Mighty Number Nope: The Dina Disaster - General

[QUOTE=TheCombine;43175245][url=http://lab.facepunch.com/search/forum/0/thread/0/user/127641/page/1/?q=gamers]Do you ever stop with this kind of post[/url][/QUOTE] Apparently not :v: . And he seems very unlikely to stop anytime soon. His posts are often snarky and passive-aggressive in tone when talking about this stuff. That may not be his intention but from reading his posts when talking about this sort of stuff he gives off that sort of vibe. And in this little debate he seems to like to state that the reason gamers don't like this Dina person is that she's a woman and nothing else.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43175308]No, he does it to make himself feel superior.[/QUOTE] Or, you know, because they're right and gamer culture is an obnoxious elitist pit of hate

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43176017]Or, you know, because they're right and gamer culture is an obnoxious elitist pit of hate[/QUOTE]He throws it around any chance he gets regardless of context. Its a shotgun approach. If you say it at every opportunity you get, you'll occasionally say it in context that it is applicable to. Then its just a matter of ignoring the more numerous times you missed.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43176048]He throws it around any chance he gets regardless of context. Its a shotgun approach. If you say it at every opportunity you get, you'll occasionally say it in context that it is applicable to. Then its just a matter of ignoring the more numerous times you missed.[/QUOTE] It's pretty fucking hard to miss the unpleasantness of popular gamer culture It'd be like firing a shotgun at a mountain. Yeah a few pellets might hit the dirt below it or go past it but most are right on target

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43176075]It's pretty fucking hard to miss the unpleasantness of popular gamer culture It'd be like firing a shotgun at a mountain. Yeah a few pellets might hit the dirt below it or go past it but most are right on target[/QUOTE]It is a serious issue, but that doesn't mean every situation is one that it applies to. That's just hyperbolic.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;43175834]She did try to conceal aspects of herself, but it's likely because she feared that people would misinterpret the company as a whole. It looks admittedly sloppy, but I can't blame her for doing that after seeing this controversy. It's happening currently, people are demanding refunds since they assume that she's going to include "feminazi" narrative/designs. Aspects that don't have impact on the gameplay that they desire for. I thought that it was common that people knew that most creators rarely push their politics in commercial fiction, considering that they want to relate to the widest audience available. (Orson Card and his work)[/QUOTE] not sure if she made them known first or not but sloppy doesn't even cover it. of all the things she could have done to fix the situation, she made it worse when a few simple statements would've softened things. she really has proven herself unqualified for the job. like most stuff there's more than one issue here and her injecting her own agenda in is one of many, and a small one imo. the thing is though that although it makes sense to try to appeal to people, there's the assumption that some things are excempt from that, the same as you wouldn't try to make your game appeal to nazis as well as anti-nazis. unfortunately its handled poorly and you get flat out pandering that comes off as tasteless and where no-one really minds having female protagonists (shantae), it still causes a reactionary response because they fuck it up. [QUOTE=DaysBefore;43176017]Or, you know, because they're right and gamer culture is an obnoxious elitist pit of hate[/QUOTE] gamer culture is putrid shit and no-one going to argue that. the best representative of everyone's attitude would be joel mchale at VGX shitting all over everything and not giving a fuck, because that's how everyone feels about it. the thing is though that everyone knows you shouldn't adhere to that because its like swimming in a lake of piss. anyone male of female trying to fit in just screams "look, i'm up to my head in shit, am i a real gamer yet?"

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43176107]It is a serious issue, but that doesn't mean every situation is one that it applies to. That's just hyperbolic.[/QUOTE] Yeah well I'm not scouring his recent posts to see whether he has ever accused gamers of being sexist when they don't deserve it (That in itself would be hard to do) so I wouldn't really know [editline]13th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;43176113]gamer culture is putrid shit and no-one going to argue that. the best representative of everyone's attitude would be joel mchale at VGX shitting all over everything and not giving a fuck, because that's how everyone feels about it.[/quote] Yeah that's the best representative of gamer culture, some unrelated comedic actor being bored at a garbage promotional event dressed up like an award show, not the rape threats whenever a woman does anything related to video games that the frothing gamers don't like

