[QUOTE=damnatus;51916541]5000 is a really fucking huge number, that's why I've assumed you didn't count it properly, that's a common mistake[/QUOTE]
Like I said, I do competitive eating so eating around that amount or more is not unheard of, there probably is something up with my body that I'm not aware of, which I will have to get checked out soon enough.
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;51916057]I eat all the time, well over 5000 a day at times and I still don't gain weight whatsoever. Hell people told me by the time I hit 20 I'd start getting fat with the way I eat but here I am at 24 and skinnier than I was in high school, perhaps it's just luck or I have a tapeworm I'm not aware of that I have had all my life. I mean hell I eat like 4 full meals while watching an episode of a show or a movie because I eat while I'm bored, besides a fast metabolism I really don't know how to explain how I'm still extremely skinny if a fast metabolism apparently only makes a tiny difference.[/QUOTE]
Unless you're some physics defying marvel of human anatomy, you're not actually counting your calories and just pulling numbers out of no where.
Your week probably looks something like this:
- skip all breakfasts
- eat a ton of food one day
- eat barely anything the next
Hell I've eaten around 10,000 in one sitting a few times before without gaining any weight. Anything I did gain was lost almost immediately.
[editline]5th March 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=unrezt;51916600]Unless you're some physics defying marvel of human anatomy, you're not actually counting your calories and just pulling numbers out of no where.
Your week probably looks something like this:
- skip all breakfasts
- eat a ton of food one day
- eat barely anything the next[/QUOTE]
I eat every single day and I don't skip whatsoever. I even snack on food at night time. I know plenty of people who are the same way as me, but I will get it checked out by a doctor because I'm confused as much as everyone else is here.
Are you an olympic swimmer?
[QUOTE=unrezt;51916613]Are you an olympic swimmer?[/QUOTE]
I used to run track, and I'm pretty athletic so I dunno.
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;51916604]Hell I've eaten around 10,000 in one sitting a few times before without gaining any weight. Anything I did gain was lost almost immediately.
[editline]5th March 2017[/editline]
I eat every single day and I don't skip whatsoever. I even snack on food at night time. I know plenty of people who are the same way as me, but I will get it checked out by a doctor because I'm confused as much as everyone else is here.[/QUOTE]
You're not going to gain much weight, if at all, just by eating 10,000 cals one day then returning to your normal eating habits. Both gaining and losing requires a stable calorie income that doesn't fluctuate too much. Like MaverickIB said above, metabolism between people doesn't vary much more than 5% from highest to lowest so if you're really able to eat 5,000+ cals every single day without gaining weight then I'd assume something is seriously wrong with your health.
I mean I'll even reference this girl again because people seem to doubt that there's people out there who eat a metric fuckton and are relatively fit. I honestly think genetics and what you do day to day probably has a huge influence on how your body reacts to this kind of thing. If you look at her channel she eats insane amounts of meals with high calorie counts on an almost daily basis.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFTVNLC7ysej-sD5lkLqNGA[/url]
[editline]5th March 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=PredGD;51916622]You're not going to gain much weight, if at all, just by eating 10,000 cals one day then returning to your normal eating habits. Both gaining and losing requires a stable calorie income that doesn't fluctuate too much. Like MaverickIB said above, metabolism between people doesn't vary much more than 5% from highest to lowest so if you're really able to eat 5,000+ cals every single day without gaining weight then I'd assume something is seriously wrong with your health.[/QUOTE]
Maybe there is, because I honestly have never really felt full after eating my meals and I'll keep on eating without stopping a lot of the time. I've been kicked out of all you can eat buffets twice already. And my friends even give me their leftovers whenever we go out eating because they know I will devour everything off the table even after eating what I ordered. Now I probably don't eat 5000 calories a day or more normally, but I'm pretty damn sure I at least hit the 2000 mark and a bit over (maybe even an extra 1000 more probably since I eat way more than one plate of whatever I eat for dinner), and like I said already, I don't skip meals and I eat snacks extremely often. One time at a party I ate twelve slices of Little Caesar's pizza and drank a whole bottle of sake just for the hell of it, (the party was full of Trump supporters and I had to take it out on them somehow without causing a scene) and occasionally I'll eat 100 chicken mcnuggets at Mcdonalds because I can never get enough of the things. I should probably be more aware of the damage I may be doing to my body, but I love food way too much to even care tbh. The only real downside to my eating habits is the aftermath of my bathroom trips, which usually has me shitting around 4-5 times a day at times.
