[QUOTE=Arachnidus;22015530]Give this man boxes[/QUOTE]
Its cool, the bandwagon smells like shit anyway.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;22015449]ahahahaha oh god he thinks christianity has been less brutal since the 1700s?
does he just completely ignore the protestant catholic conflict?[/QUOTE]
Keyword, 1700's. The world "grew up" already, but many people are still back several hundred years.
I don't think this is trying to decide a net-better religion over the ages, rather it is a critique that Islam needs to change to reciprocate the new age.
This guy speaks the truth.
The extremists and the theocratic governments behind them have been at this for 2,000 years, almost entirely because of the tug of war for Israel between the Jewish and the Muslims. Personally, I think Israel being a neutral nation unto itself where those who find value in it can visit freely is an excellent idea, but naturally the Muslim theocracies won't settle for anything less than claiming the entire region, so here we are, and given the United States supports Israel's existence as a nation, they see us as the enemy. All because Mommy and Daddy told them they had to share.
This, in the end, is all the extremists are: selfish children with guns and a complete disregard to the morality that would prevent rational people from targeting unarmed, unprovoked civilians.
I'm Christian, but I've said it for a long time now: the laws of man on Earth should be ENTIRELY devoid of religious influence, but religious freedom ought to be allowed. And this, thankfully, is where the world is heading. I don't agree with aborting children, but who am I to make someone else apply themselves to my religious beliefs? Whatever sins they commit are between themselves and whatever God they believe in, period. This, I believe, is what Jesus intended when he asked us not to judge our fellow man. As creatures of free will, man must have laws to govern themselves for the betterment of all, but while we ought to show concern for our fellows, we are not the ones for whom their sins matter. The laws of man should accommodate what everyone can reasonably agree upon, regardless of your faith, through logic and reason. This is what America was intended for.
I do not dislike religion, and I believe in mine, but I am not blind enough, nor am I obligated to force religion onto another. Those who do are why religion gets such a bad name, those who do are the reason the Catholic Church exists as a backwards mockery of the things valued by Christians, a Romanized version of Christianity taken up while completely missing the point, by the very nation who murdered the savior they proclaim to be their own.
Every theocracy of the past has been a tyrannical wasteland of irrationality. No better than the extremist Muslims were the Puritans, Christians who applied the Bible's rules as human law, which would be a dicey prospect even if the Bible weren't such a regrettably nebulous text, even by today's standards.
I do not believe in purging religion, but as the man so rightly said, there is no room in this world for the kind of logic and actions carried out by these people. Someday, hopefully soon, they will go too far, and the world at large will no longer play around pretending these theologies aren't inherently, unambiguously evil. Say what some will about interfering in the affairs of other nations, but the sooner these nations are civilized, the better. It will only take a single generation to be conceived in a world of reason for the right side to take hold.
Again, as the man said, Islam as a religion is almost no different from any other structurally, and yet it alone abandons reason to be slaves to the whim of scriptures that demand a world of Barbary. It is certainly not Universal. I happen to have worked alongside a Muslim man named Muhammad, well past his prime, and yet a finer example of a civilized human being I could scarcely find. He is who the world should envision when the word "Muslim" is mentioned, not these men who cry out threats and demand we forsake what took us hundreds of years to gain so we can sink down to their level.
Not here, not now, and not ever. Between the extremists, and us, only one will last the test of time, and I'll be damned if its not going to be us.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22015416]What the fuck is with FP and anti-Islam lately?
Jesus, get a god damn hobby. Stop with the propaganda bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because you are a douche if you hate terrorists :downs:
[QUOTE=LorencBag;22015118]I don't see why people are getting so bitchy about this. Theres hate around the worl everywhere, such as KKK or people driving cars into Mosques. But portraying prophets of ones religion to a joke is quite disrespectful. You don't see Muslims making fun or Jesus (or do they I dont know.)
Being a muslim myself, I've never heard such things to behead, cut off limbs in the Qu'ran. As far as I know, doing such actions is a sin. Taking a humans life for no reason is a sin, dying for your country isn't, theres a difference.
Its because of these people like the one in the video create such bullshit that ones religion can cause mass terroism.[/QUOTE]
But in order to marry a muslim, the other person have to convert to be a muslim too. Not very fair, I say.
I don't like the way he generalizes all muslims as extremists. And the way he says that if there is religion, we can't have clean water.
[QUOTE=Blargtastic;22017525]Yeah, because you are a douche if you hate terrorists :downs:[/QUOTE]
You are a douche if you think all of Islam = terrorists.