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43176122]Yeah that's the best representative of gamer culture, some unrelated comedic actor being bored at a garbage promotional event dressed up like an award show, not the rape threats whenever a woman does anything related to video games that the frothing gamers don't like[/QUOTE] you know i've got the sense that whenever some tumblr dumbass talks about executing every white male that not only is that edgy stupidity rather than actual death threats, its not representative of the whole community. i mean its really easy to dismiss everyone based on some shock trolling and it makes you feel more secure in your views, but its just so dishonest and frankly kinda stupid.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;43176557]you know i've got the sense that whenever some tumblr dumbass talks about executing every white male that not only is that edgy stupidity rather than actual death threats, its not representative of the whole community. i mean its really easy to dismiss everyone based on some shock trolling and it makes you feel more secure in your views, but its just so dishonest and frankly kinda stupid.[/QUOTE] here's a thought if the gamer community, in its entirety, isn't as bad as those extremists who send death treats and ddos people, [I]why don't the rest of gamers TRY TO STOP THIS?[/I] by [I]NOT[/I] trying to stop any of this awful injustice, gamers are proving that they don't give a shit about anybody. every time something bad like this happens, all i see is these fucking stupid responses "it's just a few people lol" or "they're just games, silly!" why should we tolerate this type of behavior? why can't we call off people who make videos [I]railing on somebody supporting equal rights or making some fan art?[/I] why can't we ban people who spew out racist, sexist, and outright disgusting remarks in our games? any time someone with a big spotlight in the gaming community tries to come up with a solution, they get shit on. people whined and cried when valve started to issue out mutes for being a toxic fuck in dota 2. [I]people sent death and rape threats online because some lady had the AUDACITY to make a video series about sexism[/I] go back to my movie analogy. if you're a prick in a movie theater, people are going to yell at you and you're going to get ejected. why are we tolerating the most out-of-touch, toxic, and sociopathic fucks like the guy who made this video? [editline]13th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43175308]No, he does it to make himself feel superior.[/QUOTE] more like i throw it around because i'm tired of the horrible people in the gaming community. why else would i constantly ridicule gamers on threads other than to show how sick i am of asshole gamers? it's not to get a rise out of people, ~shocker~, i know. also sorry for making the subject of ~200 of my 18 thousand posts something about videogames on a videogame forum. [QUOTE=Manibogi;43175322]I knew he seemed familiar. Almost fooled me with your non-furry avatar, but your posts are still just as idiotic![/QUOTE] thanks for the input, wasn't aware that the content of my avatar somehow affected how good of a poster i am [editline]13th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Eonart;43176761]so one of the most respected members of the MN9 community is getting a refund and leaving because of Dina and wrote a bigass post about it basically saying she doesnt really have the qualifications to be a CM due to her actions lol[/QUOTE] got a link to this? i think it's hilarious that hardcore gam- oh, sorry, videogameplayers are like this. a guy who was willing to donate hundreds (thousands?) of dollars to a kickstarter project started to have a big crybaby fit over something that's completely irrelevant. i should boycott games based off of CMs on official forums now!!! it's my right as a videogameplayer.

[QUOTE=Eonart;43176761]so one of the most respected members of the MN9 community is getting a refund and leaving because of Dina and wrote a bigass post about it basically saying she doesnt really have the qualifications to be a CM due to her actions lol[/QUOTE] yeah, rip heavy01 he's right though, she fucked up the job royally. he's doing the smart thing that everyone who argues this shit should've done years ago, just leave because you're not accomplishing a damn thing and its pointless fuel to the fire. [QUOTE=milkandcooki;43176799]here's a thought if the gamer community, in its entirety, isn't as bad as those extremists who send death treats and ddos people, [I]why don't the rest of gamers TRY TO STOP THIS?[/I] by [I]NOT[/I] trying to stop any of this awful injustice, gamers are proving that they don't give a shit about anybody. every time something bad like this happens, all i see is these fucking stupid responses "it's just a few people lol" or "they're just games, silly!" why should we tolerate this type of behavior? why can't we call off people who make videos [I]railing on somebody supporting equal rights or making some fan art?[/I] why can't we ban people who spew out racist, sexist, and outright disgusting remarks in our games? any time someone with a big spotlight in the gaming community tries to come up with a solution, they get shit on. people whined and cried when valve started to issue out mutes for being a toxic fuck in dota 2. [I]people sent death and rape threats online because some lady had the AUDACITY to make a video series about sexism[/I] go back to my movie analogy. if you're a prick in a movie theater, people are going to yell at you and you're going to get ejected. why are we tolerating the most out-of-touch, toxic, and sociopathic fucks like the guy who made this video?[/QUOTE] same reason you dont viscously attack sjws who misrepresent your views and just spew pointless hatred, no fuckin point. in reality, they're doing what everyone should do, not feeding the troll. this ain't a movie theater and some dumbass yelling is a drop in the ocean. it only gets amplified when you pick up on it, spread it around, give it more attention. you'll never get rid of it completely, no chance in hell, but you're only making it worse by giving it attention. i dunno if you do it intentionally because a bad, hateful argument makes the other side look worse, or if you just naturally fly into a self-righteous rage, but trying to get idiots to stop doing stupid shit is like scratching a mosquito bite, good luck.