[QUOTE=unrezt;51916600]
Your week probably looks something like this:
- skip all breakfasts
- eat a ton of food one day
- eat barely anything the next[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much my eating habits in a nutshell.
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;51916624]I mean I'll even reference this girl again because people seem to doubt that there's people out there who eat a metric fuckton and are relatively fit. I honestly think genetics and what you do day to day probably has a huge influence on how your body reacts to this kind of thing. If you look at her channel she eats insane amounts of meals with high calorie counts on an almost daily basis.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFTVNLC7ysej-sD5lkLqNGA[/url]
[editline]5th March 2017[/editline]
Maybe there is, because I honestly have never really felt full after eating my meals and I'll keep on eating without stopping a lot of the time. I've been kicked out of all you can eat buffets twice already. And my friends even give me their leftovers whenever we go out eating because they know I will devour everything off the table even after eating what I ordered. Now I probably don't eat 5000 calories a day or more normally, but I'm pretty damn sure I at least hit the [b]2000 mark[/b] and a bit over (maybe even an extra 1000 more probably since I eat way more than one plate of whatever I eat for dinner), and like I said already, I don't skip meals and I eat snacks extremely often. One time at a party I ate twelve slices of Little Caesar's pizza and drank a whole bottle of sake just for the hell of it, (the party was full of Trump supporters and I had to take it out on them somehow without causing a scene) and occasionally I'll eat 100 chicken mcnuggets at Mcdonalds because I can never get enough of the things. I should probably be more aware of the damage I may be doing to my body, but I love food way too much to even care tbh. The only real downside to my eating habits is the aftermath of my bathroom trips, which usually has me shitting around 4-5 times a day at times.[/QUOTE]
If you eat 2000 calories a day it's not wonder you don't gain weight, if you hit 3000 and do quite a bit of cardio/are active most of the day that's reasonable too. If you truly, truly believe you can't gain weight no matter how much you eat forget GOMAD, go crush 2kg of peanut butter on whatever you want or just eat it straight every day. If by a month or two you're not fat, you either didn't do that or you have something legitimately seriously wrong with you.
Most competitive eaters I watch from time to time eat normal amounts or even pretty low amounts most days, then just prep for the big meals. Furious Pete admits he def doesn't eat like he does in comps, matt stonie's the same and joey chestnut is too. They all don't eat that much because of the whole "band-of-fat theory".
[editline]5th March 2017[/editline]
I mean fuck 2kg of peanut butter is 12k calories, even if you have something wrong with you, you should probably gain weight on a diet like that
Basically he's demonstrating exactly what I'm talking about, vastly overestimating how much he's eating. Occasionally eating a huge meal or whatever isn't going to make anyone gain weight, it's all about consistency. Maintenance can be around 2500 cals for most young people (more if they're really active), if they eat 5000 cals one day of the week but then 2000 for the following 6 days, they overall ended the week with a deficit of 500 calories.
Most people have no idea just how much food 5000+ calories is, so they're just spitballing random numbers that are nowhere near accurate. Slamming down 2 medium pizzas from dominos is only around 3500 calories depending on what you get on them. If you can put away 3 of those in one sitting on a daily basis and not gain weight then maybe I might believe it.
[QUOTE=Waterpi;51917229]If you eat 2000 calories a day it's not wonder you don't gain weight, if you hit 3000 and do quite a bit of cardio/are active most of the day that's reasonable too. If you truly, truly believe you can't gain weight no matter how much you eat forget GOMAD, go crush 2kg of peanut butter on whatever you want or just eat it straight every day. If by a month or two you're not fat, you either didn't do that or you have something legitimately seriously wrong with you.
Most competitive eaters I watch from time to time eat normal amounts or even pretty low amounts most days, then just prep for the big meals. Furious Pete admits he def doesn't eat like he does in comps, matt stonie's the same and joey chestnut is too. They all don't eat that much because of the whole "band-of-fat theory".
[editline]5th March 2017[/editline]
I mean fuck 2kg of peanut butter is 12k calories, even if you have something wrong with you, you should probably gain weight on a diet like that[/QUOTE]
Who in their right mind would want to eat 2kg of peanut butter every day
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51917444]Who in their right mind would want to eat 2kg of peanut butter every day[/QUOTE]
Someone who likes kidney stones and heart disease.
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;51916604]Hell I've eaten around 10,000 in one sitting a few times before without gaining any weight. Anything I did gain was lost almost immediately.
