Sargon of Akkad, Jontron, Boogie, Sky!, and more, discuss Pewdiepie on Livestream - General

[QUOTE=KillRay;51836489]Somehow the thought of listening to Sargon again actually became more horrible with the thought I'd have to listen to Sky and JonTron talk politics too Cursed video[/QUOTE] At least you don't have to listen to people with no bigger issues in their lives mouth breathe about SJW's again.

I used to like Jontron's content but independently of his political stances, I started losing interest when he started relying on shock-value or absurdist skits. I just liked it when he goofed on a video game or a type of video game. Even his Star Wars series wasn't bad because at least the bits there had kind of a theme and a point. But yeah my interest in his stuff dropped a while back and especially with the goofy shit he's been saying on his Twitter that shows a real lack of any insight whatsoever, I can't willfully listen to him talk about politics anymore.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;51836168]Not to mention that Antifa are considered fucking jokes by the vast majority of the left and don't want anything to do with them, or the crazed "SJW" college kids. Meanwhile the far right control all three branches of the US government, caused brexit, lead in polls in both France and the Netherlands, have Russia sowing dissent across the world and have random nut jobs go out and commit fucking shootings in various countries. They also have popular you tube channels and Trump is defended and praised by the mainstream right not to mention he got elected. The hard right are keeping the poor fucked with very little social mobility, deny climate change and are seriously incompetent at governing which is causing chaos throughout the world. They are popular and continue to court support by the masses by spreading hatred via lies and are generally all round bloody awful people. But let's ignore all that. An asshole leftist in Poland kicked some bin over during a otherwise peaceful protest and a college guy in the west coast US claims to hate himself because he's not black enough, these are the guys we clearly need to focus on and are the ones who are the poison to society. This shit is beyond infuriating.[/QUOTE] Never claimed the far-right fucktards are any better, Brexit, Trump and all their friends are doing just as bad. [QUOTE=Super Muffin;51836498]At least you don't have to listen to people with [B]no bigger issues in their lives mouth breathe about SJW's [/B]again.[/QUOTE] Why is this an issue, again? [url=https://www.brainpickings.org/2015/08/10/leisure-the-basis-of-culture-josef-pieper/]Leisure time leads well to reading, thinking and discussing.[/url] A lot of the older philosophers were rich motherfuckers who could just afford to be doing that rather than mind-numbing repetitive labor. Denouncing people for their priviledges is a lazy way of discrediting them rather than discussing their points.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51834850]Fuck mate, if Sargon is an alt-righter in your eyes then that term is absolutely useless.[/QUOTE] It's an easy mistake to make. Sargon makes a lot of the same talking points the alt-right makes, attacks the same targets the alt-right attacks, defends alt-right stalwarts with genuine and not so genuine arguments, and generally falls to the right on every issue except economics, where he has criticized capitalism often enough to make me wonder why he labels himself a "classical liberal", who would have more alike with the neoliberalism that he hates so much. [QUOTE=KillRay;51836489]Somehow the thought of listening to Sargon again actually became more horrible with the thought I'd have to listen to Sky and JonTron talk politics too Cursed video[/QUOTE] To be fair I turned it on at a random moment and heard Sargon correct someone else that it's not all progressives that are the crazy social justice which is better than what I've seen some posters in this very thread say previously on FP. [QUOTE=Pascall;51836526]I used to like Jontron's content but independently of his political stances, I started losing interest when he started relying on shock-value or absurdist skits. I just liked it when he goofed on a video game or a type of video game. Even his Star Wars series wasn't bad because at least the bits there had kind of a theme and a point. But yeah my interest in his stuff dropped a while back and especially with the goofy shit he's been saying on his Twitter that shows a real lack of any insight whatsoever, I can't willfully listen to him talk about politics anymore.[/QUOTE] I think what happened was someone who wasn't very politically experienced got dogpiled by leftist wingnuts and the only people who stuck up for him happened to be people like Sargon who have successfully brought him into the fold with their line of thinking.

I dont think Jon's a bad guy in any way, some of his views if they are what i think he means them to be are fine, some i disagree with, but in general he's a normal guy. The issue i think he has is he explains his views like a fucking idiot. [editline]17th February 2017[/editline] With all due respect of course, big fan 10/10.

