Jewish girl tries to criticise Dr. Norman Finkelstein - and get shat on all over
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[QUOTE=Devodiere;21547161]Absolutely nothing. It had something to do with him mentioning Nazis and Jews suffered under them and that's offensive, then she started crying. She never actually made a point, just an emotional play to get sympathy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PelPix123;21550534]In case, for whatever reason, someone doesn't understand what's going on in this video:
The girl tried to justify the violence of the Israeli military by saying that Jews were almost exterminated. He called her out on that making absolutely no fucking sense at all.
I'm pretty sure it's what anyone intelligent would have done, he's just awesome.[/QUOTE]
this is not what happened at all, did you even watch the video
she never said [I]anything [/I]about Israeli violence being justified. What happened was he related the treatment of the palestinians by israeli jews (both gov't and civilians) to that of the Nazis towards the Jews, which [I]is [/I]both a valid and shocking statement. He must have expected a reaction for something like that, and he was right. This girl was just very sensitive about the Nazis and she mentioned to him that it was insulting that he would compare Israeli Jews to nazis, as it's something that still strikes deep in many jews.
she wasn't atempting to heckle or undermine him, she didn't even fight when he went off. She was so embarassed her face was in her hands, for fucks sake, the crowd is what purveyed it all.
the girl didn't overstep her boundaries at all, she has a valid point. It's [I]extremely [/I]callous to say something like that to an audience of jews. He's right in stating so, but that doesn't mean it's not in terrible taste. He said it to get a reaction, and got one
If he's right, then "taste" doesn't really apply anymore. No non-jew can say this and get away with it. He is a jew and he has got balls. Now tell me, who ELSE would dare say this, but him?
I've got a couple of friends at the University of Waterloo :buddy:
[QUOTE=Cassettic;21540091]Rate me, look down upon me, do whatever you want but I feel that the modern Jewish mentality is one of pure ignorance and radicalism. The girl at the microphone is clearly an example of this with her cringe worthy performance of fake tears and holding her hands on her head every time the camera was pointed at her. Up to this point in my life I can honestly say that I've disliked almost all religious Jews as well as their defenders and absolutely all Zionist Jews. Hopefully men like Dr. Finkelstein can lead and guide what appears to be the lost generation of their people.[/QUOTE]
hey guess what most Jews that actually support the brutality towards the Palestinians are the ones that live in Israel which only accounts for about a third of the Jews around the world, the rest live here (which represent about 48%) and then the rest are dispersed throughout Europe. Israelis are the only groups that overlook this shit, Americans know about it and fucking hate it. The reason that the ones in Israel support it? Not because they all have a victim complex about the holocaust, but because they have actually experienced the violence of Palestinian radicals in retaliation! Ie that's the same reason why in America we didn't give two fucks about racial profiling in airports against muslims, because we'd just been attacked by a small group of muslims so the whole country goes into superdefense mode and lumps all people into one group.
this generalized statement is a huge fucking insult to over half the population of jews around the world, most of whom acknowledge how terribly Palestinians are treated
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[QUOTE=G-Strogg;21555473]If he's right, then "taste" doesn't really apply anymore. No non-jew can say this and get away with it. He is a jew and he has got balls. Now tell me, who ELSE would dare say this, but him?[/QUOTE]
i would without hesitation
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;21555362]
the girl didn't overstep her boundaries at all, she has a valid point. It's [I]extremely [/I]callous to say something like that to an audience of jews. He's right in stating so, but that doesn't mean it's not in terrible taste. He said it to get a reaction, and got one[/QUOTE]
Harsh truths should NEVER be considered poor taste.
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[QUOTE=G-Strogg;21555473]If he's right, then "taste" doesn't really apply anymore. No non-jew can say this and get away with it. He is a jew and he has got balls. Now tell me, who ELSE would dare say this, but him?[/QUOTE]
Uh, I'm very anti-Israel whenever the subject comes up be it on Facepunch or the real world.
TH89 once compared me to the president of Iran actually
I did not understand what was happening in that video ):
But thank you for the explanation sir.
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[QUOTE=Ohforf;21551047]Still, they shouldn't be butthurt about it. Most of the people crying about nazis killing them don't have anything to do with the people killed back in WW2[/QUOTE]
I would be butthurt if my family was torchered for no good reason.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21557403]Harsh truths should NEVER be considered poor taste.[/QUOTE]
when it's point is to play at heart strings, as this was, yes, it should. Especially because while a general comparison is valid, to say that the actions of the Israeli government are on par with the systematic extermination of a group is a bit over the top. I'm not saying what the Israelis are doing are right, justified, or ethical in any way, however usage of the Nazis as a comparison in a room of jews has one purpose, and that is to beget emotional reaction.
Using the comparison to the Nazis in a room of Jews (for the purpose I suspect he had) is just as bad as whining that they should not be compared to the Jews - both are being done to bring an emotional stigma to the topic at hand and are trivializing the deaths of numerous people to do so little as to [B]prove a fucking point[/B].
However, if he legitimately believes that the actions of the Israeli government are on par with those of the Nazis, all the power to him.
[QUOTE=Cassettic;21540091]I feel that the modern Jewish mentality is one of pure ignorance and radicalism.[/QUOTE]
Woah woah woah. Modern Jewish mentality? It is so much more painful and complicated than that.
