[QUOTE=Zet;43156556]If you see Access Denied, you need to add www. in front of the link. And vice versa for people who get Access Denied on the www. links.[/QUOTE]
Still doesn't work.
Filing this under "gamers are crybabies", case #451,856
i'm gonna need to order some more filing cabinets brb
This is so stupid. It's just a guy saying "One of the team members is a FEMINIST and SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR!" and claiming that she'll use the game to "push her agenda" despite the fact that she isn't really in a project lead position.
And oh my god an employee on the project hasn't ever played MegaMan! Oh no! It'll be just as terrible as the time Valve hired Viktor Antonov and those voice actors! They never played Half Life, and look how HL2 turned out!
That and this guy spends all of his time ranting about "those fucking retards" AKA anyone who doesn't think this woman is like the SJW reincarnation of Hitler or whatever, here to ruin Mighty number 9. Or at least, that's all he said by like 8 minutes in, I turned it off after that because I couldn't stand this rant anymore
[QUOTE=Smashing Good;43156589][URL="http://superspecialawesomeattack.tumblr.com/post/69763976769/for-those-of-you-not-in-the-know"]Found a link explaining why people don't like Dina so much.[/URL]
Here's a brief rundown if you can't be bothered:
-Her artwork doesn't fit the Megaman style.
-She has a lack of experience with Megaman.
-Her twitter suggests that she was hired solely due to interpersonal relations (though arguably this happens in a lot of jobs).
-The backers are concerned with letting an amateur designing their game (apparently).
[b]-She deleted all her tweets suggesting her unfamiliarity with the Megaman franchise. Also she labelled Megaman X as the best Megaman game. (Speaking as someone who has not played any Megaman games nor has backed the Kickstarter, I can't really provide an opinion on this point).[/b]
-Her twitter suggests that she is into social justice actions. Obviously some people are going to be turned off by this. The post itself covers this better than I can.
-Her suggestion to genderswap Beck is viewed pointless by some.
-Something concerning strawmen: Dina getting backlash has little to do with her gender. If this was true, then the female composer on the team would also be getting lots of backlash. But she isn't, because she is a professional, Megaman veteran that produces quality work.[/QUOTE]
geeeeeeeeeeeeee, i wonder why
why would somebody who has been harassed to all hell delete her messages? beats me!
[editline]12th December 2013[/editline]
where the fuck are you guys getting the notion that she's a character designer
[I][B][U]>>>>she's a community manager that draws stuff sometimes<<<<<[/U][/B][/I]
[QUOTE=The blog Smashing Good posted;43156589]
People who resort to "you just don’t like her cos she’s a girl" and “a genderswap is fine, what’s the big deal?” arguments are strawmanning and derailing from the actual issue at hand.[/quote]
Interesting that this blog spends almost a quarter of that article attacking her for "SJW antics", rather than her qualifications. Pot, meet kettle. Also:
[QUOTE=The blog Smashing Good posted;43156589]
Many games have suffered from just being an outlet for leftist(ish) propaganda[/quote]
Sure smells like /pol/ in here...
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;43163415]Interesting that this blog spends almost a quarter of that article attacking her for "SJW antics", rather than her qualifiations. Pot, meet kettle. Also:
Sure smells like /pol/ in here...[/QUOTE]
that second quote completely negates anything the author is trying to say.
oh no!! us male gamers are victims of [I]social justice!!! [/I]
[QUOTE=Smashing Good;43156589][URL="http://superspecialawesomeattack.tumblr.com/post/69763976769/for-those-of-you-not-in-the-know"]Found a link explaining why people don't like Dina so much.[/URL]
Here's a brief rundown if you can't be bothered:
-Her artwork doesn't fit the Megaman style.
-She has a lack of experience with Megaman.
-Her twitter suggests that she was hired solely due to interpersonal relations (though arguably this happens in a lot of jobs).
-The backers are concerned with letting an amateur designing their game (apparently).
-She deleted all her tweets suggesting her unfamiliarity with the Megaman franchise. Also she labelled Megaman X as the best Megaman game. (Speaking as someone who has not played any Megaman games nor has backed the Kickstarter, I can't really provide an opinion on this point).
-Her twitter suggests that she is into social justice actions. Obviously some people are going to be turned off by this. The post itself covers this better than I can.