I think the necessary part of being a content viewer or a member of the audience is knowing when to separate someone from their content. Someone can put out some decent stuff but be kind of a dumb moron. And vice versa. Someone can put out terrible content but be a pretty nice person! Just kinda depends on what your personal line is for different things that can be breached.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51836834] I think what happened was someone who wasn't very politically experienced got dogpiled by leftist wingnuts and the only people who stuck up for him happened to be people like Sargon who have successfully brought him into the fold with their line of thinking.[/QUOTE] This is exactly what I was afraid of when when GG first started- nothing would really be solved, the other side would just recruit more fir thier own for a net increase in total assholes on either side. Left and Right don't cancel each other out, they just cross-pollinate to better reproduce than they ever could alone

[QUOTE=mchapra;51835475]i cant believe there are people who see young adults venting on tumblr as this much of a threat [editline]17th February 2017[/editline] like where do you live like holy shit because i live in reality [editline]17th February 2017[/editline] do sargon and jontron live in some dystopic society where out of shape women with dyed hair lynch them like whats the deal like is this some sort of obsession with being the underdog or victim, i do not get it[/QUOTE] its just right-wing sjw's complaining about left wing sjw's.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;51836168]Not to mention that Antifa are considered fucking jokes by the vast majority of the left and don't want anything to do with them, or the crazed "SJW" college kids. Meanwhile the far right control all three branches of the US government, caused brexit, lead in polls in both France and the Netherlands, have Russia sowing dissent across the world and have random nut jobs go out and commit fucking shootings in various countries. They also have popular you tube channels and Trump is defended and praised by the mainstream right not to mention he got elected. The hard right are keeping the poor fucked with very little social mobility, deny climate change and are seriously incompetent at governing which is causing chaos throughout the world. They are popular and continue to court support by the masses by spreading hatred via lies and are generally all round bloody awful people. But let's ignore all that. An asshole leftist in Poland kicked some bin over during a otherwise peaceful protest and a college guy in the west coast US claims to hate himself because he's not black enough, these are the guys we clearly need to focus on and are the ones who are the poison to society. This shit is beyond infuriating.[/QUOTE] Don't forget every time I tell you a land whale wants to #killallmen I get extra kudos, credibility, subs, and I get to chain up reinforcement of the administration by saying this is why trump won!

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51836211]The overwhelming majority of Americans think that the Civil War was a war fought about [I]slavery.[/I] Not about anything else. Except that it wasn't. [/QUOTE] Of COURSE the civil war was fought over slavery! Anyone who says "states rights" is bullshitting you. It's a practically unanimous consensus at this point. Here's Ty Seidul, PragerU, a very conservative youtube channel, to explain it in this video. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcy7qV-BGF4[/media]

[QUOTE=mchapra;51835475]i cant believe there are people who see young adults venting on tumblr as this much of a threat [editline]17th February 2017[/editline] like where do you live like holy shit because i live in reality [editline]17th February 2017[/editline] do sargon and jontron live in some dystopic society where out of shape women with dyed hair lynch them like whats the deal like is this some sort of obsession with being the underdog or victim, i do not get it[/QUOTE] "it doesn't affect me so it's not real" A shit ton of these 'tumblr people' as you call them have six figure jobs in entertainment, media, and marketing, and they use them as leverage points to fuck over people they don't like. Repeatedly and permanently. It's like you didn't even read anything about why there was a stream in the first place.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;51833652]Yeah, but it has been used recently a lot by, at least, Sargon's circle of belief, to refer to someone becoming anti-sjw. Also apparently the term for such a person is a "Shitlord" but meh, it's just ephemeral language.[/QUOTE] You're taking it a bit too seriously, it's more of a meme for sargon than anything

[QUOTE=27X;51837728]"it doesn't affect me so it's not real" A shit ton of these 'tumblr people' as you call them have six figure jobs in entertainment, media, and marketing, and they use them as leverage points to fuck over people they don't like. Repeatedly and permanently. It's like you didn't even read anything about why there was a stream in the first place.[/QUOTE] So do you care about this because you think they're special in that way or do you care because you think they specifically need to be brought to justice as opposed to the thousands of other people who do exactly the same thing?