Generalizing a culture is still stupid, no matter what bullshit these idiots claim as fact.
this guy seriously sounds like a pretentious cunt.
there's a fuckton of muslims in the western world (and in the middle east, for that matter) that are as into "reason" as the rest of the religious world is
AND the whole reason for extremism isn't even rooted in religion, it's rooted in the conflicts between the middle east and the rest of the world, religious extremism simply serves as the middleman
fucks sake this guy is dumb
Like my step-dad says, Profiling works
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Was attacked by goats with very dangerous looking turbans
[QUOTE=DTkach;22015416]What the fuck is with FP and anti-Islam lately?
Jesus, get a god damn hobby. Stop with the propaganda bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Did you even watch the video? Serious shit is going on right now, and if being concerned about the state of the world isn't important to you, then it's you who needs to seriously re-evaluate their priorities. Islam is causing such an unbelievable step back in the world's state, that it's worth being interested in.
5:35 "Fantastic 4 Are On Their Way!"
[QUOTE=Elspin;22036065]Did you even watch the video? Serious shit is going on right now, and if being concerned about the state of the world isn't important to you, then it's you who needs to seriously re-evaluate their priorities. Islam is causing such an unbelievable step back in the world's state, that it's worth being interested in.[/QUOTE]
No, they aren't. Enjoy eating the large quantities of propaganda you are now being force-fed.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22032921]You are a douche if you think all of Islam = terrorists.
Generalizing a culture is still stupid, no matter what bullshit these idiots claim as fact.[/QUOTE]
Islam can be broken up into three groups - the extremists, the moderates who ignore extremists, and the moderates who condemn and speak out against the extremists.
The largest group is the moderates who ignore extremists.
They are just as bad.
To all the people saying "He's generalising all Muslims, he's racist", no. He isn't generalising all muslims and neither is anyone else. The only thing that is being criticized is the religion itself and those who follow it fanatically.
The Nazis and Fascist ideology was evil, that doesn't mean that every single german soldier was a goose-stepping Fuhrer-loving jew-killing fanatic. Authoritarian Communist reigemes killed millions and engaged in a Cold war with the west for over 40 years, that doesn't mean that everyone who lived in the Soviet Union was a sociopathic supersoldier willing to die for Stalin.
Just because there is one good person in the group, doesn't mean the rest aren't shitheads. You aren't going to sympathise with the Crusaders because you met one and he wasn't a bad guy, you aren't going to think better of the KKK because some of the members were good family men, you aren't going to sympathise with a Religion that wants to destroy you because they aren't part of a hive mind.
[QUOTE=Elspin;22036065]Did you even watch the video? Serious shit is going on right now, and if being concerned about the state of the world isn't important to you, then it's you who needs to seriously re-evaluate their priorities. Islam is causing such an unbelievable step back in the world's state, that it's worth being interested in.[/QUOTE]
Ya like Switzerland banning mosques and telling Muslims to get out, what ever happened to religious tolerance?
[QUOTE=emPiRe14;22037328]Ya like Switzerland banning mosques and telling Muslims to get out, what ever happened to religious tolerance?[/QUOTE]
Firstly, that never happened. The closest they have gotten is banning giant fucking towers that guys yell from and clothing equivalent to a motorcycle helmet.
Secondly, Religious tolerance is not an excuse to do whatever the fuck you want. The law of man goes above the law of god, Religions are allowed to do whatever they want within the law of man. If it's part of their religion to do something illegal, too bad.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22037274]To all the people saying "He's generalising all Muslims, he's racist", no. He isn't generalising all muslims and neither is anyone else. The only thing that is being criticized is the religion itself and those who follow it fanatically.[/QUOTE]
By saying "ISLAM IS HOLDING US BACK", yes he fucking is.
[quote]Just because there is one good person in the group, doesn't mean the rest aren't shitheads. You aren't going to sympathise with the Crusaders because you met one and he wasn't a bad guy, you aren't going to think better of the KKK because some of the members were good family men, you aren't going to sympathise with a Religion that wants to destroy you because they aren't part of a hive mind.[/quote]
Wow. You are completely ass backwards. So you meet a group of people from a certain region, and they are violent, you condemn the entire region to violence.
You meet a group who are friendly...and they are still violent?
