[QUOTE=Scum;47950470]why don't you guys just search it up and read about rape culture rather than just keep saying
"uh yeah but like what IS rape culture? cos i can't tell people that i totally raped someone last night so like it can't be real!"
[url]http://www.wavaw.ca/what-is-rape-culture/[/url]
[url]http://upsettingrapeculture.com/rapeculture.php[/url]
[url]https://wearawhitefeather.wordpress.com/survivors/rape-culture-statistics/[/url]
plus what does the lady expect holding up a sign like that at an anti-rape conference? she's doing some westboro baptist shit right there.
she totally doesn't deserve the online harassment and shit tho, that's fuckt.
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like even just looking at the traditional gender roles of dominant male and passive female you can see that there's room for some fuckt shit going on[/QUOTE]
So saying I got raped while playing Destiny the other day means I'm victim blaming rape victims? What? So just because I call someone a fag because they're being a fag (I don't mean they're being homosexual calm down) means that I'm apart of fag culture?
When has violence against women ever been portrayed positively other then when a women is the Dark Lord of Evil?
[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;47950531]Jesus Christ. That first source reads like a schizophrenic's journal on how the dystopian world is out to get him. I don't know what sick, strange planet these people live on, but the one I'm living on definitely doesn't conspire to commit "emotional terrorism" and normalize rape.
I mean, just look at this shit. Apparently, quote, "kids who call losing a sports game “getting totally raped.” " is a part of, quote "a complex set of beliefs that encourage male sexual aggression and supports violence against women".[/QUOTE]
i'm sorry internet man. i guess the social theorists were wrong.
" The social environment is the cultivation medium of criminality; that the criminal is the microbe, an element which only becomes important when it finds the medium which causes it to ferment ; every society has the criminals it deserves "
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[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;47950659]So saying I got raped while playing Destiny the other day means I'm victim blaming rape victims? What? So just because I call someone a fag because they're being a fag (I don't mean they're being homosexual calm down) means that I'm apart of fag culture?
When has violence against women ever been portrayed positively other then when a women is the Dark Lord of Evil?[/QUOTE]
wowzers stop the guilt complex brother.
just cos it aint your intention doesnt mean that you aren't an awful person anyway
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47950645]Most people are opposed to violence against women
Most people are against sexism in the workplace
Most people are [U]against rape.[/U]
Rape Jokes don't encourage or condone rape.
Practically nobody is perpetuating rape. Rape is a crime. Being a rapist will make you an outcast.
All of this is pretty stupid. If this is Rape Culture than its hardly a problem. You could reasonably use Stuebenvilles horrific story to push that but thats just happened because of Americas sports culture. Athletes can get away with all kinds of disgusting shit.
Society hates sexual violence. Murder in a society is inevitable but I don't say that we have a murder-culture. Honestly, using your standards I could create a narrative where society hates men
-The Draft
-https://youtu.be/im25MN5AwIc?t=23m48s
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8D1HGdhSok[/QUOTE]
rape culture isn't just aiming at the man in the darkened alleyway. it's also against the boys who take advantage of drunk girls. who don't care about affirmative consent. the seeming inevitability of rape in prisons. the brushing off of male rape. etc
[QUOTE=Scum;47950687]i'm sorry internet man. i guess the social theorists were wrong.
" The social environment is the cultivation medium of criminality; that the criminal is the microbe, an element which only becomes important when it finds the medium which causes it to ferment ; every society has the criminals it deserves "
[/QUOTE]
Please explain to me how this:
[QUOTE]…kids who call losing a sports game “getting totally raped.”[/QUOTE]
Is a part of this:
[QUOTE] complex set of beliefs that encourage male sexual aggression and supports violence against women. It is a society where violence is seen as sexy and sexuality as violent. In a rape culture, women perceive a continuum of threatened violence that ranges from sexual remarks to sexual touching to rape itself. A rape culture condones physical and emotional terrorism against women as the norm . . . In a rape culture both men and women assume that sexual violence is a fact of life, inevitable . . . However . . . much of what we accept as inevitable is in fact the expression of values and attitudes that can change. [/QUOTE]
And while you're at it, please tell me why I should take you any more seriously than any other conspiracy theorist.