imagine caring about any of this

[QUOTE=Devodiere;43176878]yeah, rip heavy01 he's right though, she fucked up the job royally. he's doing the smart thing that everyone who argues this shit should've done years ago, just leave because you're not accomplishing a damn thing and its pointless fuel to the fire. same reason you dont viscously attack sjws who misrepresent your views and just spew pointless hatred, no fuckin point. in reality, they're doing what everyone should do, not feeding the troll. this ain't a movie theater and some dumbass yelling is a drop in the ocean. it only gets amplified when you pick up on it, spread it around, give it more attention. you'll never get rid of it completely, no chance in hell, but you're only making it worse by giving it attention. i dunno if you do it intentionally because a bad, hateful argument makes the other side look worse, or if you just naturally fly into a self-righteous rage, but trying to get idiots to stop doing stupid shit is like scratching a mosquito bite, good luck.[/QUOTE] naw, my point is more than that. i'm wondering why moderate gamers, like people here, are so against shit that will improve or add to gaming. everyone here who bitched about dota 2's mute system probably doesn't scream "fuck chinks" in every game, and everyone who bitched about anita probably hasn't sent her death threats or DDOSed her. i want to know why the moderate or well-adjusted gamers are so against the notion of having [I]representation[/I] of women, or something that will open up gaming for more people. imagine getting into gaming if you're a grill or trans. dudes don't get ridiculed based off of their gender identity when playing games, [I]but women do.[/I] that's why we need more represntation, that's why stuff like anita's videos are good. anything to point out sexism or inequality in the gaming community is great, but ohhh GAAAMERSS are so against that for some retarded-ass reason. tell me, what would have dina's art done to affect the final product? what kind of harm would her art do? actually this mn9 issue is a lot less serious than i'm making it out to be. it's a bunch of fucking whiners that are getting riled up by a stupid youtube video. they get sent into some state of primal rage when they see the words "girl gamer" "i haven't played much of X" "MC as a girl" or "feminism." [editline]13th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Shortyish;43176912]imagine caring about any of this[/quote] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow---AaOIEo[/media] repost, but basically [editline]13th December 2013[/editline] wait wait wait, i missed the first part of your post. [quote]he's right though, she fucked up the job royally. he's doing the smart thing that everyone who argues this shit should've done years ago, just leave because you're not accomplishing a damn thing and its pointless fuel to the fire.[/quote] are you for real praising heavy01 for taking back his donation [I]that's actually helping game development,[/I] because he doesn't like the community manager? you don't have to be a goddamn rocket scientists to figure out that community managers don't do much besides, i dunno, ~manage the community~

What happened to the whole " video games are meant to unwind and relieve stress " aspect of video games? Last I checked these things weren't supposed to be a civilian equivalent of the Yalta conference when it comes to development and community.