Islam outnumbers the other religions in the world by quite a bit. The reason you see so much of these assholes is because THEY ARE ASSHOLES. The majority of Islam aren't trying to kill people, and aren't newsworthy.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22037212]Islam can be broken up into three groups - the extremists, the moderates who ignore extremists, and the moderates who condemn and speak out against the extremists.
The largest group is the moderates who ignore extremists.
They are just as bad.[/QUOTE]
No. There are a large group of Muslims who actively FIGHT the extremists for their slandering of the Qu'ran. Again, Islam is fucking huge. Just because a small percentage are crazy, doesn't mean the others HAVE to find them and stop them.
Christian extremists are almost as bad, they just have no way to get weapons...in great supply, anyway.
[QUOTE=DTkach;22037419]By saying "ISLAM IS HOLDING US BACK", yes he fucking is.[/quote]ISLAM is holding us back. Not Muslims, ISLAM. Learn the difference.
[quote]Wow. You are completely ass backwards. So you meet a group of people from a certain region, and they are violent, you condemn the entire region to violence.
You meet a group who are friendly...and they are still violent?[/quote]Well the first group is certainly still violent, they aren't redeemed because someone who shares their beliefs didn't stone people for adultery. As for deciding if their religion is a factor; when they scream holy war and kill in the name of their god, it's not that hard to figure out.
[quote]Islam outnumbers the other religions in the world by quite a bit. The reason you see so much of these assholes is because THEY ARE ASSHOLES. The majority of Islam aren't trying to kill people, and aren't newsworthy.[/quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations#Four_largest_religions]lol, no.[/url] The point you seem to be missing continuously is that this is not a conflict with Muslims, it's a conflict with Islam and the extremist following of it. I don't give a fuck if 99.9% of Muslims are peaceful, it doesn't change the fact that the ones who follow Islam strictly are still douchebags.
[quote]No. There are a large group of Muslims who actively FIGHT the extremists for their slandering of the Qu'ran. Again, Islam is fucking huge. Just because a small percentage are crazy, doesn't mean the others HAVE to find them and stop them.[/quote] It's not really their duty, no. If they don't care about Islams reputation and are fine just going about their daily lives then good for them. If some Muslims on the other hand care about the way Islam is percieved, then they should do everything in their power to make sure every example of extremism is condemned. Also, can you find me one of these anti-extremism groups? As far as I can tell it's all in your imagination.
[quote]Christian extremists are almost as bad, they just have no way to get weapons...in great supply, anyway.[/QUOTE]Look up some Christian militias in the US, they have enough guns for a small army. The difference being the US government doesn't allow them to get very big and rules entire regions, unlike Afghanistan and the Taliban or Gaza/Egypt and Hamas or anywhere else and the paramilitary groups that the government lets exist.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22037658]Well the first group is certainly still violent, they aren't redeemed because someone who shares their beliefs didn't stone people for adultery. As for deciding if their religion is a factor; when they scream holy war and kill in the name of their god, it's not that hard to figure out.[/QUOTE]
Oh, and the Crusades were nothing, right? And the fact that Christians teach their children to hate homosexuals, that's cool too?
Extremists aren't fucking unique to Islam.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22037658][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations#Four_largest_religions"]lol, no.[/URL] The point you seem to be missing continuously is that this is not a conflict with Muslims, it's a conflict with Islam and the extremist following of it. I don't give a fuck if 99.9% of Muslims are peaceful, it doesn't change the fact that the ones who follow Islam strictly are still douchebags.[/QUOTE]
And I agree completely. But if you start talking about how violent Islam itself is, you are a fucking idiot. The religion isn't to blame, its the douches who take it too fucking far. Generalization is BAD.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22037658]It's not really their duty, no. If they don't care about Islams reputation and are fine just going about their daily lives then good for them. If some Muslims on the other hand care about the way Islam is percieved, then they should do everything in their power to make sure every example of extremism is condemned. Also, can you find me one of these anti-extremism groups? As far as I can tell it's all in your imagination.[/QUOTE]
The Sunni and Shiite are constantly fighting with each other, and are two different branches of Islam. I can't remember which represents which, but yes, Islam does fight back against the extremists.
And besides, what about the Christians who harass homosexuals, or molest children? The other members of Christianity don't make it their life mission to destroy them. You can't expect anything more of the people of Islam. They may care about their religion, but many people just want to live normal lives without violence, and they aren't going to put themselves in harms way because these radicals are besmirching Islam.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22037658]Look up some Christian militias in the US, they have enough guns for a small army. The difference being the US government doesn't allow them to get very big and rules entire regions, unlike Afghanistan and the Taliban or Gaza/Egypt and Hamas or anywhere else and the paramilitary groups that the government lets exist.[/QUOTE]
Shitty government? Not unique to the Middle East.