[IMG]http://i61.tinypic.com/18kyso.jpg[/IMG]
infoooooooooooographic!
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[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;47950712]Please explain to me how this:
Is a part of this:
And while you're at it, please tell me why I should take you any more seriously than any other conspiracy theorist.[/QUOTE]
i dont care what you take me as as long as i give consent
I think the biggest remnant of "rape culture" in the western world is the way rape against men is not taken seriously, to the point where getting raped in prison is a common punchline in comedy and people wish it upon criminals.
Also, at least in the near past, rape culture has most certainly been alive in Japan. I've seen quite a few Anime where women have been put in "rapey" situations or damn near sexually assaulted by supposed good guys (and it's treated as OK because the guy doesn't get any sexual thrill out of it). Look at how Rei treats Mamiya when they first meet in Fist of the North Star for example.
plenty of feminists talk about how rape culture is detrimental to men too helix u big silly shit
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[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;47950712]Please explain to me how this:
Is a part of this:
And while you're at it, please tell me why I should take you any more seriously than any other conspiracy theorist.[/QUOTE]
cos it normalizes rape as a hyperbole. attaches it to trivial situations and takes away its true meaning. it also connects rape to losing. just do some research god damn
[QUOTE=Scum;47950742]plenty of feminists talk about how rape culture is detrimental to men too helix u big silly shit[/QUOTE]
Yeah that was a dumb thing to put in. I removed it.
[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;47950712]
And while you're at it, please tell me why I should take you any more seriously than any other conspiracy theorist.[/QUOTE]
also talking about rape culture is a bit different than being a 9/11 truther and you're a bit of a vile person to insinuate otherwise
[QUOTE=Scum;47950730]
infoooooooooooographic![/QUOTE]
Rape is a difficult crime to prove. You can prove that sex happened but consent is difficult. Look at the Mattress Girl story for example. She declared that an act of sex was rape months after it had happened and during those months after it had happened she was having sex with him.
He was not a rapist and it was obvious but he still got shamed and she still got cheered on despite obviously lying. Society hates rapists, it crucifies them.
[QUOTE=Scum;47950687]
rape culture isn't just aiming at the man in the darkened alleyway. it's also against the boys who take advantage of drunk girls. who don't care about affirmative consent. the seeming inevitability of rape in prisons. the brushing off of male rape. etc[/QUOTE]
You realize that nobody likes rapists right? That putting drugs in girls drinks is seen as evil and that taking advantage of a drunk person for sex is seen as rape?
[QUOTE=Scum;47950687]i'm sorry internet man. i guess the social theorists were wrong.
" The social environment is the cultivation medium of criminality; that the criminal is the microbe, an element which only becomes important when it finds the medium which causes it to ferment ; every society has the criminals it deserves "[/QUOTE]
Thank goodness people aren't purely a product of their environment and actually have some personal agency, or else this ridiculous Marxian explanation for crime would hold some weight.
[QUOTE=Scum;47950760]also talking about rape culture is a bit different than being a 9/11 truther and you're a bit of a vile person to insinuate otherwise[/QUOTE]
I never compared you to a 9/11 truther. You posted a source that said jokes and the words of children are a part of this:
[QUOTE]a complex set of beliefs that encourage male sexual aggression and supports violence against women. It is a society where violence is seen as sexy and sexuality as violent. In a rape culture, women perceive a continuum of threatened violence that ranges from sexual remarks to sexual touching to rape itself. A rape culture condones physical and emotional terrorism against women as the norm . . . In a rape culture both men and women assume that sexual violence is a fact of life, inevitable . . . However . . . much of what we accept as inevitable is in fact the expression of values and attitudes that can change. [/QUOTE]
The only vile thing here is the pungent stench of bullshit coming from that article. You could have posted any article in the world on this topic, but you posted one that is quite insane and I repsonded as such.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47950796]Rape is a difficult crime to prove. You can prove that sex happened but consent is difficult. Look at the Mattress Girl story for example. She declared that an act of sex was rape months after it had happened and during those months after it had happened she was having sex with him.
