Sargon of Akkad, Jontron, Boogie, Sky!, and more, discuss Pewdiepie on Livestream
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[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51834988]
Not really. But it's also not that he's being "tricked" by "liberals" as his original post put it. If you listened to the stream of him and sargon, he came right into it believing [B]all kinds of wacky right-wing shit[/B]. You can dislike SJWs without doing a full 180 and going full retard.
And hell, his twitter has had lots of it too if you wanna peruse.[/QUOTE]
Could you give some examples?
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;51835000]Could you give some examples?[/QUOTE]
Just off the top of my head there's the great conspiracies about anti-white propaganda existing prominently in the media/school system, belief in cultural marxism, fantastic generalizations about trump protesters being commies, fearmongering about how the spooky SJWs gave trump the election, getting interviewed on fucking breitbart lol, really shitty comments about how it's refugees job to actually stay behind and fight for their country.
edit: oh, and here's this winner
[media]https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/823855322439811073[/media]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51835020]edit: oh, and here's this winner
[media]https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/823855322439811073[/media][/QUOTE]
Btw this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about with Jon completely failing to tackle anything with nuance.
Jon has pretty much the embodiment of the uninformed politically illiterate reddit-esque brand of talking points. I highly doubt he has done much investigation into the issues hes talking about outside of stuff like SoA videos.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51834992]A monster the left created.[/QUOTE]
I know that you've got the political knowledge of a toddler because of the whole, Y'know, accelerationist thing. But holy shit dude, the alt-right is not a "creation" of the left. It's existed for some fucking time since a pretty large schism in thought amongst neo-reactionaries. The alt-right are just neo-reactionary morons trying to pretty up the turd that is their awful ideology so the public will actually listen to them.
Its just jumped to prominence in the last couple of years for a number of reasons.
you can't seriously expect to have a video with "death to all jews" in the thumbnail and to be kept on by disney
to be fair disney should have expected this to happen when they took a guy under their wing whose primary humour mode used to be screeching the words rape, nigger
just my opinion folks... is there something else i'm missing here because I'm not listening to all 5 hours of that podcast
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
I mean, pewds can do what he fucking likes but don't expect disney to have to like it
I just want to point out that sjw and alt-right have more in common than you might think. They are 2 sides of the same coin. Both are unforgiving to the other side and refuses to compromise. And both think they have the right idea how world should be regardless of facts.
What comes to pewdiepie is media like wallstreet journal had been waiting for something like this to happen so they can jump on his throat. It is the price of fame, media is just waiting for a juicy story and more than often its a negative one that sells best.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;51835245]you can't seriously expect to have a video with "death to all jews" in the thumbnail and to be kept on by disney
to be fair disney should have expected this to happen when they took a guy under their wing whose primary humour mode used to be screeching the words rape, nigger
just my opinion folks... is there something else i'm missing here because I'm not listening to all 5 hours of that podcast
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
I mean, pewds can do what he fucking likes but don't expect disney to have to like it[/QUOTE]
People's probelm with Disney dropping Pewdiepie wasn't that Disney thought his content was offensive, it was that the Wall Street Journal published a video where they took jokes that would seem anti-semetic out of context and made it look like Pewdiepie was a legitimate racist. The Wall Street Journal then sent the video to Disney who proceeded to drop Pewdiepie and the WSJ wrote an article calling him anti-semetic. Of course had Disney not dropped Pewdiepie, you can bet the article would of been about how Disney is supporting anti-semetic content or whatever, which would have been worse for Disney.
People are mostly pissed off that the Wall Street Journal effectively started fucking over Pewdiepie's career and did it in such a way that would make him look like a neo-nazi for jokes that were probably of poor taste, but mostly meant to be just a dumb joke.
[QUOTE=TheRealFierce;51835287]People's probelm with Disney dropping Pewdiepie wasn't that Disney thought his content was offensive, it was that the Wall Street Journal published a video where they took jokes that would seem anti-semetic out of context and made it look like Pewdiepie was a legitimate racist. The Wall Street Journal then sent then showed the video to Disney who proceeded to drop Pewdiepie and wrote an article calling him anti-semetic. Of course had Disney not dropped Pewdiepie, you can bet the article would of been about how Disney is supporting anti-semetic content or whatever, which would have been worse for Disney.