Look, if you want to call the extremists assholes, go right ahead. If you say religion in general is fucking stupid, I agree fully. But when you say Islam, specifically, is to blame, then I have a problem.
Need a Zing rating for the creator of the video
He's pretty right on... Islam is stuck between the Age of Reasoning and the Christian Dark Ages timeline while everyone else has moved on, And Islam doesn't like it
People who believe that they should terrorize the non believers because a book written to control the masses 2000 years ago says so absolutely has no place in the first world
[QUOTE=DTkach;22037810]Oh, and the Crusades were nothing, right? And the fact that Christians teach their children to hate homosexuals, that's cool too?
Extremists aren't fucking unique to Islam.[/quote]Of course not, but the Crusades were a long time ago with a very different Chritianity. As for the hmosexual thing, I think I prefer Christinas teaching their kids to hate Homosexuals over places like Iran where it is both Illegal and punishable by death.
[quote]And I agree completely. But if you start talking about how violent Islam itself is, you are a fucking idiot. The religion isn't to blame, its the douches who take it too fucking far. Generalization is BAD.[/quote]Let me spell it out for you; Religion is bad. Most of Christianity discarded most of the Dogma and stupid laws in the age of enlightenment, Islam didn't. Most of Christianity made itself not a menace to progress and no-one worried about it, Islam didn't. There are some Islamic groups that have discarded most of the Dogma, laws and what some would call the essence of Islam, but they are not the problem. It's sometimes easy to forget that Turkey is a Muslim country, because they do not follow Islam strictly. THE LESS YOU FOLLOW THE RELIGION, THE LESS OF AN EXTREMIST YOU ARE. THAT IS THE ONLY FACTOR.
[quote]The Sunni and Shiite are constantly fighting with each other, and are two different branches of Islam. I can't remember which represents which, but yes, Islam does fight back against the extremists.[/quote]I hate to break it to you but the Sunni-Shiite conflict is not about extremism. The divide was formed over who would rule the Islamic world after Muhammad died, basicaly a power struggle. Neither side is rational as one side has Saudi Arabia and the other has Iran, they are more like Protestants and Catholics than extremists and anti-extremists.
[quote]And besides, what about the Christians who harass homosexuals, or molest children? The other members of Christianity don't make it their life mission to destroy them. You can't expect anything more of the people of Islam. They may care about their religion, but many people just want to live normal lives without violence, and they aren't going to put themselves in harms way because these radicals are besmirching Islam.[/quote]They do. When it came out about Catholic priests abusing children, everyone spoke out. Every single Christian disaproved of the Catholic church abusing chrildren and no-one ever claimed that any Christianity induced killing was ever right. Every christian hates the WBC and stupid televangelists, why can't Muslims be the same?
[quote]Shitty government? Not unique to the Middle East.[/quote]Fair enough, there really aren't any good Islamic governments so that's a nice compromise.
[quote]Look, if you want to call the extremists assholes, go right ahead. If you say religion in general is fucking stupid, I agree fully. But when you say Islam, specifically, is to blame, then I have a problem.[/QUOTE]
It's not Islam specificaly, it's just that Islam is so much more extreme than everyone else that they are more than 90% of the problem. Fred Phelps is an extremist but he never brought out a sword in the middle of a sermon and told everyone to behead the Swedes.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;22038023]Need a Zing rating for the creator of the video
He's pretty right on... Islam is stuck between the Age of Reasoning and the Christian Dark Ages timeline while everyone else has moved on, And Islam doesn't like it
People who believe that they should terrorize the non believers because a book written to control the masses 2000 years ago says so absolutely has no place in the first world[/QUOTE]
Whos fueling your economy with gas, oil and many other products you deem essential? Who created Algebra and had major breakthroughs in medicine? Oh look! Its the allegedly backwards muslims!
I think you have never met a single muslim person in your entire life, and I think thats the problem with people like you and the guy in the video, they never really met any muslims and then take what they need from the media.
FYI: I am a muslim, and I am disgusted that some people can be so prejudiced and so misinformed that they conceive conclusions which may apply to a small amount of people and then generalize it onto an entire religion. And one of Islams cornerstones (For the people who think Islam is holding all of us back) is "The pursuit of knowledge and science is a form of worship".