[QUOTE=27X;51837728]"it doesn't affect me so it's not real" A shit ton of these 'tumblr people' as you call them have six figure jobs in entertainment, media, and marketing, and they use them as leverage points to fuck over people they don't like. Repeatedly and permanently. It's like you didn't even read anything about why there was a stream in the first place.[/QUOTE] thats basically nothing compared to all the higher up right wing lunatics who are doing the same thing (and there are a lot more of them) but people go after sjw's because they're low hanging fruit

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;51837992]So do you care about this because you think they're special in that way or do you care because you think they specifically need to be brought to justice as opposed to the thousands of other people who do exactly the same thing?[/QUOTE] McCarthyism in any form is bullshit, regardless of the source.

[QUOTE=27X;51838599]McCarthyism in any form is bullshit, regardless of the source.[/QUOTE] You know we're talking about a guy that petitioned for a temporary ban on social justice courses in universities, right?

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51833748]The fact that the mark of an enlightened anti-sjw is a reference to a movie made by two transwomen with colored hair is somewhat ironic I think[/QUOTE] Woah, you mean I can't enjoy the works of a person who I don't agree 100% with? Does this mean books by Orson Scott Card are a big no no for me? Because I disagree with his political opinion? What about all the authors of books made in a time where racism was okay? Oh crap, Robert De Niro is an antivaxxer, can't enjoy any of his movies now.

lets be honest, orson scott card books should be a no no for you because they're terrible

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51839622]Woah, you mean I can't enjoy the works of a person who I don't agree 100% with? Does this mean books by Orson Scott Card are a big no no for me? Because I disagree with his political opinion?[/QUOTE] Nah but it's kind of like being a racist and your favorite song being love train. The allegory at play in the matrix is quite literally about them.

[QUOTE=Mining Bill;51841511]lets be honest, orson scott card books should be a no no for you because they're terrible[/QUOTE] Sure pal, and all these awards they got are fake and don't represent the quality of the works [url]https://www.google.de/search?q=orson+scott+card&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=WeGoWPrwOezM8geR952oBw#q=orson+scott+card+awards&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LUz9U3SCuoKjHVks1OttJPLE8sSoGQ8eWZeXmpRVZgTjEA5wIyCCwAAAA[/url] [editline]19th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;51841530]Nah but it's kind of like being a racist and your favorite song being love train. The allegory at play in the matrix is quite literally about them.[/QUOTE] How is the concept of red pill (representing the choice between embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality) about the directors being transwomen? How is being anti-SJW against transgender?

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51842629]Sure pal, and all these awards they got are fake and don't represent the quality of the works [URL]https://www.google.de/search?q=orson+scott+card&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=WeGoWPrwOezM8geR952oBw#q=orson+scott+card+awards&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LUz9U3SCuoKjHVks1OttJPLE8sSoGQ8eWZeXmpRVZgTjEA5wIyCCwAAAA[/URL] [editline]19th February 2017[/editline] How is the concept of red pill (representing the choice between embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality) about the directors being transwomen? How is being anti-SJW against transgender?[/QUOTE] The "red pill" in 4chan/reddit colloquialism goes a little more than just """anti-sjw""". Usually it entails learning about the jewish question, why women are all BITCHES who reject good nice guys for assholes, why multiculturalism doesn't work, etc.. All comforting wall shadows

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51842629] How is the concept of red pill (representing the choice between embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality) about the directors being transwomen? How is being anti-SJW against transgender?[/QUOTE] The "painful truth of reality" that redpillers will tell you about trans individuals is that they're still their original gender but with a mental disorder. Intentional misgendering and their "attack helicopter" trite isn't isolated to them but it is characteristic of their opinions on transfolk.

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51842629]Sure pal, and all these awards they got are fake and don't represent the quality of the works [url]https://www.google.de/search?q=orson+scott+card&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=WeGoWPrwOezM8geR952oBw#q=orson+scott+card+awards&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LUz9U3SCuoKjHVks1OttJPLE8sSoGQ8eWZeXmpRVZgTjEA5wIyCCwAAAA[/url] [editline]19th February 2017[/editline] How is the concept of red pill (representing the choice between embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality) about the directors being transwomen? How is being anti-SJW against transgender?[/QUOTE] read the gatefather trilogy and just try to come away with an intact will to live, i dare you

I think its sargon and jontrons right to discuss this always but I sort of think jontron at least is a massive idiot - it's obvious he's skim read like 3 articles, decided they have a lot of opinions based on emotion no opinion on sargon - haven't listened to him much

