[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;47546158]I'm looking forward to this. Man of Steel was better than any of the Marvel movies.[/QUOTE]
hahahaha, nearly had me going. you rascal
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;47545090][B]Just because "comicbook superheroes" doesn't mean it all has to be "lol superman commin to save the day is it a bird is it a plane xD"[/B] It's probably gritty because of the subject matter? It sucks for [B]EVERYBODY[/B] involved. Not all DC Comics Films are all gritty, Superman Returns, pre-nolan Batman etc.[/QUOTE]
No, but it would sure help make it fun and not boring as hell like the first movie. Comic book films can be about serious subject matters and be fun at the same time.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;47546158]I'm looking forward to this. Man of Steel was better than any of the Marvel movies.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4[/media]
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;47546158]I'm looking forward to this. Man of Steel was better than any of the Marvel movies.[/QUOTE]
The Unpopular Opinions thread is in Fast Threads, just so you know.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;47546158]I'm looking forward to this. Man of Steel was better than any of the Marvel movies.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Guardians is the only Marvel movie to blow me away. Better than MoS by far. I don't know if you're getting dumbed because people love the MCU movies that much or if MoS just sucks shit in comparison. Daredevil is the best thing we've gotten by far though I don't see DC or Marvel's movies ever coming close to Netflix's stuff.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;47546728]I agree. Guardians is the only Marvel movie to blow me away. Better than MoS by far. I don't know if you're getting dumbed because people love the MCU movies that much or if MoS just sucks shit in comparison. Daredevil is the best thing we've gotten by far though I don't see DC or Marvel's movies ever coming close to Netflix's stuff.[/QUOTE]
Hey there. I enjoy Daredevil as well. The story, character and action elements go together very nicely, which is more than I can say for the Marvel movies.
What I don't like is how the motivation for batman seems to be that batman is scared of superman having so much power.
It made more sense in the comic / cartoon movie of TDK returns.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;47547654]What I don't like is how the motivation for batman seems to be that batman is scared of superman having so much power.
It made more sense in the comic / cartoon movie of TDK returns.[/QUOTE]
If Superman were real, it would be legitimately terrifying.
Sure, he's good now. But, what about when he's not?
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;47544498]Why would Superman go rogue/power-hungry?
If anything it's people reacting to Superman destroying the entire city of Metropolis to get to one guy in an unnecessary orgy of special effects and white noise and then killing that guy in cold blood and then destroying US military property that was trying to spy on him.
Soooo, yeah. I'd be pissed if this wasn't the reaction he was getting. Man of Steel made him anything but a superhero.[/QUOTE]
i don't get where you're getting the whole unnecessary orgy of special effects and killing zod in cold blood from.
the guy is a literal god and he's fighting another god that's even more godlike. there is bound to be massive destruction and chaos when the two fight. and supes didn't even kill zod in cold blood, did you not get that no matter what happens, as long as zod is alive he will destroy earth and all of humanity? that was the whole point of supes deciding to kill him because he had no other choice.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;47546728]I agree. Guardians is the only Marvel movie to blow me away. Better than MoS by far. I don't know if you're getting dumbed because people love the MCU movies that much or if MoS just sucks shit in comparison. Daredevil is the best thing we've gotten by far though I don't see DC or Marvel's movies ever coming close to Netflix's stuff.[/QUOTE]
DC TV shows Arrow and Flash are really good but I haven't seen Daredevil yet. My friend said that it's quite good.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;47548192]i don't get where you're getting the whole unnecessary orgy of special effects and killing zod in cold blood from.
the guy is a literal god and he's fighting another god that's even more godlike. there is bound to be massive destruction and chaos when the two fight. and supes didn't even kill zod in cold blood, did you not get that no matter what happens, as long as zod is alive he will destroy earth and all of humanity? that was the whole point of supes deciding to kill him because he had no other choice.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw_GlYve_Lg[/media]
And if you still have that argument after the video,
[quote]If your comment is concerning the FICTIONAL SITUATIONS WHICH CAUSE FICTIONAL DECISIONS TO BE MADE BY FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, then you're not responding to what I'm saying.
So in other words, if you're going to say something like "OF COURSE THE CITY WAS DESTROYED, THEY HAVE SUPERPOWERS" or "CLARK COULDN'T GET HIM AWAY FROM THE CITY," you're not addressing my point in the video. You're talking about the fictional choices in a fictional event.
In the video, I'm talking about the necessity for destruction on that scale in a film about Superman, which I feel was gratuitous and unnecessary. I'm very pro-violence and destruction in movies; this rant isn't against that, It's against using it in a way I feel is lame or doesn't fit the story.
My issue isn't with the specific content of the fictional stories, but the nature of the stories being told. People seem to be really misunderstanding this.
If you're saying anything about "the choices Superman made/didn't make," you're not talking about what I said in the video.[/quote]
I'm kinda hyped. Just wish Batman had lenses on his normal suit.
Also the idea of a young/inexperienced Superman being treated as a prophet/God is pretty cool, since he wouldn't really know how to react. Does he crush his followers belief and renounce his supposed God-hood? I just hope the outcome doesn't involve people dying and hating him even more either way.