And for those who say that Islamic law is also holding all of us back, think about it, Banks following Islamic laws about finances and regulating economy were the only banks making profits during the economic crash of last year. (Interest is banned by islam)
But I know I can't change the way you think, because you have already made your conclusion about us, And it saddens me that you are no more free-minded than the extremists you talk about.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;22038559]Whos fueling your economy with gas, oil and many other products you deem essential? Who created Algebra and had major breakthroughs in medicine? Oh look! Its the allegedly backwards muslims!
I think you have never met a single muslim person in your entire life, and I think thats the problem with people like you and the guy in the video, they never really met any muslims and then take what they need from the media.
FYI: I am a muslim, and I am disgusted that some people can be so prejudiced and so misinformed that they conceive conclusions which may apply to a small amount of people and then generalize it onto an entire religion. And one of Islams cornerstones (For the people who think Islam is holding all of us back) is "The pursuit of knowledge and science is a form of worship".
And for those who say that Islamic law is also holding all of us back, think about it, Banks following Islamic laws about finances and regulating economy were the only banks making profits during the economic crash of last year. (Interest is banned by islam)
But I know I can't change the way you think, because you have already made your conclusion about us, And it saddens me that you are no more free-minded than the extremists you talk about.[/QUOTE]
I cannot speak for everyone, but I have no beef with Muslims. As a Christian myself, both religions are rooted in the same tellings, even if they've gone in wildly different directions. I meet Muslims here in America all the time, and they're very level-headed from my perception. As mentioned, Christianity and Islam both include laws that make no logical or ethical sense, and those who understand this at the very least follow their faith, or are taught to follow their faith in a sense that is rational. Under the rule of a nation that is neutral and permissive, but uninvolved with religion, things are better for everyone. Laws are based on what everyone can agree on, and do not cater to the beliefs of one over the many.
The Middle East however, is Theologian. Religion is law, and everything irrational about it comes with it. Naturally, we can't paint all Middle-Easterners with the same brush. Every region is bound to have its share of contributions that benefit the world as a whole, most of which discovered by individuals of uncommon aptitude one way or another. Nobody is arguing that, and they'd be foolish to do so.
However, even if certain ideals allow them to dodge economic bullets, Theocratic governments are run according to something that did not by any means plan for that. It's entirely accidental, and hardly an argument against the fact that the mid-east is a cautionary tale about what happens when you allow a religion to decide laws that will be enforced by people absolutely.
As I said, the same thing happened with the Puritan villages and Christianity. The notorious SNAFU of the Salem Witch Trials demonstrated that Barbarism is what you get when you apply any religion to law verbatim. Ever hear of the guy who invented the type-face? When he printed documents using a press and the result was perfect identical lettering, he almost got burned at the stake because people though such a simply explained thing was witchcraft.
The bottom line is, Islam isn't the problem. The problem is that the middle-eastern region which happens to have Islam as the popular religion, are theocratic nations. Of course, that isn't all there is to it. The placement of monuments and places considered sacred by several religions is relevant to the religious fervor, especially in how all all the surrounding nations want those landmarks for themselves. They attract the more extreme religious believers, which really makes a lot of it inevitable. I'm sure if these places and monuments of religious significance were somehow in Detroit instead of Israel, we'd find a lot of sudden changes occur in Michigan and the Great Lakes in general.
I will note however that whatever I may say against the Catholic Church, the Vatican is almost itself a theocracy, but as far as I'm aware hasn't inspired more Barbaric backwards-logic than is typical of a religion. Make of that what you will.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;22038559]Whos fueling your economy with gas, oil and many other products you deem essential? Who created Algebra and had major breakthroughs in medicine? Oh look! Its the allegedly backwards muslims![/quote]Like oil is anything other than a natural rescource that you happen to be sitting on. As for Algebra and most other discoveries atributed to the Arabs, Arab regions were major trade routes in the ancient world and you happened to be rich because of it. Once you have the money, you just steal things from the Indians and other cultures. Either way, past achievements don't say shit about who you are now.
[quote]I think you have never met a single muslim person in your entire life, and I think thats the problem with people like you and the guy in the video, they never really met any muslims and then take what they need from the media.[/quote]I know lots of Muslims. The good ones don't really follow Islam too closely. How exactly do you know that people in these backwards regions aren't like they say in the media? You know a lot about the Muslim culture around you but how much do you know about more extreme circles?
