Men's rights speech by Dr. Warren Farrell disrupted by radical violent feminist - General

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40150496]I'm not entitled to sex just because someone flirted with me. Not giving me sex isn't taking anything from me. Having fun at my expense is.[/QUOTE] some people mess with people its not very nice what exactly is your point?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;40150513]some people mess with people its not very nice what exactly is your point?[/QUOTE] That it's fraud in that context. The entire argument came out of that. I like how you ask what's my point when your assumptions about what I think proved false even though you quoted it in previous post.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40148015]0% fucked if she can't prove you had sex. Even if she can it's hard to prove it was rape and not consensual. If there's a group of people circlejerking about something that I completely disagree with, why is it wrong to have a discussion with them?[/QUOTE] it's not a discussion, you're just bickering pointlessly [editline]4th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;40148306]I thought it's normal to call making someone believe he's gonna get something, not giving it to him and getting pleasure/advantage from it. How would you call it?[/QUOTE] oh my god. you really need to take a good look in the mirror saying shit like this.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40150570]That it's fraud in that context. The entire argument came out of that. I like how you ask what's my point when your assumptions about what I think proved false even though you quoted it in previous post.[/QUOTE] It's not fraud. Messing with someone for fun might be a bit annoying but it isn't fraud in any sense. Fraud means you lost something physical, at least by legal terms (which in the end is the only way in which the term means anything)

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40150496]I'm not entitled to sex just because someone flirted with me. Not giving me sex isn't taking anything from me. Having fun at my expense is.[/QUOTE] now teasing people is illegal?

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;40150591]it's not a discussion, you're just bickering pointlessly[/QUOTE] Someone posted the same quote that pops up when this guy is mentioned. I pointed out that in a specific context it does fit the definition of fraud. Then I get lots of accusations how I think I'm entitled to women's body and how I think that women are responsible of not getting me horny and when they fail to do that I think it's okay to rape them. And so I answer. At first I tried to participate in discussion. Not my fault that the only way you people argue is personal attacks and assuming ridiculous shit about the other party. I guess it would be much better discussion if I'd just rate all feminist supportive post with agrees and insult and shower with dumbs/funny everyone who disagrees or makes any negative comment.

Guys, advocating for men's rights does not mean wanting women to have less rights.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;40150618]It's not fraud. Messing with someone for fun might be a bit annoying but it isn't fraud in any sense. Fraud means you lost something physical, at least by legal terms (which in the end is the only way in which the term means anything)[/QUOTE] I thought we weren't talking about law. How is that even relevant? Fraud outside of the law, means that party A is led to believe it's gonna get something from party B, party B doesn't deliver and gets something out of it. How doesn't that fit the definition? [QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;40150626]now teasing people is illegal?[/QUOTE] And who said that?

This is all irrelevant and beside the issue anyway, I don't know why are you even arguing over semantics. The issue is that Farrell stated that "date fraud" is as bad as date rape and blames women for "tempting" men. That is so fucking stupid I don't even have to explain why.

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;40150722]This is all irrelevant and beside the issue anyway, I don't know why are you even arguing over semantics. The issue is that Farrell stated that "date fraud" is as bad as date rape and blames women for "tempting" men. That is so fucking stupid I don't even have to explain why.[/QUOTE] I don't disagree with anything you've just said.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40150702]I thought we weren't talking about law. How is that even relevant? Fraud outside of the law, means that party A is led to believe it's gonna get something from party B, party B doesn't deliver and gets something out of it. How doesn't that fit the definition? [/QUOTE] They don't get anything out of it, other than the fun of annoying you, which isn't fraud in any meaningful way It's just irrelevant semantics.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40150739]I don't disagree with anything you've just said.[/QUOTE] Then why insist on using the term "date fraud"? It's stupid. Call it what it is: someone was leading you on. It happens all the time and it happens to [I]everyone[/I], it's not exclusive to men, and you are not entitled to getting anything from anyone. If my boss keeps hinting I'll get a raise and then they don't give me raise it's not fraud, they're just being an asshole. If my friend keeps telling me that he's gonna give me one of his two tickets for a movie and then decides to go with someone else, it's not fraud, he's being a dick. seriously it's not a hard concept to grasp