[editline]5th March 2017[/editline]
I eat every single day and I don't skip whatsoever. I even snack on food at night time. I know plenty of people who are the same way as me, but I will get it checked out by a doctor because I'm confused as much as everyone else is here.[/QUOTE]
Here is a suggestion.
Weigh yourself
Eat 3 Big Mac Big meals every day.with soda drink (no zero coke) (one big mac big meal is roughly 1300 k) for a week.
Avoid exercise
Weigh again
If you see no improvement, check with a doc.
If doc says ur perfectly healthy(ADDED EDIT: which means you have no differences from a normal human being), then ill give you 15 bucks steam game of your choice.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;51917375]Basically he's demonstrating exactly what I'm talking about, vastly overestimating how much he's eating. Occasionally eating a huge meal or whatever isn't going to make anyone gain weight, it's all about consistency. Maintenance can be around 2500 cals for most young people (more if they're really active), if they eat 5000 cals one day of the week but then 2000 for the following 6 days, they overall ended the week with a deficit of 500 calories.
Most people have no idea just how much food 5000+ calories is, so they're just spitballing random numbers that are nowhere near accurate. Slamming down 2 medium pizzas from dominos is only around 3500 calories depending on what you get on them. If you can put away 3 of those in one sitting on a daily basis and not gain weight then maybe I might believe it.[/QUOTE]
Well considering the fact I ate four ramen, two bowls of cheerios, and an entire loaf of banana bread just for breakfast alone, it's highly likely there's just something wrong with me. That's just genetics, there is a math to all of this, but genetics also counts for a lot of it.
[editline]5th March 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51918664]Here is a suggestion.
Weigh yourself
Eat 3 Big Mac Big meals every day.with soda drink (no zero coke) (one big mac big meal is roughly 1300 k) for a week.
Avoid exercise
Weigh again
If you see no improvement, check with a doc.
If doc says ur perfectly healthy, then ill give you 15 bucks steam game of your choice.[/QUOTE]
That honestly does not sound all that bad, big macs aren't even filling. The way I eat is probably going to kill me.
maybe your scale is broken and you actually weigh 435lbs not 135lbs
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;51918680]Well considering the fact I ate four ramen, two bowls of cheerios, and an entire loaf of banana bread just for breakfast alone, it's highly likely there's just something wrong with me. That's just genetics, there is a math to all of this, but genetics also counts for a lot of it.
[/QUOTE]
No, it isn't just genetics. As I've said, studies have shown the maximum "advantage" someone can have genetically regarding metabolism is roughly 5 percent. I have a feeling like you're either exaggerating your intake in order to drive a point through, or you just aren't consistent with your eating habits. Considering you said you "sometimes" hit over 2000 calories (which is pretty low) I'm leaning toward the latter, but it's probably a bit of both.
Basically, if you actually ate that way for every meal and remained a skellington, you'd be a medical marvel. Or you'd have some kind of extreme deficiency like Lizzy Velasquez, who has a rare deficiency which makes her body unable to store fat, she has to eat constantly throughout the day and struggles to maintain what's already considered an extremely low weight (she has never weighed more than 64lbs).
I dunno who you're trying to impress here or whatever. It's time to face the facts. You are not special, you are not defying the laws of thermodynamics, your body doesn't have an insanely fast metabolism or whatever unless you have some super rare condition. Athletes like Michael Phelps have super fast metabolisms because they're extremely active and normally on performance enhancing drugs, which also increase the metabolism to sypraphysical levels. If you're on HGH, trenbolone, or DNP, your claims are believable. Otherwise, I'm not buying it when you piss in my ear and tell me it's raining. You're talking to people who are actually educated on this shit, so the BS you tell people to justify being a skellington or whatever isn't really gonna fly here.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;51919414]No, it isn't just genetics. As I've said, studies have shown the maximum "advantage" someone can have genetically regarding metabolism is roughly 5 percent.[/QUOTE]
Can I see these studies?
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;51918680]
That honestly does not sound all that bad, big macs aren't even filling. The way I eat is probably going to kill me.[/QUOTE]
Not just big macs but big portion of fries and soda as well, and for yourself exclusively.
Every time, every god damn time the exact same stupid conversations happen. Even my coworker says the same shit. "Oh I used to eat a TON, but I couldn't gain any weight! My metabolism is sooooo fast!"... until we counted how many calories he eats and found out that he RARELY breaks the 2k calorie barrier and most of the time ate less than that. No wonder he's a skellington.
This whole "I eat a lot but don't gain any weight" to me sounds like "I'm special, please pay attention to me, I want to have bragging rights about something that isn't true nor even worth mentioning."