[QUOTE=Mr.95;43177031]What happened to the whole " video games are meant to unwind and relieve stress " aspect of video games? Last I checked these things weren't supposed to be a civilian equivalent of the Yalta conference when it comes to development and community.[/QUOTE] God forbid people discuss things outside of "yeah this game is pretty cool". I mean what I don't even understand your post.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43176924]naw, my point is more than that. i'm wondering why moderate gamers, like people here, are so against shit that will improve or add to gaming. everyone here who bitched about dota 2's mute system probably doesn't scream "fuck chinks" in every game, and everyone who bitched about anita probably hasn't sent her death threats or DDOSed her. i want to know why the moderate or well-adjusted gamers are so against the notion of having [I]representation[/I] of women, or something that will open up gaming for more people. imagine getting into gaming if you're a grill or trans. dudes don't get ridiculed based off of their gender identity when playing games, [I]but women do.[/I] that's why we need more represntation, that's why stuff like anita's videos are good. anything to point out sexism or inequality in the gaming community is great, but ohhh GAAAMERSS are so against that for some retarded-ass reason. tell me, what would have dina's art done to affect the final product? what kind of harm would her art do? actually this mn9 issue is a lot less serious than i'm making it out to be. it's a bunch of fucking whiners that are getting riled up by a stupid youtube video. they get sent into some state of primal rage when they see the words "girl gamer" "i haven't played much of X" "MC as a girl" or "feminism."[/quote] now thats a "why do you hate freedom?" question if there ever was one. for me i was going against anita because shes a dumbass and i disagreed on nearly all her points, not because she was a woman and not because i was against female representation. hell, if you look at these communities when you're not railing against rape threats there's plenty of good female representation, stuff no-one has any problem with whatsoever. makes me think there's more reasons for opposing someone than their gender, could be? the thing is its easy to yell and complain and think you're doing something when in reality you're making things worse. imo things have gotten worse since everyone started complaining that video games are sexist because crying about it makes you look like a persecuted special snowflake and puts you amongst the extreme dumbshits on tumblr. like whoever the fuck is the community manager fucks up their crowd control and PR, so too does half of this social justice crap and all it does is polarise people so those moderate ones who might have been swayed are told that they're all sexist and are the problem for not stopping idiots from doing stupid things, which as you can expect is not the best way to get them on your side. in general its incredibly ineffective and like this argument, is purely for ego stroking with not a damn thing accomplished. [quote]are you for real praising heavy01 for taking back his donation [I]that's actually helping game development,[/I] because he doesn't like the community manager? you don't have to be a goddamn rocket scientists to figure out that community managers don't do much besides, i dunno, ~manage the community~[/QUOTE] i respect his choice to rather than arguing about this stupid and pointless shit all day, to just get the fuck out. his one donation ain't helping shit and hes not under any delusion that it is, so just the decision to not fuck around with this bullshit is something good, better than doing like we are and being dickheads for shits n giggles.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;43177064]these posts are the visualization of the most useless opinion ever videogames are moving forward as an artform and as such, should be a bit more inclusive to everyone, and not by just making compromises that are found as dumb or shoehorned, but rather having competent writing staff and designers to make games that everyone can enjoy[/QUOTE] I guess wording was a bit bad but I was mainly wondering why it's always a stress filled or militaristic form of argument whenever it comes to these sort of topics. I mean you even sort of act as proof for my example, there's no need to insult me or belittle me but you just go ahead and declare me as having a useless opinion, the most useless opinion ever to be specific, there's no reason for stressful or militaristic arguments when it comes to things like this, it just devolves into shit flinging. Anyways we probably shouldn't continue on the topic, at least not in the thread that way we don't derail the main topic,my fault for bringing it up.

I think this whole fiasco is dumb both parties are at fault for different reasons, but you know what? They need to act like fucking adults and have some maturity about this whole issue. Gaming culture? Gamers, whatever you want to call them/us/everyone, isn't complete shit, ya there are a lot of really awful people but its nothing worse than I've seen from crazed music fans or sports fans, though hands down fighting games culture is the worst, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;43176878]yeah, rip heavy01[/QUOTE] I don't get why people are so crazy about that guy. Okay so he used to live in a shitty country or something. I could see that being relevant if this was some kind of charity but it's a kickstarter for a fucking video game. Not exactly a poor man's highest priority.

Oh yeah this video. I still wonder why its 3 minutes of random Ouya stuff and then suddenly a shitton of whining about a designer/Community manager of Mighty No. 9. The hell kind of point was he trying to make with the Ouya bit anyway? Oh, and the rest of the video I just find hilarious, acting as if she has any real power over the final decisions and gameplay.

snip, never mind

[QUOTE=Devodiere;43176878]yeah, rip heavy01 he's right though, she fucked up the job royally. he's doing the smart thing that everyone who argues this shit should've done years ago, just leave because you're not accomplishing a damn thing and its pointless fuel to the fire.[/QUOTE] Well, you're right about her not appearing too passionate about the project, but she didn't act antagonistic towards anyone. I personally think that it would be helpful if the community bolstered her interest in the series. It's a collaborative connection.

I think other people would have deserved the position as community manager a lot more than her because she just got the position because of relations. Why not put someone with more experience and better attitude into the position?