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;40150820]They don't get anything out of it, other than the fun of annoying you, which isn't fraud in any meaningful way It's just irrelevant semantics.[/QUOTE] They don't get anything. They get fun. Pick one. It's advantage/benefit/gain, who said it has to be physical. Except the law that we're not talking about.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40150702]I thought we weren't talking about law. How is that even relevant? Fraud outside of the law, means that party A is led to believe it's gonna get something from party B, party B doesn't deliver and gets something out of it. How doesn't that fit the definition? And who said that?[/QUOTE] If someone leads you on expressly for the purpose of gratifying themselves, then that isn't the kind of person you should be sexually associating with. Go find one of the other millions and millions of women who under the right circumstances (ie. not coerced, forced, obligated or made in any way uncomfortable about their decision) will have intercourse with you. You've ground whatever axe you set out with when you came into this thread. Stop now.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40150698]Guys, advocating for men's rights does not mean wanting women to have less rights.[/QUOTE] The MRM certainly does not act like it.

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;40150843]Then why insist on using the term "date fraud"? It's stupid. Call it what it is: someone was leading you on. It happens all the time and it happens to [I]everyone[/I], it's not exclusive to men, and you are not entitled to getting anything from anyone. If my boss keeps hinting I'll get a raise and then they don't give me raise it's not fraud, they're just being an asshole. If my friend keeps telling me that he's gonna give me one of his two tickets for a movie and then decides to go with someone else, it's not fraud, he's being a dick. seriously it's not a hard concept to grasp[/QUOTE] If someone intentionally makes you believe you'll get something, you don't get it and that someone gains something from all that, technically the term fraud could be used. It is a sloppy way of using it, there are better words to use. But it can be used to describe that. And dude... really? Just because I use the same term as some guy does it really have to mean that I agree with his ideas? [QUOTE=Mlisen14;40150875]If someone leads you on expressly for the purpose of gratifying themselves, then that isn't the kind of person you should be sexually associating with. Go find one of the other millions and millions of women who under the right circumstances (ie. not coerced, forced, obligated or made in any way uncomfortable about their decision) will have intercourse with you.[/QUOTE] But you won't know the person is like that before it happens will you? So you're just stating the obvious. [QUOTE=Mlisen14;40150875]You've ground whatever axe you set out with when you came into this thread. Stop now.[/QUOTE] I thought the argument ended at the top of page 3. People keep accusing me of ridiculous shit, I keep replying.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40150698]Guys, advocating for men's rights does not mean wanting women to have less rights.[/QUOTE] Read any of Farrell's books from 1990 onwards and say that. Seriously, doesn't the quote I posted on the first page sound even a [I]little[/I] wrong to you? [editline]also[/editline] besides men aren't oppressed

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40150698]Guys, advocating for men's rights does not mean wanting women to have less rights.[/QUOTE] what rights do men not have lol it's a joke

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;40151018]what rights do men not have lol it's a joke[/QUOTE] Men have higher rates of suicide, higher rates of homelessness, don't get affirmative action benefits, judges have a bias towards mother, have to participate in the draft/conscription, expected to be breadwinners, etc.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40151058]Men have higher rates of suicide, higher rates of homelessness, don't get affirmative action benefits, judges have a bias towards mother, have to participate in the draft/conscription, expected to be breadwinners, etc.[/QUOTE] men dont get affirmative action benefits???? what world do you live in

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40151058]Men have higher rates of suicide, higher rates of homelessness, don't get affirmative action benefits, judges have a bias towards mother, have to participate in the draft/conscription, expected to be breadwinners, etc.[/QUOTE] Half of those have nothing to do with gender equity and the other half are direct results of gender roles imposed by other men. MRAs operate under the belief that men are actively oppressed by women solely for being men. I don't think you know what "men's rights" means in this context.