Like in this shot the Soldiers wear his S so this cult based around him has become militarised.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/V1D5KCY.jpg[/t]
And he looks pretty worried during this scene
[t]http://i.imgur.com/jhYJPiW.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;47548336][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw_GlYve_Lg[/media]
And if you still have that argument after the video,[/QUOTE]
Hey man, it's okay for people to like other things, It's okay for people to think differently then you. You don't need to find a self-important university drop-out to tell us about how we're wrong. You can let it go.
I would like to take this time to point out that 95% of the destruction to Metropolis in [I]Man of Steel[/I] was caused by the giant energy cannon that was going to basically destroy everything on the surface of the planet
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[I]That being said,[/i] Superman didn't need to punch people through as many buildings as he did.
[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;47548516]I would like to take this time to point out that 95% of the destruction to Metropolis in [I]Man of Steel[/I] was caused by the giant energy cannon that was going to basically destroy everything on the surface of the planet
[t]http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1534/15344212/2343718-8083478626-World.jpg[/t][t]http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VCLXtpQ2N7Y/maxresdefault.jpg[/t][t]http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/59472/woeld%20thing.jpg[/t]
[I]That being said,[/i] Superman didn't need to punch people through as many buildings as he did.[/QUOTE]
except supes punches people through buildings all the time in both comics and animated shows.
people arguing about this shit of "superman doesn't kill!" or "superman doesn't destroy!" are completely oblivious to every material containing supes.
I'm just annoyed when people talk about how Superman single-handedly flattened Metropolis. For crying out loud, he was on [I]the other side of the planet[/I] when most of the destruction took place.
I didn't even like [I]Man of Steel[/I] that much, but if you're going to criticize it at least talk about things that actually happened in the movie.
[QUOTE=ThisGuy69s;47548478]Hey man, it's okay for people to like other things, It's okay for people to think differently then you. You don't need to find a self-important university drop-out to tell us about how we're wrong. You can let it go.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, he did write a very good film, Chronicle, and has a bit to say in regards to that.
Then, on the side of logic and reason, opinions as great as they are, can be wrong. Factually speaking opinions can be wrong, and sometimes there are very good logical reasons why somethings some people think are wrong.
I greatly enjoyed the Man of Steel film, it was a good visual film and it had some good undertones that I think are often ignored, but yeah, murdering Zod is the least problematic thing with the film and leads us to some very difficult questions.
[editline]17th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;47548536]except supes punches people through buildings all the time in both comics and animated shows.
people arguing about this shit of "superman doesn't kill!" or "superman doesn't destroy!" are completely oblivious to every material containing supes.[/QUOTE]
I don't agree necessarily.
Yeah, he does do that, but in cartoons it's a little more believable there's less collateral damage in terms of life.
Also, a key character element of Supes can be summed up pretty well in this clip.
[video=youtube;Cl_5UwS57X8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl_5UwS57X8[/video]
He's always doing everything he can to not end up in a situation where he's decimating cities.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47548597]To be fair, he did write a very good film, Chronicle, and has a bit to say in regards to that.
Then, on the side of logic and reason, opinions as great as they are, can be wrong. Factually speaking opinions can be wrong, and sometimes there are very good logical reasons why somethings some people think are wrong.
I greatly enjoyed the Man of Steel film, it was a good visual film and it had some good undertones that I think are often ignored, but yeah, murdering Zod is the least problematic thing with the film and leads us to some very difficult questions.[/QUOTE]
There are no problems though, it's a film. You either like it or dislike it. There is nothing to be proven nor anything to be fought over. Move on.
Also opinions are seperated from fact because there are no facts associated with opinion. An opinion is an opinion because it is your view on facts as they are, as in "I like (fact)" or "I hate (fact)", so no opinion can actually be wrong... I don't know where you're getting "Factually speaking opinions can be wrong".... that statement makes 0 sense.
[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;47548560]I'm just annoyed when people talk about how Superman single-handedly flattened Metropolis. For crying out loud, he was on [I]the other side of the planet[/I] when most of the destruction took place.
I didn't even like [I]Man of Steel[/I] that much, but if you're going to criticize it at least talk about things that actually happened in the movie.[/QUOTE]
A huge amount of the damage was caused previously but there's a lot of damage caused by him in that fight as well. It wasn't single handed, and you're right to call people out on that, but it's not like he didn't kill any innocents in that film. He totally did.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;47548536]except supes punches people through buildings all the time in both comics and animated shows.
people arguing about this shit of "superman doesn't kill!" or "superman doesn't destroy!" are completely oblivious to every material containing supes.[/QUOTE]
lol i always thought it was super weird to see people saying the animated series of superman being their favorite whilst saying that it was wrong that superman fights shouldn't destroy half a city or whatever. that shit happened all the time in the show, mos just made it look real.
that said though, i wouldn't say that people who say superman doesn't kill or superman shouldn't destroy are necessary oblivious to every material containing supes. it's just their preferred superman. some comic book writers like mark waid have used that exact same argument and besides, there were periods in superman's very long history where he DID have a no-kill policy and he DID try to avoid collateral damage by doing something clever instead of having a punching contest. but there were also periods where he didn't too.