Count your calories. Try to recall how active you are during the day. If you don't eat more than 2k calories (or just barely above the 2k mark), then it's no surprise you're skinny, especially if you're somewhat physically active in addition to that.
Hell, I'm on a bulk right now, I weigh just above 102kg and I've started to wonder why I can't gain more weight than that. Is it because I gained muscle mass and I need more calories to sustain my lean body mass? Is it because I ramped up my physical activity and I need more calorie intake? Could be both of those, but it's mainly because I simply am not eating as much as when I started bulking, and therefore not getting enough calories to gain weight. The same applies to every skinny guy who says that they "eat a ton", but can't "gain any weight".
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51920202]Not just big macs but big portion of fries and soda as well, and for yourself exclusively.[/QUOTE]
Still not hard, and I don't share my food to begin with so it's not like it wouldn't be exclusive to begin with.
[QUOTE=Waffler;51920125]Can I see these studies?[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15534426[/url]
[quote] The coefficient of variance for 24 h energy expenditure measured using a room calorimeter for resting metabolic rate is around 5-10%.[/quote]
Weight, exercise/activity, age, and whatnot can all affect metabolism, but BMR only varies 5-10 percent. Definitely not the difference between eating like a bird and stuffing your face with 10000 calories a day. Even at the upper limit of 10 percent, with a generous TDEE of 3000 calories, you'd have a 300 calorie advantage over someone the same age/weight and whatnot with a "low" metabolism. That's like 2 slices of wheat bread.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;51921183][url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15534426[/url]
Weight, exercise/activity, age, and whatnot can all affect metabolism, but BMR only varies 5-10 percent. Definitely not the difference between eating like a bird and stuffing your face with 10000 calories a day. Even at the upper limit of 10 percent, with a generous TDEE of 3000 calories, you'd have a 300 calorie advantage over someone the same age/weight and whatnot with a "low" metabolism. That's like 2 slices of wheat bread.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but coefficient of variance is effectively another word for standard deviation that is independent of the units you use (and implies a bell curve). Therefore you can have a few people far from the mean, right?
I thought I had a "slow metabolism" until I actually took notice of what I was putting into my body. Calories in vs. calories out. I'm currently 90lbs down, 30 to go.
[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;51921297]Correct me if I'm wrong, but coefficient of variance is effectively another word for standard deviation that is independent of the units you use (and implies a bell curve). Therefore you can have a few people far from the mean, right?[/QUOTE]
Technically, sure. But considering the results are very easy to reproduce and very reliable, it's unlikely there's any extreme outliers. Especially when you consider the nature of the human body, it's unlikely someone who weighs 135lbs could require 5000+ calories a day just to maintain would live very long unless under constant medical surveillance like the girl I mentioned earlier. Such a condition would have produced some interesting problems while he was developing as a baby and through adolescence. He'd likely be extremely short and underdeveloped due to the body not wanting to spare resources for growth.
Is it a 100 percent provable fact that he's bullshitting us in some way? Not really. There's always that tiny chance he's not, but too much shit just isn't adding up. He clearly doesn't understand his own calorie intake since he earlier claimed to hit 2000 calories *most days* as if it was substantial amount (it's actually well below maintenance for most people). His numbers are all over the place and the amounts he eats grows more and more with every post he makes as if he's trying to eliminate any doubt he may not eat that much consistently.
Basically, the way he's talking is way too reminiscent of literally every underweight person I have spoken with about this. I have heard all of the same arguments and statements before. I worked as a nutritionist building diet plans and whatnot for people for a while, I have been told what that guy is typing in his posts countless times. Every. Single. Time. The person did not eat as much as they claimed, and when I put them on a real diet plan with substantial consistent intake, they had a difficult time consuming it. There isn't one documented case (beyond Lizzy Velasquez) of a human being with a metabolism 100 percent higher than what it should be naturally, not even hyperthyroidism causes anywhere near that kind of effect. Tapeworms don't even do that much as far as I know.
I think I'm really underweight. I can barely eat much of anything, mainly it's because there's not really much for me to eat here and I can't afford much food. Everyone always says to eat more, count the calories, etc. but that doesn't help me decide what to actually get that I can afford. What are some good affordable foods for someone like me?
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;51923579]Technically, sure. But considering the results are very easy to reproduce and very reliable, it's unlikely there's any extreme outliers. Especially when you consider the nature of the human body, it's unlikely someone who weighs 135lbs could require 5000+ calories a day just to maintain would live very long unless under constant medical surveillance like the girl I mentioned earlier. Such a condition would have produced some interesting problems while he was developing as a baby and through adolescence. He'd likely be extremely short and underdeveloped due to the body not wanting to spare resources for growth.