People are mostly pissed off that the Wall Street Journal effectively started fucking over Pewdiepie's career and did it in such a way that would make him look like a neo-nazi for jokes that were probably of poor taste, but mostly meant to be just a dumb joke.[/QUOTE]
okay, I already know that pewdiepie is not a nazi and I know that he intended his video as a shock "joke", but I maintain that disney would have dropped him anyway for that video
I'm sorry, no matter which way you slice it, web content involving the phrase "death to all jews" is not going to look good on a disney-approved channel. if not the wall street journal, someone else would have brought it to disney's attention and they probably would have still dropped him
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
just noticed the thumbnail in this video is le epic helicopter meme haha
[QUOTE=Turnips5;51835299]okay, I already know that pewdiepie is not a nazi and I know that he intended his video as a shock "joke", but I maintain that disney would have dropped him anyway for that video
I'm sorry, no matter which way you slice it, web content involving the phrase "death to all jews" is not going to look good on a disney-approved channel. if not the wall street journal, someone else would have brought it to disney's attention and they probably would have still dropped him
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
just noticed the thumbnail in this video is le epic helicopter meme haha[/QUOTE]
It's not just because of that one joke that got him dropped that's the main issue, it's the fact that the Wall Street Journal branded him as legitimately anti-semetic, when he's clearly not.
Also Disney acquired Pewdiepie when he became the most popular Youtuber while he was still making plenty of rape jokes, I'm sure they only distanced themselves from him because they didn't want someone who could be seen as legitimately anti-semetic to be part of them.
i still dont know who these people are beyond they hate the concept of people treating one another with kindness & respect and somehow made a career out of it tbh
[QUOTE=mchapra;51835362]i still dont know who these people are beyond they hate the concept of people treating one another with kindness & respect and somehow made a career out of it tbh[/QUOTE]
This "kindness and respect" you speak of is often anything but and that's essentially what Sargon aims to point out, his main problem is he talks too much and ends up saying some mind-boggling shit sometimes.
I didn't know Johntrons middle name is 'Aryan' that's actually kinda funny.
[QUOTE=mchapra;51835362]i still dont know who these people are beyond they hate the concept of people treating one another with kindness & respect and somehow made a career out of it tbh[/QUOTE]
It's enormously more complicated than that. The people who say that they're 'people treating one another with kindness and respect' also praise people getting punched randomly for having objectionable views and are now celebrating a YouTuber's show getting shut down, potentially affecting dozens of people, just because he made an off-colour joke which [I]he didn't even anticipate would actually happen[/I]. They've also called JonTron a Nazi because he spoke out against these things, tried desperately to subvert and deny democratic decisions rather than simply protest against the adverse effects of these decisions, and some even go so far as to propose an alternative hierarchy whereby so-called 'oppressive' classes of people should be treated worse than the so-called 'oppressed' classes, as payback.
I'm not saying everyone who supports social justice is a terrible person- far from it. I have friends who are self-described SJWs and they're good people. But too many of those who support social justice treat it as a zero-sum game, and they see anyone who opposes their world view as little more than an obstacle.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;51835432]It's enormously more complicated than that. The people who say that they're 'people treating one another with kindness and respect' also praise people getting punched randomly for having objectionable views and are now celebrating a YouTuber's show getting shut down, potentially affecting dozens of people, just because he made an off-colour joke which [I]he didn't even anticipate would actually happen[/I]. They've also called JonTron a Nazi because he spoke out against these things, tried desperately to subvert and deny democratic decisions rather than simply protest against the adverse effects of these decisions, and some even go so far as to propose an alternative hierarchy whereby so-called 'oppressive' classes of people should be treated worse than the so-called 'oppressed' classes, as payback.[/QUOTE]
i cant believe there are people who see young adults venting on tumblr as this much of a threat
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
like where do you live like holy shit because i live in reality
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
do sargon and jontron live in some dystopic society where out of shape women with dyed hair lynch them like whats the deal
like is this some sort of obsession with being the underdog or victim, i do not get it
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;51835432]It's enormously more complicated than that. The people who say that they're 'people treating one another with kindness and respect' also praise people getting punched randomly for having objectionable views and are now celebrating a YouTuber's show getting shut down, potentially affecting dozens of people, just because he made an off-colour joke which [I]he didn't even anticipate would actually happen[/I]. They've also called JonTron a Nazi because he spoke out against these things, tried desperately to subvert and deny democratic decisions rather than simply protest against the adverse effects of these decisions, and some even go so far as to propose an alternative hierarchy whereby so-called 'oppressive' classes of people should be treated worse than the so-called 'oppressed' classes, as payback.
