[QUOTE=Android phone;29135799]no, you can't confiscate property just because someone is trespassing, and they said it was their school campus so chances are they weren't actually trespassing and the cop was just being a dick
he also tried to take the camera which is 100% illegal in that situation for various reasons[/QUOTE]
When people trespass on my property I take their shit. Be it treestands, guns, alcohol, or whatever they bring with them. Ive had them bring police back and the police have been on my side stating I had the right to do so.
[QUOTE=KillerPopcorn;29135942]I don't think you are aware of how much a skateboard can cost.[/QUOTE]
Oh but I do which is why I would of just snapped it in two and handed it back.
[QUOTE=Big Orca;29136520]Security guards have no authority, and how the hell is that trespassing? It's public fucking property! You have obviously never experienced modern culture first-hand.[/QUOTE]
College campuses are owned by the college. While on the campus you are required to follow the rules. Skateboarding on campus is generally not allowed and can get you kicked off the property. A security guard has authority over the property because he is hired by the people who actually own the place.
Not surprised the general user on Facepunch doesnt understand how shit works.
just because the cops said it was okay to take people's shit for trespassing doesn't mean it's legally okay
you can place them under citizen's arrest until the cops show up but you can't take their shit and I guarantee you you can't take any cameras they have, you'd get in so much shit for confiscating potential evidence
[QUOTE=Android phone;29158575]but you can't take their shit[/QUOTE]
Say that to all the cool shit Ive taken from people who have trespassed. As I said, new treestand, few rifles, couple handguns, coolers, lawn chairs, and a few hunting tents. Never gave it back, few times cop have come with the people who claimed that I stole it. Explained the situation to the police and they left without anymore questions.
and if they had any common sense they could have you arrested for theft
[QUOTE=Android phone;29158701]and if they had any common sense they could have you arrested for theft[/QUOTE]
Property is clearly marked No Trespassing. Each sign mentions you trespass at your risk including but not limited to property confiscation, property damage, fines, and arrest.
The same applies to a college campus, if you are violating the rules you can have your property confiscated if it was part of the crime/violation. I should know I work at a University.
Edit:
Oh and one thing you all failed to recognize in your angst is the fact that if one of these Skater kids injured themselves or someone else the campus would be liable.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;29158795]Property is clearly marked No Trespassing. Each sign mentions you trespass at your risk including but not limited to property confiscation, property damage, fines, and arrest.
The same applies to a college campus, if you are violating the rules you can have your property confiscated if it was part of the crime/violation. I should know I work at a University.
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Oh and one thing you all failed to recognize in your angst is the fact that if one of these Skater kids injured themselves or someone else the campus would be liable.[/QUOTE]
College campuses aren't marked with "No Trespassing" signs and if it isn't posted it doesn't apply.\
Also you sound like a huge asshole, confiscate their stuff and then don't give it back.
[QUOTE=Ali Legend;29128834]as he was driving off one dude grabbed the vehicle (maybe pushing it off course and making it crash) and another dude came in to grab the skateboard.[/QUOTE]
The skater grabbed his skateboard from the vehicle as the cop was driving away, he tried to drive and stop him from grabbing it, but couldnt drive and crashes
I feel for the security guard, I mean after driving into the wall you cant really make a smooth recovery from that, the only way to not look like a pussy after that is going balls deep, and he went balls deep. RESPECT
[QUOTE=superdinoman;29158681]Say that to all the cool shit Ive taken from people who have trespassed. As I said, new treestand, few rifles, couple handguns, coolers, lawn chairs, and a few hunting tents. Never gave it back, few times cop have come with the people who claimed that I stole it. Explained the situation to the police and they left without anymore questions.[/QUOTE]
Now you're just acting like a dick because the law is on your side. "Ethical" and "legal" are two totally different things.
[QUOTE=Chernzobog;29161040] "Ethical" and "legal" are two totally different things.[/QUOTE]
I have the right to defend my property so does any business like a college. When you bring anything onto someone else's property it becomes subject to their rules. If you violate their rules they have the right to confiscate the items for an indeterminate amount of time. In the case of this video the college would have made them fill out some forms to get their items back, in the case of my property Im keeping your items because you're a trespassing faggot who shouldnt be trying to hunt or do drugs on my property.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;29161143]I have the right to defend my property so does any business like a college. When you bring anything onto someone else's property it becomes subject to their rules. If you violate their rules they have the right to confiscate the items for an indeterminate amount of time. In the case of this video the college would have made them fill out some forms to get their items back, in the case of my property Im keeping your items because you're a trespassing faggot who shouldnt be trying to hunt or do drugs on my property.[/QUOTE]
You don't own the campus, you're hired to uphold the rules of the people that do. I'm very interested at which campus you work at and what their code is. I'd like to see where exactly it says "our faggot security guards can blatantly take your shit and keep it".
[QUOTE=FFStudios;29161486]"our faggot security guards can blatantly take your shit and keep it".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=superdinoman;29161143]they have the right to confiscate the items for an indeterminate amount of time. [/QUOTE]
Basically means they hold it till you go to pick it up.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;29126226]Fuck those kids that security guard had every right to take the skateboard. They were trespassing.[/QUOTE]
Two wrongs don't make a right.