-Her suggestion to genderswap Beck is viewed pointless by some.
-Something concerning strawmen: Dina getting backlash has little to do with her gender. If this was true, then the female composer on the team would also be getting lots of backlash. But she isn't, because she is a professional, Megaman veteran that produces quality work.[/QUOTE]
It seems like people are just mad because she's a feminist and it's dumb that people are getting mad because of that
I'm glad she doesn't make art in the megaman style because [I]it's not a megaman game[/I]
i'm glad she hasn't played too many megaman games because [I][B]it's not a megaman game[/B][/I]
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43163433]that second quote completely negates anything the author is trying to say.
oh no!! us male gamers are victims of [I]social justice!!! [/I][/QUOTE]
seriously though, sometimes "social justice warrior" as an insult just straight up makes me laugh
it's like saying "you... you... person who considers other groups! how dare you stand up for other people!" it's hilarious, they're saying you should be selfish shitbirds like them
I didn't even finish watching cause it was so cringe worthy.
Having both Beck and Call both be playable is a really cool idea. But why switch the gender? What would that even accomplish? A small group of people would call it a tremendous victory for women in the industry while everyone else would just be confused. Having both genders represented equally sets a great example that [i]everyone[/i] plays games, and it won't confuse anyone.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43163510]seriously though, sometimes "social justice warrior" as an insult just straight up makes me laugh
it's like saying "you... you... person who considers other groups! how dare you stand up for other people!" it's hilarious, they're saying you should be selfish shitbirds like them[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between being considerate of other people and shoving your opinion in everyone's face
Like cool, I get it. People of other genders and sexualities want acceptance. Now please stop yelling at me.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;43167324]There's a difference between being considerate of other people and shoving your opinion in everyone's face
Like cool, I get it. People of other genders and sexualities want acceptance. Now please stop yelling at me.[/QUOTE]
I think his point is that "Social Justice Warrior" doesn't sound very insulting.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;43167361]I think his point is that "Social Justice Warrior" doesn't sound very insulting.[/QUOTE]
it's more insulting for the person who says it than the person on the receiving end
People are complaining because she got to be CM because her BF works on the game, she's a mediocre at best artist who (apparently) was promoted to being a designer and that she blatantly lied about playing Megaman games. This isn't a question about her gender or agenda, it's a question about how qualified she is. If this is about her gender then people would of thrown a shit fit that there was a women making the music for the game.
[QUOTE=Takuat;43167925]If this is about her gender then people would of thrown a shit fit that there was a women making the music for the game.[/QUOTE]
That's a dumb argument because I don't think the vast majority of people who are throwing a shitfit about this happening even noticed the composer in the first place
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43168077]That's a dumb argument because I don't think the vast majority of people who are throwing a shitfit about this happening even noticed the composer in the first place[/QUOTE]
It's mainly to point out that this shitstorm isn't centered around Dina's gender, as certain people believe, but rather her lack of professionalism and incompetence at her job.
A lot of backers dislike her, and she's earned the ire of many others outside the aforementioned group. It's not a good start for a supposed community manager.
[QUOTE=Smashing Good;43168137]It's mainly to point out that this shitstorm isn't centered around Dina's gender, as certain people believe, but rather her lack of professionalism and incompetence at her job.
A lot of backers dislike her, and she's earned the ire of many others outside the aforementioned group. It's not a good start for a supposed community manager.[/QUOTE]
No one would have thrown a fit and started digging up things on her if the CM had been male instead, and you know it. Gamers always love to scrutinize women that enter the circle of gaming (see: all the "fake geek girl" bullshit), but never men.
Like, if a man starts a new geeky hobby, he's always a welcome convert to the cause, someone coming into the light, one of us one of us one of us, but if it's a woman, you always hear shit like "i bet you're just doing this for attention" "you don't really like X/Y/Z" etc
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43168077]That's a dumb argument because I don't think the vast majority of people who are throwing a shitfit about this happening even noticed the composer in the first place[/QUOTE]
Manami Matsumae being the composer was actually a pretty huge deal for both MN9 and Shovel Knight. The whole thing boils down to being a woman combined with a lack of credentials.
Like, if Dina were a man and man-Dina posted that awful gender-swapped picture and was later made a community manager, the reaction would have been "lol w/e just dont let him draw anything" at the very worst.
