Man on his deathbed delivers a powerful message. - General

[QUOTE=adadadsd;23417475]I'm not trying to contradict you, but your idea that science "aint' all that" is a bit strange to me. Science is everything, science is atoms, physics, air, fire, living, dying. Science is probably the biggest thing we are sure of.[/QUOTE] Science is existence. Simply the act of thought is science. Science is a term applied by humans to describe the pure, fundamental understanding of existence itself, and all therein. You cannot believe in science, and you cannot disprove science, because science is what's right in front of you.

Anyone else think this is a cheap move? Its like telling you a guy is dying of AIDs and you have to believe in his magical monkey god, and if you detest you get the "HOU DAR YOU HES DAIENG". Thats what I feel like, a whole buncha bullshit.\ Just replace AIDs with Cancer and magical monkey god with Jesus Christ.

[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;23419152]Holy shit you athiests are such tools. If the man wants to believe something that makes him feel better, let him fucking believe it. He isn't hurting you. Let Christians believe what they want, don't take that away from them. God dammit it pisses me off how you athiests think you're the only fucking ones out there. It's not anyones place to bash on someones religion.[/QUOTE] Seriously dude, take a few deep breaths and read the thread. No one is flaming anyone for believing in god, no need to go spastic as soon as you see people arguing about something. And I don't think many atheists think they're the only ones out there, I'm pretty sure they think the exact opposite.

what's it called if you just dont care about religion? I think god or something like that does exist but i just don't care about it. religion isnt important here in belgium... really. Am i an atheist or what?

To be honest his idea of religion just sounded like a huge Pascal's wager. Everyone must die, I'm sure TONS of Christians have had last words like this. Still sad seeing a man die. [editline]09:51AM[/editline] [QUOTE=utalk2342;23421033]Anyone else think this is a cheap move? Its like telling you a guy is dying of AIDs and you have to believe in his magical monkey god, and if you detest you get the "HOU DAR YOU HES DAIENG". Thats what I feel like, a whole buncha bullshit.\ Just replace AIDs with Cancer and magical monkey god with Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE] Agreed. The OP gave an intro to the video as if it was some sort of logical and important message. I expected some philosophical theistic message, but when I watched it he was rambling about the Christian religion. [editline]09:59AM[/editline] [QUOTE=WaXeD187;23416571]I found this in related, figured it would be relative to the subject. Here is some last words of famous atheist's. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68yymdLwx4E&feature=related[/media] It is kind of ironic that some pray for help.[/QUOTE] A dying man is in a state of utmost weakness. It's not a surprise that they began freaking out as the lights went out.

[QUOTE=Viephemeral;23422890] Agreed. The OP gave an intro to the video as if it was some sort of logical and important message. I expected some philosophical theistic message, but when I watched it he was rambling about the Christian religion. [/QUOTE] Agreed. I found the video boring and uninformative.

I've always figured that if I lead a good life/am a good person and there turns out to be some kind of "heaven", yet I am denied entrance because I didn't believe in some god, then I'd happily accept that decision. I wouldn't want to live in paradise with a being that cannot be rational about things. With how complex humans are, narrowing us down to black and white categories is outright stupid, and I would not want to be stuck in eternity with a stupid being.

If there's a God, he's an asshole and I don't want to spend the eternity with a fucking asshole.

I just woke up everyone, I will be responding to your replies shortly. [editline]02:25PM[/editline] [QUOTE=nikomo;23423346]If there's a God, he's an asshole and I don't want to spend the eternity with a fucking asshole.[/QUOTE] I don't know what to believe when it comes to hell, but if there is a hell imagine how much of an asshole "Satan" is. [editline]02:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Dclone2;23418206]"Dealing with a body of facts or truths" Meaning anything that IS and can be proven as such. So yea, basically everything (important)[/QUOTE] You missed m point completely.

[QUOTE=WaXeD187;23423371]I just woke up everyone, I will be responding to your replies shortly. [editline]02:25PM[/editline] I don't know what to believe when it comes to hell, but if there is a hell imagine how much of an asshole "Satan" is. [editline]02:27PM[/editline] You missed m point completely.[/QUOTE] How do you know if Satan would be an asshole. As far as I know Satan hasn't published a book. The way I see it, god and Satan were having an argument and Satan's just being the bigger man because god is just writing shit down about him like a 14 year old Myspace whore. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJ-_OTvsqo[/url]

Another religion thread? ------------------------ I do not believe in a 'god'. If there was this 'god' the world wouldn't be so corrupted. Events such as 9/11 and the multiple terrorist bombings would have most likely been prevented and would most of the worlds deaths. Religion causes nothing but wars and hate. The terrorists did it for their 'god'. What about the crusades? a huge war all done in the name of religion. This world would be better off without religion. As for the afterlife, There are either 3 possible places you could go. You could either go to: A) A void. A blank nothingness where you wouldn't exist at all. B) Reincarnation. Your soul gets passed to another body and you start life again. C) This 'heaven' or 'hell' which religion believes we go to when we die. If it helps, I do not believe in any 'god' but I do believe in a supernatural 'power' somewhere in the universe. I can't quite explain my beliefs in words..