The kids shouldn't be trespassing, they should leave a soon as they where told. At the same time though that security guard shouldn't have encountered them in that fashion and shouldn't have taken the board. The guard shouldn't have kid the kid in the face. The kids shouldn't have made him crash his cart.
Both sides are idiots in my eyes, but the situation could have been easily diverted with some calm and clear conversation.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;29160260]College campuses aren't marked with "No Trespassing" signs and if it isn't posted it doesn't apply.\
Also you sound like a huge asshole, confiscate their stuff and then don't give it back.[/QUOTE]
Signs don't have to be posted. I don't have a huge no trespassing sign on my property, but if someone is on it and I call the cops I can have them served with a trespass warning or press charges. Not that I would though, I would more then likely ask them to leave nicely and if they didn't then I would take care of it by calling the police.
lol assault isn't justified just because they skate
[editline]13th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=superdinoman;29161143]I have the right to defend my property so does any business like a college. When you bring anything onto someone else's property it becomes subject to their rules. If you violate their rules they have the right to confiscate the items for an indeterminate amount of time. In the case of this video the college would have made them fill out some forms to get their items back, in the case of my property Im keeping your items because you're a trespassing faggot who shouldnt be trying to hunt or do drugs on my property.[/QUOTE]
wow someone is power-tripping real hard
[QUOTE=superdinoman;29161143]I have the right to defend my property so does any business like a college. When you bring anything onto someone else's property it becomes subject to their rules. If you violate their rules they have the right to confiscate the items for an indeterminate amount of time. In the case of this video the college would have made them fill out some forms to get their items back, in the case of my property Im keeping your items because you're a trespassing faggot who shouldnt be trying to hunt or do drugs on my property.[/QUOTE]
seriously where are you getting this "it's okay to steal from them because they were close to me" horseshit from
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;29136854]That still doesn't give him the right to take the skateboard and start throwing punches and using physical force, no matter what they said/did or if they didn't listen. There's no excuse or justification, and it still can constitute as a theft/robbery and you don't even know if they could have gotten it back after, it doesn't matter what they did to provoke it and that would only help to reduce the sentence/punishment for a conviction.
The security officer should have been more responsible and called the police to deal with the situation calmy instead of acting out so foolishly. Yes, skateboarders are dicks for not listening but they have to be dealt with differently.[/QUOTE]
Okay bro what happens when the skateboarders are already at least a mile away when they get there.
And I'm pretty sure he was aloud to confiscate it after warning them to get the skateboards of the property. Their campus, their rules.
[QUOTE=MR-X;29161700]Signs don't have to be posted. I don't have a huge no trespassing sign on my property, but if someone is on it and I call the cops I can have them served with a trespass warning or press charges. Not that I would though, I would more then likely ask them to leave nicely and if they didn't then I would take care of it by calling the police.[/QUOTE]
Difference being your backyard doesn't have public gardens in it unless you're some sort of foliage king. And even then, you said you'd call the police, not take their stuff.
[editline]13th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=superdinoman;29161560]Basically means they hold it till you go to pick it up.[/QUOTE]
So basically you're still breaking the law by keeping their stuff? Even after that kid came with the cops? You just contradicted yourself.
The funny part is that after the video officer gets the skateboard from them and then tries to skate and kills himself.
[QUOTE=ItsGary;29162703]
And I'm pretty sure he was aloud to confiscate it after warning them to get the skateboards of the property. Their campus, their rules.[/QUOTE]
right so it's okay to kill and steal people's things as long as it's your campus because obviously it's your rules?
no i don't think the law works like that
[QUOTE=superdinoman;29126226]Fuck those kids that security guard had every right to take the skateboard. They were trespassing.[/QUOTE]
read up on the fourth amendment, they can't take anything without a warrent, if they are 18.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;29161143]I have the right to defend my property so does any business like a college. When you bring anything onto someone else's property it becomes subject to their rules. If you violate their rules they have the right to confiscate the items for an indeterminate amount of time. In the case of this video the college would have made them fill out some forms to get their items back, in the case of my property Im keeping your items because you're a trespassing faggot who shouldnt be trying to hunt or do drugs on my property.[/QUOTE]
Looks like someone is having a mad power trip.
GET OFF THE CANVAS
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[QUOTE=c-unitV2;29163745]read up on the fourth amendment, they can't take anything without a warrent, if they are 18.[/QUOTE]
A security officer can not violate any of your rights because they are a private citizen, not a police officer. So any of those amendments do not apply to them.
Both parties in this video were morons. Simply put. The security officer could have handled the situation a lot better. The skateboarders, at this point, likely were trespassing and had been told before to stay off property or not to skate on property.
Now, it depends on the state, but some states allow the use of 'resonable force' for someone who is trespassing and refusing to leave. However, I doubt that stealing a skateboard is grounds for that if it were legal. He should have simply called the police and stood by until they arrived.
Another thing people fail to realize is that security officers are considered agents of the property they are assigned to. If they ask you to leave and you fail to do so, you can be charged with criminal trespassing.