[quote]FYI: I am a muslim, and I am disgusted that some people can be so prejudiced and so misinformed that they conceive conclusions which may apply to a small amount of people and then generalize it onto an entire religion. And one of Islams cornerstones (For the people who think Islam is holding all of us back) is "The pursuit of knowledge and science is a form of worship".[/quote]Not really scientific pursuit really, more spiritual knowledge and things that have no worldly point to them. Anything done for status or wealth or anything non-theological really isn't included in it.
[quote]And for those who say that Islamic law is also holding all of us back, think about it, Banks following Islamic laws about finances and regulating economy were the only banks making profits during the economic crash of last year. (Interest is banned by islam)[/quote]House prices went down, Oil did not. Both Christians and Jews also had the no interest law, then they became sensible.
[quote]But I know I can't change the way you think, because you have already made your conclusion about us, And it saddens me that you are no more free-minded than the extremists you talk about.[/QUOTE]Aw, how sad. You are a picked on minority and everyone will always judge you by imaginary extremists. Get over your victim complex, realise religion in general is counter-productive and learn get along with everyone. You'll do fine.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;22033762]this guy seriously sounds like a pretentious cunt.
there's a fuckton of muslims in the western world (and in the middle east, for that matter) that are as into "reason" as the rest of the religious world is[/QUOTE]
A "fuckton"? Sounds like a loose estimation to me.
Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that the middle east is full of backwards societies where women are stoned to death for adultery.
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[QUOTE=Devodiere;22038106]Of course not, but the Crusades were a long time ago with a very different Chritianity. As for the hmosexual thing, I think I prefer Christinas teaching their kids to hate Homosexuals over places like Iran where it is both Illegal and punishable by death.[/QUOTE]
But its not illegal or punishable by death in other primarily Islamic countries, such as Kuwait. Iran and places like it are societies stuck in the past, but cannot classify the entire Middle East as such. There are equally as many places in Africa that have complete social chaos and disorder.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22038106]Let me spell it out for you; Religion is bad[/QUOTE]
I agree.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22038106]Most of Christianity discarded most of the Dogma and stupid laws in the age of enlightenment, Islam didn't. Most of Christianity made itself not a menace to progress and no-one worried about it, Islam didn't. There are some Islamic groups that have discarded most of the Dogma, laws and what some would call the essence of Islam, but they are not the problem. It's sometimes easy to forget that Turkey is a Muslim country, because they do not follow Islam strictly. THE LESS YOU FOLLOW THE RELIGION, THE LESS OF AN EXTREMIST YOU ARE. THAT IS THE ONLY FACTOR.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Originally, holy books such as the Qu'ran and the Bible were there to impose morals to people. If you were able to perceive these morals, you can benefit from them. But some people take them as total gospel, as ironic as that is, which just isn't right. Like the idiots who think Adam and Eve truly existed. The stories are just stories, but people don't seem to get that.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22038106]I hate to break it to you but the Sunni-Shiite conflict is not about extremism. The divide was formed over who would rule the Islamic world after Muhammad died, basicaly a power struggle. Neither side is rational as one side has Saudi Arabia and the other has Iran, they are more like Protestants and Catholics than extremists and anti-extremists.[/QUOTE]
If I recall correctly, it extends further then that. One side takes the true Qu'ran and follows it faithfully, and the other side twists its words to make it all about "Killing the infidels". So really, it is extremists VS extremists, but one side is following the true Qu'ran, which doesn't actual say its ok to kill innocent people.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22038106]They do. When it came out about Catholic priests abusing children, everyone spoke out. Every single Christian disaproved of the Catholic church abusing chrildren and no-one ever claimed that any Christianity induced killing was ever right. Every christian hates the WBC and stupid televangelists, why can't Muslims be the same?[/QUOTE]
Who says they don't? Many Muslims hate terrorist organizations such as Al'Qaeda more then we do, because they are basically spreading heresy. They openly hate them, but there's one thing to say you disapprove, and another thing entirely to take action.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22038106]It's not Islam specificaly, it's just that Islam is so much more extreme than everyone else that they are more than 90% of the problem. Fred Phelps is an extremist but he never brought out a sword in the middle of a sermon and told everyone to behead the Swedes.[/quote]
Lets not forget that our good friends the KKK were Christian extremists, who hung, burned, and maimed various African Americans during the Civil Rights movement. They are a domestic terrorist organization. Then there are skin heads and other anti-everything Christians. Islam isn't alone in extremism.
If you're kept up with Thunderfoot's videos this is related to the cause.
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