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;40151124]Half of those have nothing to do with gender equity and the other half are direct results of gender roles imposed by other men. MRAs operate under the belief that men are actively oppressed by women solely for being men. I don't think you know what "men's rights" means in this context.[/QUOTE] The girls in PE had to run less to get the same grade as boys :(

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40151058]Men have higher rates of suicide, higher rates of homelessness, don't get affirmative action benefits, judges have a bias towards mother, have to participate in the draft/conscription, expected to be breadwinners, etc.[/QUOTE] none of those have to do anything with rights oh my god hahahaha

the thread is still on the date fraud topic? okay heres what you do if a woman does tease and trick you like that 1. do the same to her 2. go find a different relationship. can we move on now

[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;40151203]none of those have to do anything with rights oh my god hahahaha[/QUOTE] This is rangergxi we're talking about.

[QUOTE=Winters;40150900]The MRM certainly does not act like it.[/QUOTE] You can find radicals anywhere, the existence of such radicals does not invalidate a cause.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40147851] wouldnt surprise anyone to know ive been gagged before i reckon[/QUOTE] were you reading silly sil's facepunch posts out loud in bed [editline]3rd April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;40151058]Men have higher rates of suicide, higher rates of homelessness, don't get affirmative action benefits, judges have a bias towards mother, have to participate in the draft/conscription, expected to be breadwinners, etc.[/QUOTE] - Anti-feminism won't do anything for male suicide, homelessness, conscription, or fighting gender roles - Affirmative action is to give minorities a fairer chance at things, men aren't a minority (unless you are a man who is also a minority) - [i]Male[/i] judges have a bias toward the mother. 80% of judges are men. In sentencing, where women usually get off lighter, women actually receive harsher judgments from female judges than from male judges. It may shock everyone to find out that I am, in fact, a man and as such am concerned about issues affecting men the MRM isn't gonna do shit for any of them and seeks only to be detrimental to other movements it deems to be in competition with them (feminism, lgbt rights, etc)

We have now established that one can equate the scenario of someone "leading you on" to "date fraud", but only in an informal setting which holds no legal weight at all. Amazing job, Silly Sil. Also just want to say how horrible it was for you to trick us into thinking you may have had an interesting point to make. Technically that could be called "debate fraud"

Looked into this guy a bit, and can safely say that he's an absolute idiot. From what I can tell he leverages his previous alliance to feminist movements to lend credibility to his cause, even though his newer cause is mind-bogglingly stupid. I think the ONLY important issue of men's rights that exists is unequal standing in custody cases and child support. Otherwise, pretty much every single other issue that any MRA has ever brought up is based on flawed statistics, anti-feminism, hate, or plain misinformation. I think the same thing for feminism. Equality in matters of pay and law are all that can be guaranteed, and those should be the focus. Societal equality will branch from legal equality and an image of public acceptance. You can't force societal equality without getting significant resistance. The Men's Right's movement is backlash against Feminist sub-movements that have tried to force societal equality. Societal equality is typically a generational thing. Once blacks had guaranteed legal equality, there was still tons of racism around. A few generations later, and it's decreased by an amazing amount simply because legal guarantee of equality will cause racist tendencies to atrophy over time.

[QUOTE=harryh11;40152813]We have now established that one can equate the scenario of someone "leading you on" to "date fraud", but only in an informal setting which holds no legal weight at all. Amazing job, Silly Sil. [/QUOTE] It's not my problem that you people assume all that ridiculous shit, and then the argument has to go for 3 pages every time someone disagrees with you on something, even that small. So if you're gonna say "amazing job" tell that to everyone who did that. [QUOTE=harryh11;40152813]Also just want to say how horrible it was for you to trick us into thinking you may have had an interesting point to make. Technically that could be called "debate fraud"[/QUOTE] That joke was already made and in a much better way.