[QUOTE=Xenoyia v2;23423477]Another religion thread? ------------------------ I do not believe in a 'god'. If there was this 'god' the world wouldn't be so corrupted. Events such as 9/11 and the multiple terrorist bombings would have most likely been prevented and would most of the worlds deaths. Religion causes nothing but wars and hate. The terrorists did it for their 'god'. What about the crusades? a huge war all done in the name of religion. This world would be better off without religion. As for the afterlife, There are either 3 possible places you could go. You could either go to: A) A void. A blank nothingness where you wouldn't exist at all. B) Reincarnation. Your soul gets passed to another body and you start life again. C) This 'heaven' or 'hell' which religion believes we go to when we die. If it helps, I do not believe in any 'god' but I do believe in a supernatural 'power' somewhere in the universe. I can't quite explain my beliefs in words..[/QUOTE] We as humans have freewill to make the decisions that start wars and reak havoc upon this planet. God does not have a remote control to lead us away from bad when we are all wise enough to lead ourselves away. There would not be all of these bombings if we learned to live in harmony and peace, but our American government pretty much asks for trouble. Humans are so ignorant we get caught up in money and material goods that benefit us, we never look at the whole picture. If we took into consideration that everything we do has a cause on someone else be it negative or positive, and we always focused our energy towards the positive things then we would live in a world with peace and love. [editline]02:48PM[/editline] [QUOTE=MaverickIB;23423281]I've always figured that if I lead a good life/am a good person and there turns out to be some kind of "heaven", yet I am denied entrance because I didn't believe in some god, then I'd happily accept that decision. I wouldn't want to live in paradise with a being that cannot be rational about things. With how complex humans are, narrowing us down to black and white categories is outright stupid, and I would not want to be stuck in eternity with a stupid being.[/QUOTE] You sir, are not an atheist. Maybe just 1/2 of an atheist lol.

Just because science can't prove something, we automatically have to fill that hole with a belief of god, simply because we either can't comprehend or prove it on a scientific level? People these days see it as one way or the other.

[QUOTE=Viephemeral;23423471]How do you know if Satan would be an asshole. As far as I know Satan hasn't published a book. The way I see it, god and Satan were having an argument and Satan's just being the bigger man because god is just writing shit down about him like a 14 year old Myspace whore. [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJ-_OTvsqo[/URL][/QUOTE] His name was Lucifer at that point not Satan. And of course there was an argument Lucifer was plotting to steal the throne of God so he cast him and his followers from "Heaven". I don't necessarily believe it, but that is how it was portrayed.

Do you have proof? Show me proof that there is this 'god'. How can you go about believing on something which you have no proof of?

I was expecting something nice like how we should ruining the environment or stop fighting etc.. but it was just the generic "if you ain't christian you gonna burn in hell" message

[QUOTE=Xenoyia v2;23423844]Do you have proof? Show me proof that there is this 'god'. How can you go about believing on something which you have no proof of?[/QUOTE] That is a 12 year old response that this forum has seen over a million times, if you are going to provide an argument at least be legitimate. You need to read further into the thread, no-one is trying to give you proof, so maybe the best thing you can do is just to stop posting. I already said I am not a converter, I could care less if you rot for an eternity or burn because I have no sympathy for you, mkay? mkay.

[QUOTE=WaXeD187;23423912]That is a 12 year old response that this forum has seen over a million times, if you are going to provide an argument at least be legitimate. You need to read further into the thread, no-one is trying to give you proof, so maybe the best thing you can do is just to stop posting. I already said I am not a converter, I could care less if you rot for an eternity or burn because I have no sympathy for you, mkay? mkay.[/QUOTE] Bwahaha! As soon as I ask for proof, you go insulting me. You earned +50 years in hell for that post.

[QUOTE=Xenoyia v2;23423920]Bwahaha! As soon as I ask for proof, you go insulting me. You earned +50 years in hell for that post.[/QUOTE] No if you read on the first page I have already addressed that whole seeing is believing post, and I am not wasting my time re-typing it to you. Also I am not a Christian, so maybe you just need to stop talking instead of making yourself look stupid.