I'm not saying everyone who supports social justice is a terrible person- far from it. I have friends who are self-described SJWs and they're good people. But too many of those who support social justice treat it as a zero-sum game, and they see anyone who opposes their world view as little more than an obstacle.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to add that these people 100% support shutting down people who disagree with them in the exact same way, while sidestepping accountability because "lol leaderless movement"
I kept my eye on gamergate back when it was in full swing and while I honestly agreed that gawker deserved to be destroyed and the antis included some of the worst people alive, you can't act like "SJW"s are the sole users of these tactics
When will you dull folks learn that the pseudo-leftist corporate media goblins have nothing to do with "the left" and there isn't a thing called "the regressive left"
You are literally calling centre-right people and the media they dominate with their massive capital "the regressive left" when they are people trying to dull the minds of the masses in favor of the perpetuation of mindless, zombie-esque consumerism and ever-unfair capitalism. Something not very left wing at all, because it fucks up life for the worker, and makes the groceries his very life relies on more and more expensive, and the colourful and mind numbingly low brow mass media distracts him with scapegoats.
Pewdiepie is not an antisemite or a racist, that is for sure, it's the murdoch media(who both puppets "leftist" news networks and "right wing" news networks) trying to spin outrage out of nothing.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51834773]I just clicked at a random point and Sargon and Kraut and Jon were making shit up about Cultural marxism, so lets end that meme once and for all.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School[/url]
[Emphasis Mine]
It was never funny to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Wikipedia is extremely biased on this topic for the same reason the gamergate article is terrible. It's a "conspiracy theory" in the same way gamergate is a misogynist hate campaign to get womeynz out of gaming.
I shoudlnt even need to be making this post but no a term that describes an ideaology is not a conspiracy theory because the ryulong says it is.
[QUOTE=mchapra;51835475]i cant believe there are people who see young adults venting on tumblr as this much of a threat
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
like where do you live like holy shit because i live in reality
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
do sargon and jontron live in some dystopic society where out of shape women with dyed hair lynch them like whats the deal
like is this some sort of obsession with being the underdog or victim, i do not get it[/QUOTE]
They're not a threat, but it's worth pointing out why they're wrong.
[QUOTE=mchapra;51835475]i cant believe there are people who see young adults venting on tumblr as this much of a threat
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
like where do you live like holy shit because i live in reality
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
do sargon and jontron live in some dystopic society where out of shape women with dyed hair lynch them like whats the deal
like is this some sort of obsession with being the underdog or victim, i do not get it[/QUOTE]
And in your reality protests aren't burning and breaking shit to silence dissenters, nobody is punching people for their (bad) opinions during street interviews, and WSJ never wrote a hit-piece of shite yellow journalism on PewDiePie?
I don't think we're in the same plane of existence here, either that, or you threw that around just to make little of someone, which btw, was pretty uncalled for.
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
Also, they're a threat to people's livelyhood/hobbies. Pewd lost quite a fucking lot here.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;51835727]And in your reality protests aren't burning and breaking shit to silence dissenters, nobody is punching people for their (bad) opinions during street interviews, and WSJ never wrote a hit-piece of shite yellow journalism on PewDiePie?
I don't think we're in the same plane of existence here, either that, or you threw that around just to make little of someone, which btw, was pretty uncalled for.
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
Also, they're a threat to people's livelyhood/hobbies. Pewd lost quite a fucking lot here.[/QUOTE]
Antifa being a throbbing mound of ducks is a very different problem. Most-- if not the vast majority-- of protestors are doing it peacefully.
Not to mention that Antifa are considered fucking jokes by the vast majority of the left and don't want anything to do with them, or the crazed "SJW" college kids.
Meanwhile the far right control all three branches of the US government, caused brexit, lead in polls in both France and the Netherlands, have Russia sowing dissent across the world and have random nut jobs go out and commit fucking shootings in various countries. They also have popular you tube channels and Trump is defended and praised by the mainstream right not to mention he got elected.
The hard right are keeping the poor fucked with very little social mobility, deny climate change and are seriously incompetent at governing which is causing chaos throughout the world. They are popular and continue to court support by the masses by spreading hatred via lies and are generally all round bloody awful people.
But let's ignore all that. An asshole leftist in Poland kicked some bin over during a otherwise peaceful protest and a college guy in the west coast US claims to hate himself because he's not black enough, these are the guys we clearly need to focus on and are the ones who are the poison to society.
This shit is beyond infuriating.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51834773]I just clicked at a random point and Sargon and Kraut and Jon were making shit up about Cultural marxism, so lets end that meme once and for all.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School[/url]
[Emphasis Mine]
It was never funny to begin with.[/QUOTE]
You [B]are[/B] aware there was an actual, genuine controversy when the page on so-called Cultural Marxism was, for the most part, torn apart and replaced with the "Frankfurt School Conspiracy" yes?
If you're not, then I'll do the thing my high-school [I]Spanish[/I] teacher did and say, "anyone can edit Wikipedia."
Except not anyone can.
Wikipedia is demonstrably steeped in bureaucratic hegemony and formalism, to the extent that someone's [I]years[/I] as an editor count for more than their citations, their real-world expertise, or really anything else.