Because Dina is a woman, they immediately put her under a much further scrutiny. WHY did she get hired????? Is she a REAL gamer???? Better dig through thousands of tweets to find a single damning one to prove that she isn't!!!!
This whole situation stinks a fat one. Anyone that tries to rationalize it in the favor of her detractors also stinks a fat one. A girl was made a mod on a forum because she knows a guy and likes to draw. Big fuckin' whoop. Don't have to put her credentials under a microscope just because she's a girl.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43168077]That's a dumb argument because I don't think the vast majority of people who are throwing a shitfit about this happening even noticed the composer in the first place[/QUOTE]
I don't get the implication here? Could you be more clear? Are you saying that she wasn't noticed or people would throw shitfits if she was?
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43168233]No one would have thrown a fit and started digging up things on her if the CM had been male instead, and you know it. Gamers always love to scrutinize women that enter the circle of gaming (see: all the "fake geek girl" bullshit), but never men.[/QUOTE]
brilliant straw man
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43168233]No one would have thrown a fit and started digging up things on her if the CM had been male instead, and you know it. Gamers always love to scrutinize women that enter the circle of gaming (see: all the "fake geek girl" bullshit), but never men.
Like, if a man starts a new geeky hobby, he's always a welcome convert to the cause, someone coming into the light, one of us one of us one of us, but if it's a woman, you always hear shit like "i bet you're just doing this for attention" "you don't really like X/Y/Z" etc[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure people are scrutinizing Dina because she's not very good at her job.
nevermind guys let's not argue the facts lets just throw out wild accusations that everyone is doing this because shes FEMALE
[QUOTE=Smashing Good;43168301]I'm pretty sure people are scrutinizing Dina because she's not very good at her job.[/QUOTE]
her job is a mod on a forum
a "community manager"
her job is to go around and look at fan art and say "wow guys good fan art!" in order to build PR and occasionally answer questions on a forum
her entire job interview was probably "hey guys, my girlfriend speaks fluent English and wants to help! think we can give her a job talking to English-speakers?"
why are people flipping their shit so goddamned hard when her job is nothing more than "go-between for English and Japanese speakers/forum moderator"
you don't NEED any sort of credentials in the first place to look at fanart and say it's nice, even if your fanart sucks a fat one
so what part of her job is she "not very good at?" the part where she speaks English or the part where she says that fanart looks pretty?
People are mad because she had a feminist agenda as evident from her now deleted Tweets and then she claimed to be an artist/designer on the project alongside being the community manager. I don't think I have to spell out that Feminist having an influence on the game = bad. She also admitted to not being a Mega Man fan at all despite working on MN9. Now apparently they claim she has no influence on the game's development despite her claiming that she helped design some robots.
This is all assuming the video in the OP hasn't got any forged evidence.
[editline]13th December 2013[/editline]
So in short people were mad because:
1. She's a Feminist
2. She isn't a Mega Man fan
Nothing to do with her gender, jesus christ. Watch the video.
[QUOTE=ashxu;43168359] I don't think I have to spell out that Feminist having an influence on the game = bad. [/QUOTE]
Actually you really do. I'm genuinely interested in why you think someone who has an ideology or political belief you don't agree with shouldn't be involved in the game design process.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;43168336]her job is a mod on a forum
a "community manager"
her job is to go around and look at fan art and say "wow guys good fan art!" in order to build PR and occasionally answer questions on a forum
her entire job interview was probably "hey guys, my girlfriend speaks fluent English and wants to help! think we can give her a job talking to English-speakers?"
why are people flipping their shit so goddamned hard when her job is nothing more than "go-between for English and Japanese speakers/forum moderator"
you don't NEED any sort of credentials in the first place to look at fanart and say it's nice, even if your fanart sucks a fat one
so what part of her job is she "not very good at?" the part where she speaks English or the part where she says that fanart looks pretty?[/QUOTE]
From what I can gather, she is supposed to be the link between the community and the developers. Except that a good portion of the community doesn't like her, so there's that. A lot of people feel that her views don't represent theirs, and that she isn't all that in touch with the fanbase (this is linked to her declaring that sole Megaman game is played is the best one, apparently).
She also hasn't been addressing the concerns or complaints directed towards her, from what I've heard as well.