[QUOTE=HellSoldier;23416534]He won't, because if he lets millions of people die from terrible diseases and suffer under cruel conditions the likes of which many of us have not yet seen, he sure as hell won't let anyone into heaven. For some reason that new episode of the amazing atheist made sense to me.[/QUOTE] Maybe he's removing them from their terrible life and sending them into a place where only peace can occur.

[QUOTE=WaXeD187;23423969]No if you read on the first page I have already addressed that whole seeing is believing post, and I am not wasting my time re-typing it to you. Also I am not a Christian, so maybe you just need to stop talking instead of making yourself look stupid.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14[/media]

Basically my message to everyone who reads this thread is to think outside of the box, do not fall back on human habit and go with the flow. Be different, find your own beliefs but do not be blind and think we just got here by chance. There are many different "theories" of how we got here but there is no answer, use your thoughts to unlock these secrets. I believe if we used 100% of our brain instead of 10 we could pass through light and the vibrations of the universe, I believe we could make things move. Call me crazy but the mind has more capacity than any super-computer ever made, it is greater than any invention this world has seen and we only use a small portion of it. Let it unravel and find your own beliefs.

Yup. It's called the big bang. The Big Bang is the prevailing cosmological theory of the early development of the universe. Cosmologists use the term Big Bang to refer to the idea that the universe was originally extremely hot and dense at some finite time in the past and has since cooled by expanding to the present diluted state and continues to expand today. The theory is supported by the most comprehensive and accurate explanations from current scientific evidence and observation.[1][2] According to the best available measurements as of 2010, the initial conditions occurred around 13.3 to 13.9 billion years ago.[3][4] Georges Lemaître proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, although he called it his "hypothesis of the primeval atom". The framework for the model relies on Albert Einstein's general relativity and on simplifying assumptions (such as homogeneity and isotropy of space). The governing equations had been formulated by Alexander Friedmann. After Edwin Hubble discovered in 1929 that the distances to far away galaxies were generally proportional to their redshifts, as suggested by Lemaître in 1927, this observation was taken to indicate that all very distant galaxies and clusters have an apparent velocity directly away from our vantage point: the farther away, the higher the apparent velocity.[5] If the distance between galaxy clusters is increasing today, everything must have been closer together in the past. This idea has been considered in detail back in time to extreme densities and temperatures,[6][7][8] and large particle accelerators have been built to experiment on and test such conditions, resulting in significant confirmation of the theory, but these accelerators have limited capabilities to probe into such high energy regimes. Without any evidence associated with the earliest instant of the expansion, the Big Bang theory cannot and does not provide any explanation for such an initial condition; rather, it describes and explains the general evolution of the Universe since that instant. The observed abundances of the light elements throughout the cosmos closely match the calculated predictions for the formation of these elements from nuclear processes in the rapidly expanding and cooling first minutes of the Universe, as logically and quantitatively detailed according to Big Bang nucleosynthesis. Fred Hoyle is credited with coining the term Big Bang during a 1949 radio broadcast. It is popularly reported that Hoyle, who favored an alternative "steady state" cosmological model, intended this to be pejorative, but Hoyle explicitly denied this and said it was just a striking image meant to highlight the difference between the two models.[9][10][11] Hoyle later helped considerably in the effort to understand stellar nucleosynthesis, the nuclear pathway for building certain heavier elements from lighter ones. After the discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation in 1964, and especially when its spectrum (i.e., the amount of radiation measured at each wavelength) sketched out a blackbody curve, most scientists were fairly convinced by the evidence that some Big Bang scenario must have occurred.