Judaism is the inviting mother who says she'll love you and nurture you, then when you are in her arms she'll smother and strangle you to death. Something I've personally lived through.
I love this guy, But whats up with the finger thing?
I do agree with him though, both of my grandparents were in concentration camps which is exactly why I hate the way Israeli's treat people.
[QUOTE=Ohforf;21551047]Still, they shouldn't be butthurt about it. Most of the people crying about nazis killing them don't have anything to do with the people killed back in WW2[/QUOTE]
Besides, it happened nearly 70 years ago. People need to get over it.
[QUOTE=xXDarklingXx;21539588]Girl is dumb. Guy is smart.[/QUOTE]
That's offensive to some of us who have lived under nazi rule.
yea, yea im late or i got ninja'd, im trying to start something :smug:
[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;21560109]Besides, it happened nearly 70 years ago. People need to get over it.[/QUOTE]
six million people died in some of the most horrifying ways possible
treating it so callously is extremely dickish
"my mother was thrown into an oven"
"get over it faggot"
This thread makes me sad... you know my grandfather died in the holocaust
he fell off his guard tower :(
Quite frankly in my opinion, I think Israel, and the other Arab nations are all at fault. Both have commited acts of violence torwards one another.
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;21562202]This thread makes me sad... you know my grandfather died in the holocaust
he fell off his guard tower :([/QUOTE]
Mine too. Some dumbass guard fell on him.
i hate jewish people who uses the holocaust as an excuse for everything, i mean, israel is doing basically the same shit to palestine as the nazi's did to the jewish.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21557403]Harsh truths should NEVER be considered poor taste.
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Uh, I'm very anti-Israel whenever the subject comes up be it on Facepunch or the real world.
TH89 once compared me to the president of Iran actually[/QUOTE]
Of course you are. I mean; who in the world likes Israel nowadays?
..ok that's an overstatement. But I'm just saying that I'd rather see Israeli troops out of Palestine, and vice versa (if there are any palestines in Israel)
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;21566908]Of course you are. I mean; who in the world likes Israel nowadays?
..ok that's an overstatement. But I'm just saying that I'd rather see Israeli troops out of Palestine, and vice versa (if there are any palestines in Israel)[/QUOTE]
Depends what you classify Palestine as. If you classify it as the Gaza Strip and West Bank, Israel doesn't have much of a presence there. They have a blockade up that prevents much aid from getting so that's kinda like occupying it. If you classify Palestine the way Arabs do, the entire state of Israel is sitting on it. Israel is just the term used for Occupied Palestine and all Jews need to be driven into the sea.
The problem is not that they are in each others land, it's that they aren't co-operating. Israelis are treating Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and West Bank shit and Palestinians only want the complete destruction of Israel. As long as they are shitheads towards each other, nothing will be solved.
This is art. if everyone who went over a certain line was told so, alot of ape wouldn't happen. i'm joining his fanclup if they aren't discriminating towards all jews.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21563671]Mine too. Some dumbass guard fell on him.[/QUOTE]
Wow. My grandfather just died right now from reading that hilarious post
I just found out my dad have several books on Norman Finkelstien.
This guy is amazing,
Awww snap.
Emotional shit right here.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21563671]Mine too. Some dumbass guard fell on him.[/QUOTE]
My grandfather broke his back and died trying to carry the bodies of 2 dead guards.
[QUOTE=Ohforf;21548951]Jews cry about the holocaust all the time, like seen in this video[/QUOTE]
no we don't
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[QUOTE=BrickInHead;21561622]six million people died in some of the most horrifying ways possible
treating it so callously is extremely dickish
"my mother was thrown into an oven"
"get over it faggot"[/QUOTE]
when you use it for sympathy and be hypocritical, then you deserve to be shut up. You didn't fucking pay attention to the video, did you?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;21578846]no we don't
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when you use it for sympathy and be hypocritical, then you deserve to be shut up. You didn't fucking pay attention to the video, did you?[/QUOTE]
Oh shit, using examples is hypocritical.
[QUOTE=Cassettic;21540091]Rate me, look down upon me, do whatever you want but I feel that the modern Jewish mentality is one of pure ignorance and radicalism. The girl at the microphone is clearly an example of this with her cringe worthy performance of fake tears and holding her hands on her head every time the camera was pointed at her. Up to this point in my life I can honestly say that I've disliked almost all religious Jews as well as their defenders and absolutely all Zionist Jews. Hopefully men like Dr. Finkelstein can lead and guide what appears to be the lost generation of their people.[/QUOTE]
You must not know many Jews. A huge portion of Jewish people (though I won't say a majority, it is very significant), particularly among educated city-dwellers, are not at all supportive of Israel.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;21561622]six million people died in some of the most horrifying ways possible
treating it so callously is extremely dickish
"my mother was thrown into an oven"
"get over it faggot"[/QUOTE]
I know it was horrible, but it was a long time ago. There's no reason to still be SO emotional about it. I'm not saying that it wasn't bad or that people shouldn't remember it, I'm just saying there's no reason to cry over it. It's like if my grandma died 10 years ago and I was still crying about it. There just isn't a point.
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