Dina is more than a mod on the forum. She's the voice of the community, who compiles the opinions and thoughts of the masses to the seniors to analyze. And in my opinion, she hasn't spoken very well.
What she should do is make a clear-cut post that firmly explains her position and what it details, removing all ambiguity forever. Hopefully she'll actually do that in the coming days.
[QUOTE=Smashing Good;43168392]From what I can gather, she is supposed to be the link between the community and the developers. Except that a good portion of the community doesn't like her, so there's that.[/QUOTE]
How is that a problem with her?
It's a problem with how toxic this community is *regardless* of the dominant gender.
[QUOTE=ashxu;43168359]People are mad because she had a feminist agenda as evident from her now deleted Tweets and then she claimed to be an artist/designer on the project alongside being the community manager. Now apparently they claim she has no influence on the game's development despite her claiming that she helped design some robots.
This is all assuming the video in the OP hasn't got any forged evidence.[/QUOTE]
"feminist agenda" what
what's wrong with that
last time I checked (and I'm willing to admit that the last time I consciously checked this was fucking never), thinking that women get a pretty bum rap in society all things considered doesn't make you a bad person
and as far as "pushing a feminist agenda on the game" as an issue is concerned, she just put forth the idea of having an option where you can play as a girl which is seriously not a big deal considering some of the stuff I've read on tumblr
"I'd like to play as a girl" =! "I want all men to die womyn 4 lyfe"
im way too tired to keep this shit up so I'm just gonna conclude my serious business thinking with this thought: there's probably no cause for any concern whatsoever unless we get the finalized design for Call in a couple of weeks and she's got giant wax lips and three moles on her face and considering how many people are involved in both character design and art asset development between Comcept and Inti Creates, I highly doubt that it'll come to that fucking ever
so there's nothing to worry about who even cares
[QUOTE=ashxu;43168359][editline]13th December 2013[/editline]
So in short people were mad because:
1. She's a Feminist
2. She isn't a Mega Man fan
Nothing to do with her gender, jesus christ. Watch the video.[/QUOTE]
yeah I did watch the video actually and a significant portion of it was dedicated to shitting on her because she was a woman
and by "a significant portion" I mean "the actual entire video"
[QUOTE=The Calzone;43168406]"feminist agenda" what
im way too tired to keep this shit up so I'm just gonna conclude my serious business thinking with this thought: there's probably no cause for any concern whatsoever unless we get the finalized design for Call in a couple of weeks and she's got giant wax lips and three moles on her face and considering how many people are involved in both character design and art asset development between Comcept and Inti Creates, I highly doubt that it'll come to that fucking ever
so there's nothing to worry about who even cares[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. Some people are taking this shitstorm way too seriously. But I do wish that Dina would clarify her position on the team. It would make things much calmer.
edit: on a side note, some backers have been successfully demanded refunds. one guy got back $7000+, if i remember correctly.
[QUOTE=ashxu;43168359]
So in short people were mad because:
1. She's a Feminist
2. She isn't a Mega Man fan
Nothing to do with her gender, jesus christ. Watch the video.[/QUOTE]
I can almost sympathize with #2. I don't get nearly involved emotionally enough into my games to be [B]mad [/B]at someone in a very hands-off role not being a super hardcore fan of a game but it's weird that their community interaction person doesn't seem to be that knowledgeable on the series or apparently even really played it except for one (admittedly good) example of it. Again, not sure I'd be upset, but it's definitely a thing you can point out. Nowhere near evidence for nepotism but that words lost all meaning these days so whatever.
I have no idea why people are getting mad about #1 though. I'm not a feminist myself but I don't really see anything wrong with a community manager being one. Even when it comes to supporting feminism it seems her most audacious crimes is suggesting a gender swap for the main character, which is unnecessary and weird for sure, but also having the audacity to argue for a stronger female secondary character or retweeting vaguely feminist (but not really) tweets she agrees with.
Honestly this whole video seems to be needlessly alarmist, and I can see why the author is rather obviously getting tired of being told to relax, because he really is getting upset over really inconsequential things. What's the worst case scenario? That she actually does have art input with regards to "robots"? So what is the logical conclusion then if we are to go by this video? How is she going to use her "agenda" to drive her radical feminist message through (presumably) 2D sprites of robots?
i remember when i was 9 and played video games to have fun and not argue about staffing decisions or misogyny
do u guys know who jade raymond is
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