[QUOTE=Xenoyia v2;23424124]Yup. It's called the big bang. The Big Bang is the prevailing cosmological theory of the early development of the universe. Cosmologists use the term Big Bang to refer to the idea that the universe was originally extremely hot and dense at some finite time in the past and has since cooled by expanding to the present diluted state and continues to expand today. The theory is supported by the most comprehensive and accurate explanations from current scientific evidence and observation.[1][2] According to the best available measurements as of 2010, the initial conditions occurred around 13.3 to 13.9 billion years ago.[3][4] Georges Lemaître proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, although he called it his "hypothesis of the primeval atom". The framework for the model relies on Albert Einstein's general relativity and on simplifying assumptions (such as homogeneity and isotropy of space). The governing equations had been formulated by Alexander Friedmann. After Edwin Hubble discovered in 1929 that the distances to far away galaxies were generally proportional to their redshifts, as suggested by Lemaître in 1927, this observation was taken to indicate that all very distant galaxies and clusters have an apparent velocity directly away from our vantage point: the farther away, the higher the apparent velocity.[5] If the distance between galaxy clusters is increasing today, everything must have been closer together in the past. This idea has been considered in detail back in time to extreme densities and temperatures,[6][7][8] and large particle accelerators have been built to experiment on and test such conditions, resulting in significant confirmation of the theory, but these accelerators have limited capabilities to probe into such high energy regimes. Without any evidence associated with the earliest instant of the expansion, the Big Bang theory cannot and does not provide any explanation for such an initial condition; rather, it describes and explains the general evolution of the Universe since that instant. The observed abundances of the light elements throughout the cosmos closely match the calculated predictions for the formation of these elements from nuclear processes in the rapidly expanding and cooling first minutes of the Universe, as logically and quantitatively detailed according to Big Bang nucleosynthesis. Fred Hoyle is credited with coining the term Big Bang during a 1949 radio broadcast. It is popularly reported that Hoyle, who favored an alternative "steady state" cosmological model, intended this to be pejorative, but Hoyle explicitly denied this and said it was just a striking image meant to highlight the difference between the two models.[9][10][11] Hoyle later helped considerably in the effort to understand stellar nucleosynthesis, the nuclear pathway for building certain heavier elements from lighter ones. After the discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation in 1964, and especially when its spectrum (i.e., the amount of radiation measured at each wavelength) sketched out a blackbody curve, most scientists were fairly convinced by the evidence that some Big Bang scenario must have occurred.[/QUOTE] I have already addressed this on the first page, this is still a theory. Please stop wasting your time and read the thread before you post again.

[QUOTE=WaXeD187;23424095]Basically my message to everyone who reads this thread is to think outside of the box, do not fall back on human habit and go with the flow. Be different, find your own beliefs but do not be blind and think we just got here by chance. There are many different "theories" of how we got here but there is no answer, use your thoughts to unlock these secrets. I believe if we used 100% of our brain instead of 10 we could pass through light and the vibrations of the universe, I believe we could make things move. Call me crazy but the mind has more capacity than any super-computer ever made, it is greater than any invention this world has seen and we only use a small portion of it. Let it unravel and find your own beliefs.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10%25_of_brain_myth[/url] Refutation being the main area you need to read. Myth: a traditional story accepted as history; serves to explain the world view of a people That's religion.

[QUOTE=WaXeD187;23423733]His name was Lucifer at that point not Satan. And of course there was an argument Lucifer was plotting to steal the throne of God so he cast him and his followers from "Heaven". I don't necessarily believe it, but that is how it was portrayed.[/QUOTE] Again, "God" wrote that book. Could be bullshit. It IS bullshit. [editline]11:27AM[/editline] [QUOTE=WaXeD187;23423590]We as humans have freewill to make the decisions that start wars and reak havoc upon this planet. God does not have a remote control to lead us away from bad when we are all wise enough to lead ourselves away. There would not be all of these bombings if we learned to live in harmony and peace, but our American government pretty much asks for trouble. Humans are so ignorant we get caught up in money and material goods that benefit us, we never look at the whole picture. If we took into consideration that everything we do has a cause on someone else be it negative or positive, and we always focused our energy towards the positive things then we would live in a world with peace and love.[/QUOTE] Watch The Amazing Atheist's "Universe Next Door" video.

[QUOTE=Viephemeral;23424240]Again, "God" wrote that book. Could be bullshit. It IS bullshit. [editline]11:27AM[/editline] Watch The Amazing Atheist's "Universe Next Door" video.[/QUOTE] I watched it yesterday, it did not faze me. The guy is intelligent though.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;23423987]Maybe he's removing them from their terrible life and sending them into a place where only peace can occur.[/QUOTE] Yeah man because it's totally necessary to make someone suffer a slow death locked up in a basement getting raped and tortured by their own father everyday for 10 years before you die. I mean, it's not like a god would give quick and painless deaths right?

[QUOTE=Viephemeral;23424240]Again, "God" wrote that book. Could be bullshit. It IS bullshit. [/QUOTE] actually, man wrote the book. it's common knowledge to many atheists and christians that it was written by man who, shall we say, "interpreted messages" from their god. science is science, religion is religion. though both may seem to have huge, foundational evidence, i only accept either with substantial evidence. i will NOT accept prevailing [b]theories[/b] about the origins of our universe, so i choose to have faith and believe in a creator.

[QUOTE=WaXeD187;23424538]I watched it yesterday, it did not faze me. The guy is intelligent though.[/QUOTE] If that did not faze you then you need to open your eyes. Seriously.