So like, what the fuck does a community manager even do? I really doubt this person is going to have any major impacts on the game itself.

[QUOTE=Katatonic717;43178340]So like, what the fuck does a community manager even do? I really doubt this person is going to have any major impacts on the game itself.[/QUOTE] Community managers are the people who are on social media and forums who announce when shit is going on and potentially organise events and so on and so forth.

[QUOTE=TheCombine;43175245]Did you miss the whole SWTOR debacle? Stanley Woo? Nope, I've only ever seen him post stupid shit on here. [url=http://lab.facepunch.com/search/forum/0/thread/0/user/127641/page/1/?q=gamers]Do you ever stop with this kind of post[/url][/QUOTE]

I too believe this shit is being blown way out of proportion, but you have to keep in mind that these people are fans who have been waiting for a new Megaman game for a very long time. When suddenly someone comes along who strongly hints that they don't care much about the game and they're trying to push their own agenda, I think it's understandable that the fans get pissed off. Especially if these fans have been personally investing money in it. I mean, compare it to this: Let's pretend or let's imagine that someway somehow the Steambox thing turned out to be a massive disaster and Valve was on the brink of bankruptcy. In order for Valve to get back on track, they want to finish off Half-Life 3, because it would generate a fuckton of sales and profit. So they launch some kind of backer program and everyone and their mom chips in, because hey, it's fucking Half-Life 3. Who wouldn't want to back that, right? Then some brony starts posting a shit ton of Half-Life ponyfication art, and starts making posts on the steam forums about how an important new character should be a talking pony, as appreciation to the many brony followers or something. Because this guy is somehow vaguely related to someone at Valve, they then actually get a job inside Valve as a community manager for the Half-Life 3 forum. The guy repeatedly drops hints that he has only played Episode 2, and states he's working on character design. He also acts like a mad cunt and bans anyone who brings up a discussion about not wanting ponies or furries in Half-Life 3. How would you react? I'm sure this place would be a complete shitstorm.

Well I think the woman is right because she is a woman and they can do no wrong. Also its megaman, a shit series, it deserves to be ruined.

[QUOTE=tr00per7;43178930]Also its megaman, a shit series, it deserves to be ruined.[/QUOTE] Do you go into every video game thread and shitpost or what, you seem to enjoy hopping into threads and saying "this game is shit".

[QUOTE=ashxu;43179003]Do you go into every video game thread and shitpost or what, you seem to enjoy hopping into threads and saying "this game is shit".[/QUOTE] Ohhh, you win, you figured me out.

[QUOTE=V12US;43178916]I too believe this shit is being blown way out of proportion, but you have to keep in mind that these people are fans who have been waiting for a new Megaman game for a very long time. When suddenly someone comes along who strongly hints that they don't care much about the game and they're trying to push their own agenda, I think it's understandable that the fans get pissed off. Especially if these fans have been personally investing money in it. I mean, compare it to this: Let's pretend or let's imagine that someway somehow the Steambox thing turned out to be a massive disaster and Valve was on the brink of bankruptcy. In order for Valve to get back on track, they want to finish off Half-Life 3, because it would generate a fuckton of sales and profit. So they launch some kind of backer program and everyone and their mom chips in, because hey, it's fucking Half-Life 3. Who wouldn't want to back that, right? Then some brony starts posting a shit ton of Half-Life ponyfication art, and starts making posts on the steam forums about how an important new character should be a talking pony, as appreciation to the many brony followers or something. Because this guy is somehow vaguely related to someone at Valve, they then actually get a job inside Valve as a community manager for the Half-Life 3 forum. The guy repeatedly drops hints that he has only played Episode 2, and states he's working on character design. He also acts like a mad cunt and bans anyone who brings up a discussion about not wanting ponies or furries in Half-Life 3. How would you react? I'm sure this place would be a complete shitstorm.[/QUOTE] are you honestly comparing women to bronies jesus christ seriously just think about that for a bit. i shouldn't even have to tell you why that's wrong. and besides from that, Dima doesn't actually have any impact on the game. so i honestly wouldn't care in the slightest if their community manager was a dick, because it has literally no impact on the actual fucking game. your entire argument is basically "oh no they hired someone i don't like to do an entirely irrelevant, pointless job on which neither their personality nor the job itself has absolutely any effect! rIP VLAVE 2014![I]!![/I]!"