that you're gonna have sex but he/she gets satisfied by making out and doesn't want to go any further, what are you gonna call that? [/QUOTE] jesus christ

[QUOTE=thisispain;40145999]jesus christ[/QUOTE] You're gonna call it "jesus christ"? I should have spent more time in the church.

*canned laughter*

[QUOTE=thisispain;40146065]*canned laughter*[/QUOTE] This is the best rebuttal you can make? And before you go "your argument is extremely dumb on it's own" or something like that. If it is, then surely it's easy to rebut? Right? No really how would you call making someone believe he's gonna get something, not giving it to them and getting pleasure from all that?

silly sil some of the stuff you've said is actually downright frightening. i hope no woman has the misfortune to know you

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40146105]This is the best rebuttal you can make? And before you go "your argument is extremely dumb on it's own" or something like that. If it is, then surely it's easy to rebut? Right? No really how would you call making someone believe he's gonna get something, not giving it to them and getting pleasure from all that?[/QUOTE] how exactly do you determine the intent to convince someone you're going to have sex for the sake of whatever the fuck you think someone would get out of that

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40146137]silly sil some of the stuff you've said is actually downright frightening. i hope no woman has the misfortune to know you[/QUOTE] If it's something that I actually posted, not what you think I implied, can you quote it? [QUOTE=Metanar;40146140]how exactly do you determine the intent to convince someone you're going to have sex for the sake of whatever the fuck you think someone would get out of that[/QUOTE] Not sure I understand the question correctly but I think I've already replied to that [QUOTE=Silly Sil;40145340][QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40145308][QUOTE=Silly Sil;40145210] It's one thing to change your mind and something completely else if you get satisfaction/pleasure from making people think you'll have sex and then denying it.[/QUOTE] How can you tell that there is "satisfaction / pleasure" that is gotten out of it?[/QUOTE]Uhh why else would you continue to make out and be playful if you changed your mind and don't want to have sex? What's the reason?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40146105]This is the best rebuttal you can make? And before you go "your argument is extremely dumb on it's own" or something like that. If it is, then surely it's easy to rebut? Right? No really how would you call making someone believe he's gonna get something, not giving it to them and getting pleasure from all that?[/QUOTE] wow uhm ease up stop taking this forum a bit too seriously, for your own sake

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40146151]If it's something that I actually posted, not what you think I implied, can you quote it?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;40144667]Think about this for a second. If your date makes you believe that you're gonna have sex but he/she gets satisfied by making out and doesn't want to go any further, what are you gonna call that? [/QUOTE] [quote] If your date makes you believe[/quote] how could he/she do this short of saying "i want to have sex with you during/immediately after this date"? [quote]but he/she gets satisfied by making out and doesn't want to go any further, what are you gonna call that?[/quote] i call it: 'you completely misinterpreted your date because you're a frighteningly socially retarded fuck'

When people complain about protesters who say bad things about calm MRA people I think of this image [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/6e58b0716d443fbe0501833f7da62136/tumblr_mhkxv1zGwk1rabj8wo1_1280.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40146164]how could he/she do this short of saying "i want to have sex with you during/immediately after this date"?[/QUOTE] I dunno, like inviting me to her bedroom and starting making out? [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;40146164]i call it: 'you completely misinterpreted your date because you're a frighteningly socially retarded fuck'[/QUOTE] So if a you'd spend some time with a girl and she'd invite you to her bedroom and you'd both start making out and all that jazz, you wouldn't think she might want to have sex with you? If you need this to be mailed to you, then I think you might be the frighteningly socially retarded fuck.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40146237]If you need this to be mailed to you, then I think you might be the frighteningly socially retarded fuck.[/QUOTE] Kissing =/= sex

God damn that video made me angry. That woman calling the guy scum right in his face. She needs help.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40146237]I dunno, like inviting me to her bedroom and starting making out?[/quote] wow. a room with a flat comfy surface known as a bed? and making-out? yep she definitely wants sex 100% - she practically just told you she does! so when she says "sorry i'd like to take it a bit slower" you can either storm out and tell her she's a fraud or just have your way with her anyway cos she's obviously a bitch [quote]So if a you'd spend some time with a girl and she'd invite you to her bedroom and you'd both start making out and all that jazz, you wouldn't think she might want to have sex with you?[/quote] i might think she might want to have sex. i'd test the water. i might make a move. the moment she says "i don't want to have sex" i'd be all like "oh sorry that's cool yeh let's take it slow" not be upset because i was maliciously tricked [quote]If you need this to be mailed to you, then I think you might be the frighteningly socially retarded fuck.[/QUOTE] this is just getting sadder and sadder mate