Is it a 100 percent provable fact that he's bullshitting us in some way? Not really. There's always that tiny chance he's not, but too much shit just isn't adding up. He clearly doesn't understand his own calorie intake since he earlier claimed to hit 2000 calories *most days* as if it was substantial amount (it's actually well below maintenance for most people). His numbers are all over the place and the amounts he eats grows more and more with every post he makes as if he's trying to eliminate any doubt he may not eat that much consistently.
Basically, the way he's talking is way too reminiscent of literally every underweight person I have spoken with about this. I have heard all of the same arguments and statements before. I worked as a nutritionist building diet plans and whatnot for people for a while, I have been told what that guy is typing in his posts countless times. Every. Single. Time. The person did not eat as much as they claimed, and when I put them on a real diet plan with substantial consistent intake, they had a difficult time consuming it. There isn't one documented case (beyond Lizzy Velasquez) of a human being with a metabolism 100 percent higher than what it should be naturally, not even hyperthyroidism causes anywhere near that kind of effect. Tapeworms don't even do that much as far as I know.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why I would lie about how I eat, and I'm honestly perfectly ok with being skinny and have no desire to gain weight, but I won't argue with you. I still feel like genetics could be a big factor here as even that Japanese woman I posted earlier eats nearly 5000 every single day, hell it's a trend for big eaters in Asia to livestream themselves eating massive amounts of food. Not everyone's body works the same. But I'm tired of debating this since it's literally going in circles and it's quite annoying when you start noticing that no side will actually budge. People are different, and sure I don't pay attention to what I eat, but I don't skip at all even though you're still claiming I do, and I still constantly snack on food, there won't be any exact way I can prove to anyone here how I eat and if people will assume I'm bullshitting, then so be it. There's just far too many variables to even have a perfectly reasonable debate that won't devolve into a shitfest the way I see it (you're already assuming I'm having doubts and stacking numbers when I've still stuck to the same shit since the beginning, I feel like I have to stop you here before things get more heated because usually assumptions will only lead to illogical arguments that only consist of flaming). Lets just keep it at this and end the argument.
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;51925399]I don't know why I would lie about how I eat, and I'm honestly perfectly ok with being skinny and have no desire to gain weight, but I won't argue with you. I still feel like genetics could be a big factor here as even that Japanese woman I posted earlier eats nearly 5000 every single day, hell it's a trend for big eaters in Asia to livestream themselves eating massive amounts of food. Not everyone's body works the same. But I'm tired of debating this since it's literally going in circles and it's quite annoying when you start noticing that no side will actually budge. People are different, and sure I don't pay attention to what I eat, but I don't skip at all even though you're still claiming I do, and I still constantly snack on food, there won't be any exact way I can prove to anyone here how I eat and if people will assume I'm bullshitting, then so be it. There's just far too many variables to even have a perfectly reasonable debate that won't devolve into a shitfest the way I see it.[/QUOTE]
Show us your daily meals. There is no way you legit eat fucking 5k calories a day and not gain weight.
[IMG]http://forums.steroid.com/attachments/diet-nutrition/122172d1334906847-5000-calorie-day-diet-second-page.png[/IMG]
This is a 5k calories diet, people that are professional atheletes at ca 90-100 kilos muscles that train 5-7 times a week eat this much to sustain their own bodies. You are more or less overestimating your calorie intake.
[QUOTE=freaka;51925434]Show us your daily meals. There is no way you legit eat fucking 5k calories a day and not gain weight.
[IMG]http://forums.steroid.com/attachments/diet-nutrition/122172d1334906847-5000-calorie-day-diet-second-page.png[/IMG]
This is a 5k calories diet, people that are professional atheletes at ca 90-100 kilos muscles that train 5-7 times a week eat this much to sustain their own bodies. You are more or less overestimating your calorie intake.[/QUOTE]
I said I eat about 5000 from time to time, if you bothered reading an earlier post I even stated this.
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;51925436]I said I eat about 5000 from time to time, if you bothered reading an earlier post I even stated this.[/QUOTE]
You dont eat 5k from time to time. You're the reason this video even exists in the first place.
Removing the rest of this since I am not partaking in this argument anymore.
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;51916057]I eat all the time, well over 5000 a day [b]at times[/b][/QUOTE]
I'm going to quote this just so people get it, now lets just settle this because as I said earlier, this is going in circles.
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