Cultural Marxism is a real thing. A real "not a conspiracy" thing.
Think of it like this.
The overwhelming majority of Americans think that the Civil War was a war fought about [I]slavery.[/I] Not about anything else.
Except that it wasn't. You don't need to be some high-level History wizard, or a Southerner, to plainly see that on the run-up to the American Civil War, a lot of issues were at stake, bigger issues than just, "can we have slaves or not." Never mind that there were a lot of issues to the whole slavery thing that made it more complicated and nuanced than just, "have 'em or don't," like the fact that the places which abolished and largely decried slavery were more highly industrialized and urbanized, and stood to lose far less than oh, large agrarian regions with high demands for manpower in employment that is, even today, not preferable (or done) by people with any socio-economic mobility.
But.
A lot of teachers in America were taught that the Civil War was a war about slavery, by teachers that were taught that the Civil War was a war about slavery, by teachers that were taught that the war was a war about slavery, by teachers who grew up [I]in the period after the war, when there was a genuine and invested interest in the creation of anti-southern propaganda.[/I]
Said teachers, teaching teachers, created textbooks that taught teachers. If I really have to do some weird magically hokey-pokey to show how that creates an intellectual bias, then this is all lost on whoever's reading this.
But, if you accept that the intellectual bias becomes created, then you accept that, the way you teach certain things shapes the reality of certain things.
Another example.
At the end of the U.S. Presidential inauguration, the President says, "[B]so help me god.[/B]" These words are [I]not[/I] part of the constitutional oath of office however. They are based entirely on a likely fabricated account by a Historian who himself swears he heard them as an [B]eight year old[/B] child at [I]George Fucking Washington's[/I] inauguration.
So, a historian (likely) made up some fact, and that fact is now the actual fact, that formulates and shapes the [I]oath of office[/I] of every president since then.
The way we are taught things influences how we perceive the things we are taught. End of story, on that, at least.
The idea behind the Frankfurt School Conspiracy (the actual conspiracy) is that a group of German Social-Realists realized this, and came to agree that you have to [I]intentionally teach[/I] a version of the facts that you want to become the real version of the facts. In this way, you shape society in later generations.
You might argue whether or not there is some real conspiracy to this effect (my money's on 'there is not') but you cannot deny that teacher's biases can, and will, effect the focuses of their teaching and some of the salient effects of their teaching.
Or, have you seriously never had a teacher who blatantly did not give a shit about what they were teaching, and were a shitty teacher because of it? Can you imagine a teacher who [I]secretly[/I] did not give a shit about their subject, and thereby was unnoticeable a worse teacher for it? Can you imagine a teacher who [I]secretly[/I] believed in Intelligent Design, and taught Evolution less-well as a result?
If "yes," then congratulations, you've endorsed the Frankfurt School Conspiracy.
When did Cultural Marxism become a bad thing?
[QUOTE=mchapra;51835475]i cant believe there are people who see young adults venting on tumblr as this much of a threat
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
like where do you live like holy shit because i live in reality
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
do sargon and jontron live in some dystopic society where out of shape women with dyed hair lynch them like whats the deal
like is this some sort of obsession with being the underdog or victim, i do not get it[/QUOTE]
Well most of these guys have been flagged by an SJW or a group of SJWs at least once. I mean that doesn't make them special or anything, but most of them have, in a sense, been attacked at least once.
With that said, consider the following: Sargon has been continuously subjecting himself to story after story about SJWs doing terrible things and almost nothing else since 2014. Some of these other guys have been doing it even longer. I don't doubt most of them were scumbags before they got started but you are seriously asking to have your worldview distorted if you do something like this.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51836407]Imagine making a Youtube career out of SJW commentary.
At least some deviate to other topics too, like how disgusting Islam really is and stuff.[/QUOTE]
A lot of them do, but it mainly seems to be in response to SJWs defending Islam. That's kind of a theme with these guys: If the SJWs weren't defending it, then it wouldn't be a problem.
I swear these people's lives would lose all meaning if they didn't have the vague fear of SJW's being around.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;51836395]Well most of these guys have been flagged by an SJW or a group of SJWs at least once. I mean that doesn't make them special or anything, but most of them have, in a sense, been attacked at least once.
With that said, consider the following: Sargon has been continuously subjecting himself to story after story about SJWs doing terrible things and almost nothing else since 2014. Some of these other guys have been doing it even longer. I don't doubt most of them were scumbags before they got started but you are seriously asking to have your worldview distorted if you do something like this.[/QUOTE]
Just shows they lack critical thinking skills and the ability to self-reflect, if anything.
Somehow the thought of listening to Sargon again actually became more horrible with the thought I'd have to listen to Sky and JonTron talk politics too
Cursed video
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