However, many security officer's think they are capable of doing much more than what they truly are legally allowed to do. Hence, you get videos like this.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;29170154]A security officer can not violate any of your rights because they are a private citizen, not a police officer. So any of those amendments do not apply to them.[/QUOTE]
reinforcing the fact that he can't take their stuff
[QUOTE=superdinoman;29161143]I have the right to defend my property so does any business like a college. When you bring anything onto someone else's property it becomes subject to their rules. If you violate their rules they have the right to confiscate the items for an indeterminate amount of time. In the case of this video the college would have made them fill out some forms to get their items back, in the case of my property Im keeping your items because you're a trespassing faggot who shouldnt be trying to hunt or do drugs on my property.[/QUOTE]Wow, you make it sound like North Korea.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;29158246]When people trespass on my property I take their shit. Be it treestands, guns, alcohol, or whatever they bring with them. Ive had them bring police back and the police have been on my side stating I had the right to do so.
Oh but I do which is why I would of just snapped it in two and handed it back.
College campuses are owned by the college. While on the campus you are required to follow the rules. Skateboarding on campus is generally not allowed and can get you kicked off the property. A security guard has authority over the property because he is hired by the people who actually own the place.
Not surprised the general user on Facepunch doesnt understand how shit works.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, add destruction of property to assault, that's a few days jailtime for sure.
I would also like to know what campus you're a rentacop for.
[editline]15th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=HkSniper;29170154]A security officer can not violate any of your rights because they are a private citizen, not a police officer. So any of those amendments do not apply to them.
Both parties in this video were morons. Simply put. The security officer could have handled the situation a lot better. The skateboarders, at this point, likely were trespassing and had been told before to stay off property or not to skate on property.
Now, it depends on the state, but some states allow the use of 'resonable force' for someone who is trespassing and refusing to leave. However, I doubt that stealing a skateboard is grounds for that if it were legal. He should have simply called the police and stood by until they arrived.
Another thing people fail to realize is that security officers are considered agents of the property they are assigned to. If they ask you to leave and you fail to do so, you can be charged with criminal trespassing.
However, many security officer's think they are capable of doing much more than what they truly are legally allowed to do. Hence, you get videos like this.[/QUOTE]
Except they were students of that campus so they were not trespassing, and even if they weren't students, the security guard didn't check if they were.
Having used to be a security guard, the guard was not correct in action whatsoever, but city codes give schools and theme parks special laws to enact. 620 (or 602, can't remember) is a good one that is for parks and schools, and gives the owner (the city) the right to hire someone, and allow that person to have the authority to eject someone from the premises. It's only trespassing if you are interfering with the business of the school, or if there is a sign posted, or if you were given verbal warning that you were trespassing and the school is not in session on normal school hours.
So what he was saying was right, what he did was wrong.
The proper course of action (since the guard was obviously unarmed) would have been:
1. Ask the skaters to stop what they were doing
2. Ask them to leave
3. If they don't leave threaten to call the police
4. If they still don't leave, call the police then let them come handle it.
If the guard had handcuffs, he could make a citizen's arrest on the skaters, though he couldn't arrest all of them, and it would have been legal to detain them (ask them to sit on the grass and wait for the cops, etc.)
The police would have likely come, issued them a warning, or a citation and told them to leave, and would wait there until they did, or arrest them for being in violation of the city code and not removing themselves from the grounds.
Taking the skateboard made no sense whatsoever, unless the security guard was a PPSO, and the school gave him special instructions to do that. If his training included the removal of skateboards from people like that, then it would be ok for him to do that, and up to the school to take the blame if someone thought it was wrong or illegal.
If the people swung the board at him and used it as a weapon of sorts, the likely action would be to run away, not hit anyone or take it (if they did that). That guy is not getting paid enough to get his ass kicked by idiots.
It was also a bad idea to run back into the fight. Once they pushed his cart or whatever, it was not okay to go back and try to hit someone, it would have been appropriate to get far away from the kids and call the cops and watch the kids till the police showed up.
Edit: I must also make note, trespassing can be comitted by anyone. You don't have to work, go there, or live there, etc... but you can and still be trespassing. All you have to do is make a negative affect on the grounds, or have a posted sign stating what you can not do. Once you've been ejected (asked to leave) you are then trespassing if you don't leave. Say you live in an apartment complex, and there is a pool. You go for a swim at 11pm. There is a sign that says there is no swimming after 9pm, the complex security guard sees you in the pool, and asks you to get out. At this point, it doesn't matter if you live in the complex or not, if you don't get out then you are trespassing. If a school has a sign that says no skateboards, rollerblades, bikes, etc... and you are asked to stop doing that, and refuse, then you are trespassing, whether you go to the school or not.
were you one of the cool security guards?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4j1GgpU36o[/media]
[QUOTE=Android phone;29179001]were you one of the cool security guards?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4j1GgpU36o[/media][/QUOTE]
Not quite that cool. Drove a red ranger that said security, and helped people fix their cars a couple times in the parking lot, and was just generally awesome, but that's about it.
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