Steam needs quality control- Jimquisition - General

[QUOTE=J!NX;43884032]Greenlight is fucked and something like Badratz or "Game tycoon" shouldn't even be considered that or those shitty minecraft clones.[/QUOTE] Greenlight has a lot of behind the scenes politics in it and it pisses me off. Games like Super Power 2 have an extreme amount of support on it, yet they're not brought on despite a large amount of yes votes, the company having prior games on steam, etcetc. Yet fucking photo editors and other silly shit can get on easily? Theres lots of voting but at the end of the day Valve picks and chooses and there's politics to it.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43887654]Greenlight has a lot of behind the scenes politics in it and it pisses me off. Games like Super Power 2 have an extreme amount of support on it, yet they're not brought on despite a large amount of yes votes, the company having prior games on steam, etcetc. Yet fucking photo editors and other silly shit can get on easily? Theres lots of voting but at the end of the day Valve picks and chooses and there's politics to it.[/QUOTE] Day one is still on steam that thing should have been declined first thing just like a TON of other approved games

I disagree with Takedown being shit.

[QUOTE=Zoran;43886668]Why should one have to research a game to find out if it's unplayable? A game should be playable even if the player/buyer doesn't like the game. They should have a fair judgement that doesn't get swayed by the fact the game is laggy and broken.[/QUOTE] That being said, why research anything before buying it? I'm sure a lot of car salesmen would love you as a customer.

There should be a separate section on Steam for early access games. Rather than them being displayed as new releases on the main store page.

I knew this would happen as soon as Valve said they wanted to one day remove themselves from Steam as its moderator. Stop this now. Please.

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;43885150]It's steams fault that I didn't do my research and bought a shitty broken game.[/QUOTE] Consumers shouldn't have to always look up information about an item before purchasing it to find out it doesn't work. If I buy a blender at walmart, I know it will work, or I will receive a replacement. Not the case with steam.

Valve gets money when shitty games are sold on the store, not like they're going to change that.

[QUOTE=J!NX;43883643]if you don't want an unfinished game then seriously, RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY. ALWAYS research before you buy. all it takes to find out "Game tycoon" for example has issues is a look at all the reviews.[/QUOTE] Thats part of it on the customer side, but steam is selling broken games. Literally nonfunctioning plenty of times. Steam needs to step up to make sure it's library is functioning.

[QUOTE=markg06;43885303]There needs to be less anime games and more proper games on steam.[/QUOTE] How does an artstyle causes a game to not be proper?

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43884615]Except he's talking about the concept of games as well, not just their buggyness or how unplayable they are. He's doing a lot of generalizing. Also his voice pisses me off, so I might just be biased because he keeps sounding like a smug arse.[/QUOTE] You obviously didn't pay attention to the video. The concepts aren't the issue, he's right in saying that it's bullshit that games get onto steam because people are voting on JUST a concept though. Like Guise of the Wolf. On paper it does seem like a neat game, but it's total shit in execution. Valve should have a control group of playtesters to run through parts of games greenlit in order to do some huge QA, because you can't just have a bunch of shitty games with good ideas running around [editline]12th February 2014[/editline] There does need to be a line where Valve says "Ok some of you may find this shit fun but we can't have this on our store and look respectable" [editline]12th February 2014[/editline] There does need to be a line where Valve says "Ok some of you may find this shit fun but we can't have this on our store and look respectable"

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43890221]You obviously didn't pay attention to the video. The concepts aren't the issue, he's right in saying that it's bullshit that games get onto steam because people are voting on JUST a concept though. Like Guise of the Wolf. On paper it does seem like a neat game, but it's total shit in execution. Valve should have a control group of playtesters to run through parts of games greenlit in order to do some huge QA, because you can't just have a bunch of shitty games with good ideas running around [editline]12th February 2014[/editline] There does need to be a line where Valve says "Ok some of you may find this shit fun but we can't have this on our store and look respectable" [editline]12th February 2014[/editline] There does need to be a line where Valve says "Ok some of you may find this shit fun but we can't have this on our store and look respectable"[/QUOTE]Again though, they want to go in literally the exact opposite direction. They want to remove all roadblocks and barriers to getting on Steam, and only do anything about games that are completely dysfunctional or that grossly misrepresent the game.

[QUOTE=spekter;43884955]Just because he's british doesn't mean he's automatically snobby.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;43885219]Whats wrong with his voice? That's how some people in Britain normally speak.[/QUOTE] I'd like both of you to kindly pinpoint where in my post I said I hated his [I]accent.[/I] Because I didn't. I said his [I]voice.[/I] British accents in general make my weewee tingle.

and I thought Facepunch had shit regulation

These shitty community voted games are the reason Valve should have refunds. I don't care if it's a video game, [B][U]if it's broken, it's broken.[/U][/B] It being a video game doesn't stop it from being a product.

[QUOTE=megafat;43895193]These shitty community voted games are the reason Valve should have refunds. I don't care if it's a video game, [B][U]if it's broken, it's broken.[/U][/B] It being a video game doesn't stop it from being a product.[/QUOTE]They have given refunds for games that are genuinely broken.