Sky reciting the 14 words was fucking hilarious

[QUOTE=killerteacup;51842927]I think its sargon and jontrons right to discuss this always but I sort of think jontron at least is a massive idiot - it's obvious he's skim read like 3 articles, decided they have a lot of opinions based on emotion no opinion on sargon - haven't listened to him much[/QUOTE] I don't get the impression that jontron even reads articles but instead just shares what he hears from people around him.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51836211]You [B]are[/B] aware there was an actual, genuine controversy when the page on so-called Cultural Marxism was, for the most part, torn apart and replaced with the "Frankfurt School Conspiracy" yes? If you're not, then I'll do the thing my high-school [I]Spanish[/I] teacher did and say, "anyone can edit Wikipedia." Except not anyone can. Wikipedia is demonstrably steeped in bureaucratic hegemony and formalism, to the extent that someone's [I]years[/I] as an editor count for more than their citations, their real-world expertise, or really anything else. Cultural Marxism is a real thing. A real "not a conspiracy" thing. Think of it like this. The overwhelming majority of Americans think that the Civil War was a war fought about [I]slavery.[/I] Not about anything else. Except that it wasn't. You don't need to be some high-level History wizard, or a Southerner, to plainly see that on the run-up to the American Civil War, a lot of issues were at stake, bigger issues than just, "can we have slaves or not." Never mind that there were a lot of issues to the whole slavery thing that made it more complicated and nuanced than just, "have 'em or don't," like the fact that the places which abolished and largely decried slavery were more highly industrialized and urbanized, and stood to lose far less than oh, large agrarian regions with high demands for manpower in employment that is, even today, not preferable (or done) by people with any socio-economic mobility. But. A lot of teachers in America were taught that the Civil War was a war about slavery, by teachers that were taught that the Civil War was a war about slavery, by teachers that were taught that the war was a war about slavery, by teachers who grew up [I]in the period after the war, when there was a genuine and invested interest in the creation of anti-southern propaganda.[/I] Said teachers, teaching teachers, created textbooks that taught teachers. If I really have to do some weird magically hokey-pokey to show how that creates an intellectual bias, then this is all lost on whoever's reading this. But, if you accept that the intellectual bias becomes created, then you accept that, the way you teach certain things shapes the reality of certain things. Another example. At the end of the U.S. Presidential inauguration, the President says, "[B]so help me god.[/B]" These words are [I]not[/I] part of the constitutional oath of office however. They are based entirely on a likely fabricated account by a Historian who himself swears he heard them as an [B]eight year old[/B] child at [I]George Fucking Washington's[/I] inauguration. So, a historian (likely) made up some fact, and that fact is now the actual fact, that formulates and shapes the [I]oath of office[/I] of every president since then. The way we are taught things influences how we perceive the things we are taught. End of story, on that, at least. The idea behind the Frankfurt School Conspiracy (the actual conspiracy) is that a group of German Social-Realists realized this, and came to agree that you have to [I]intentionally teach[/I] a version of the facts that you want to become the real version of the facts. In this way, you shape society in later generations. You might argue whether or not there is some real conspiracy to this effect (my money's on 'there is not') but you cannot deny that teacher's biases can, and will, effect the focuses of their teaching and some of the salient effects of their teaching. Or, have you seriously never had a teacher who blatantly did not give a shit about what they were teaching, and were a shitty teacher because of it? Can you imagine a teacher who [I]secretly[/I] did not give a shit about their subject, and thereby was unnoticeable a worse teacher for it? Can you imagine a teacher who [I]secretly[/I] believed in Intelligent Design, and taught Evolution less-well as a result? If "yes," then congratulations, you've endorsed the Frankfurt School Conspiracy.[/QUOTE] Isn't it strange that you sound like a feverish conspiracy theorist linking irrelevant things together to prove that Cultural Marxism isn't a conspiracy theory?

It's crazy to think that jontron is now apart of Sargan's regulars. I just never thought I would see that.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;51843756]Isn't it strange that you sound like a feverish conspiracy theorist linking irrelevant things together to prove that Cultural Marxism isn't a conspiracy theory?[/QUOTE] facepuncher's guide to kafkatrapping, example by lonstriper, good show old boy

Glad to see my main man Fantano in this