[QUOTE=ThisGuy69s;47548609]There are no problems though, it's a film. You either like it or dislike it. There is nothing to be proven nor anything to be fought over. Move on.[/QUOTE]
I disagree whole heartedly.
Film, like any art form, is there for people to engage with. This is a common form of engagement with film, and especially with films that have larger universes.
You're not much of a writer, are you?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47548621]I disagree whole heartedly.
Film, like any art form, is there for people to engage with. This is a common form of engagement with film, and especially with films that have larger universes.
You're not much of a writer, are you?[/QUOTE]
An opinion is not in any form associated with fact. If I say I enjoyed Man of Steel wholeheartedly, what can you say to that other then you disagree? There is no incorrect value in that statement, nor is there anything you can really prove to me that is different.
Also what does me having experience with writing have to do with the concept of enjoyment/distaste with a story/medium? Quite condescending wouldn't you think? Alas I disagree with you so I must be a pleb who could only dabble in nonsense.
if you have an opinion feel free to voice it but since you're putting it out there you should expect people to question you and challenge you on it
[QUOTE=ThisGuy69s;47548639]An opinion is not in any form associated with fact. If I say I enjoyed Man of Steel wholeheartedly, what can you say to that other then you disagree? There is no incorrect value in that statement, nor is there anything you can really prove to me that is different.[/QUOTE]
That's not what I mean but sure, I can't disagree with your opinion that you liked the film, but if you like the film because you think a certain trope is brilliant or a piece of the plot is particularly amazing when it's a common cliche or you think a story is flawless when it has tons of plot holes, your opinion can actually be wrong.
Just like if you said "I don't believe in gravity", that opinion is wrong. It gets a lot fuzzier when you move onto the arts, but I believe art exists primarily to engage us and have us engage with each other, not to just "I like it" "I don't" "good day sir" level of exchanges but more in depth than that.
[editline]17th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=ThisGuy69s;47548639]
Also what does me having experience with writing have to do with the concept of enjoyment/distaste with a story/medium? Quite condescending wouldn't you think? Alas I disagree with you so I must be a pleb who could only dabble in nonsense.[/QUOTE]
The reason I said that is because you said 'It's a film, there's nothing to talk about'. That to me, is wrong. There's a lot to talk about there from a creative point of view, from an investigative point of view, there's a lot to be said or thought about.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47548657]That's not what I mean but sure, I can't disagree with your opinion that you liked the film, but if you like the film because you think a certain trope is brilliant or a piece of the plot is particularly amazing when it's a common cliche or you think a story is flawless when it has tons of plot holes, your opinion can actually be wrong.
Just like if you said "I don't believe in gravity", that opinion is wrong. It gets a lot fuzzier when you move onto the arts, but I believe art exists primarily to engage us and have us engage with each other, not to just "I like it" "I don't" "good day sir" level of exchanges but more in depth than that.
[editline]17th April 2015[/editline]
The reason I said that is because you said 'It's a film, there's nothing to talk about'. That to me, is wrong. There's a lot to talk about there from a creative point of view, from an investigative point of view, there's a lot to be said or thought about.[/QUOTE]
Obviously there is a whole lot to talk about but my point was you can't keep telling people they're wrong for liking certain aspects of film, maybe some people like the fact that things aren't tied together, and actually enjoy plot holes. Just because you can only like cohesive stories and a character driven plot doesn't mean others cannot enjoy mindless action and destruction for the same reason.
An opinion is an opinion because it removes itsself from any fact or statement. An opinion is an observation of a factual situation. There are no facts in an opinion itsself. Stop telling people they're wrong for liking dumb action.
[QUOTE=ThisGuy69s;47548691]Obviously there is a whole lot to talk about but my point was you can't keep telling people they're wrong for liking certain aspects of film, maybe some people like the fact that things aren't tied together, and actually enjoy plot holes. Just because you can only like cohesive stories and a character driven plot doesn't mean others cannot enjoy mindless action and destruction for the same reason.
An opinion is an opinion because it removes itsself from any fact or statement. An opinion is an observation of a factual situation. There are no facts in an opinion itsself. Stop telling people they're wrong for liking dumb action.[/QUOTE]
I never said anyone was dumb, or wrong for liking dumb action movies.
I don't see how anyone can enjoy plot holes or bad writing without some irony being involved. If someone likes that stuff, okay, I'm not going to stop them, but I have no reason to respect that or not comment on it.
I enjoy terrible things in films, I enjoyed MoS and a lot of it's stupid but fun moments, hell, I enjoyed Suckerpunch for the most part because I just turned my brain off for it and was wowed by cinematic picture perfect brilliance, that doesn't mean I enjoyed good things. You yourself in your defense of "dumb action" called it dumb action, doesn't it being defined by it's dumbness even by it's defenders say something about why it's considered low hanging fruit in the field of media?
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