He mentions War Z as an example of developers quelling all criticism, but wasn't there a much more recent example as well?

[QUOTE=Feuver;43890045]How does an artstyle causes a game to not be proper?[/QUOTE] It was a joke, if you couldn't tell. [QUOTE=Gray Altoid;43895392]He mentions War Z as an example of developers quelling all criticism, but wasn't there a much more recent example as well?[/QUOTE] It's probably the best example, there's also garry's incident.

I remember a time when we were all saying 'Steam never adds enough games! There are plenty that deserve to be on there that aren't!' Now, we've gone all the way to [I]other[/I] extreme with 'There's too many games on Steam! So many are broken/buggy/unfinished/etc!' I'm not saying this is better or worse, just an observation.

[QUOTE=Feuver;43890045]How does an artstyle causes a game to not be proper?[/QUOTE] I think he means visual novels. Either that or it's just a joke. [editline]13th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Elv02;43895762]I remember a time when we were all saying 'Steam never adds enough games! There are plenty that deserve to be on there that aren't!' Now, we've gone all the way to [I]other[/I] extreme with 'There's too many games on Steam! So many are broken/buggy/unfinished/etc!' I'm not saying this is better or worse, just an observation.[/QUOTE] The original statement however still stands. There are some games out there that deserve to be on steam. The thing is, Greenlight was simply not the right answer to the problem, it only created more disparities and simply allowed people to straight-up publish scams.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43895270]They have given refunds for games that are genuinely broken.[/QUOTE] Not good enough. It's still unofficial and relies on Steam's interpretation of "genuinely broken". I've had games that were utterly unplayable be denied a refund and the only time they seem to have a general policy is when outrage reaches critical mass ala War Z. They need to implement a system similar to what EA's Origin has where you have 24 hours after the games purchase to see if it works.

I would like to remind you guys that the first non-valve game on steam was Ragdoll Shooter [i]think about it[/i]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;43895426]It was a joke, if you couldn't tell. It's probably the best example, there's also garry's incident.[/QUOTE] Terraria devs are also guilty of this

[QUOTE=The golden;43901937]Steam has pretty much become a platform for selling unfinished alpha games rather than actual functional complete releases. The majority of the Top Sellers list, the New Releases list, and recently Greenlit products are all unfinished. And then there are the non-EarlyAcess games which are supposed to be functional but actually are not. Do they ever receive repercussions for selling a broken game? Lol no. Is any onus put on the devs to make it functional and is there any quality check before it is accepted? Lol fuck no. And then there is Valve's consumer protection policies itself. Valve does FUCK ALL to protect you from the broken piles of shit that litter its store page. Your "consumer protection" consists of a one-use SINGLE refund and a Steam forum which is self-moderated by the devs and is 99% of the time censored. Eat shit, Valve. Steam has become a piece of shit and Valve should be ashamed of it. If you want to see digital distribution done right then look at GoG. Those guys are awesome and they make sure that you get a functioning product for your money.[/QUOTE] Calling Steam a piece of shit because it has allowed a few terrible games isn't really a reason to ashame the entire damn company. If you have read the news, Valve actually said they want to move away from Greenlight. I don't see how people like you just can't ignore a bad game and look on to the next. Games like Prison Architect, Space Engineers, RimWorld, Banished, Postal 2 and more are all true gems which came to Steam thanks to Greenlight.

Banished actaully came directly without greenlight. But other then that, the thing is it isn't even greenlight now because Recoil was published by a company so withotu greenlight.

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;43895392]He mentions War Z as an example of developers quelling all criticism, but wasn't there a much more recent example as well?[/QUOTE] Guise of the Wolf and Castle Miner Z.

Greenlight isn't really monitored at all isn't it? I mean wasn't the whole idea of Greenlight is to have community to choose what games get published and what not? So no quality control at Greenlight section makes sense and we can't really blame anything else expect the fact that Valve is trusting the power of choosing to not so perfect steam community. Idea of letting [I]possible customers[/I] choosing what they want to be able to buy and purchase in future is great idea but getting that to work how intended isn't such a easy task.

[QUOTE=Combine 177;43909114]Greenlight isn't really monitored at all isn't it? I mean wasn't the whole idea of Greenlight is to have community to choose what games get published and what not? So no quality control at Greenlight section makes sense and we can't really blame anything else expect the fact that Valve is trusting the power of choosing to not so perfect steam community. Idea of letting [I]possible customers[/I] choosing what they want to be able to buy and purchase in future is great idea but getting that to work how intended isn't such a easy task.[/QUOTE] Valve can ban greenlight submitions if they think that they violate somthing JB mod 3.0 got turned down becouse of this

I still have to say that greenlight needs to make it a requirement to have a demo for your game in order to get on steam. they also really need to quarantine alpha/beta games to there own section instead of throwing them up on the front page with the newest big name games.

[QUOTE=WhyNott;43909349]Valve can ban greenlight submitions if they think that they violate somthing JB mod 3.0 got turned down becouse of this[/QUOTE] Garry just paid fortune to get that off from Greenlight so no one would find out that he stole whole idea for Gmod from JB Mod.