He was not a rapist and it was obvious but he still got shamed and she still got cheered on despite obviously lying. Society hates rapists, it crucifies them.
You realize that nobody likes rapists right? That putting drugs in girls drinks is seen as evil and that taking advantage of a drunk person for sex is seen as rape?[/QUOTE]
holy fuck can you not understand that it's a bit more subtle than people having rape competitions??
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[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;47950836]I never compared you to a 9/11 truther. You posted a source that said jokes and the words of children are a part of this:
The only vile thing here is the pungent stench of bullshit coming from that article. You could have posted any article in the world on this topic, but you posted one that is quite insane and I repsonded as such.[/QUOTE]
pungent stench of bullshit LMAO. pick a different article then ya dork
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and yeah ya did when you said, (pretty smugly i might add)
"Heh whatever kid prove to me why i shouldn't take you right now without your consent as a conspiracy theorist" and then you brandished some shurikens
like rape culture is some big conspiracy like 9/11 or something
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[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47950803]Thank goodness people aren't purely a product of their environment and actually have some personal agency, or else this ridiculous Marxian explanation for crime would hold some weight.[/QUOTE]
calling Alexandre Lacassagne marxian lmao.
how does the phenomena of personal agency come about? what directs it to take action?
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could it be that it is environment driven?
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oh wait you're the guy who thinks drugs are the devils semen. nevermind you
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[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47950803]Thank goodness people aren't purely a product of their environment and actually have some personal agency, or else this ridiculous Marxian explanation for crime would hold some weight.[/QUOTE]
like you saying this seems to just be akin to
#NOTALLMEN
[QUOTE=Scum;47950856]oh wait you're the guy who thinks drugs are the devils semen. nevermind you[/QUOTE]
I was listening to you quite seriously until you said this
edit: And now you're banned for shitposting, good lord.
[QUOTE=Scum;47950856]calling Alexandre Lacassagne marxian lmao.
how does the phenomena of personal agency come about? what directs it to take action?
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could it be that it is environment driven?
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oh wait you're the guy who thinks drugs are the devils semen. nevermind you
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like you saying this seems to just be akin to
#NOTALLMEN[/QUOTE]
Whether or not the originator of the quote is a Marxist is beside the point, reducing the source of crime to the class struggle is blatantly Marxian.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47951528]Whether or not the originator of the quote is a Marxist is beside the point, reducing the source of crime to the class struggle is blatantly Marxian.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you really know that much about Marx but alright. That's besides the point that Alexandre Lacassagne has nothing to do with Marx and was practically diametrically opposed to his ideas.
[QUOTE=Scum;47950730][IMG]http://i61.tinypic.com/18kyso.jpg[/IMG]
infoooooooooooographic!
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i dont care what you take me as as long as i give consent[/QUOTE]
Please read this post by me on why the 1 in 5 statistic is a pile of out of context poop.
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;47539889]Look at its response rate. 33.1%. 12,000 completed interviews. That's a small amount.
Furthermore, the 1-in-5 is based on the three categories of "completed forced penetration", "attempted forced penetration", and "alcohol- or drug-facilitated penetration". In the eyes of the law, rape is any form of non-consenting penetration. And while certain countries have begun to include more than just forced penetration, in the US (as far as I can tell), attempted rape is an entirely separate offence within the US.
Also, some questions within the survey are pretty weird. Consider this one:
[quote]When you were drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent, how many people have ever …
*had vaginal sex with you? By vaginal sex, we mean that {if female: a man or boy put his penis in your vagina} {if male: a woman or girl made you put your penis in her vagina}.
* {if male} made you perform anal sex, meaning they made you put your penis into their anus?
*made you receive anal sex, meaning they put their penis into your anus?
*put their mouth on your {if male: penis} {if female: vagina}?
*put their mouth on your anus
*made you put your mouth on their vagina or anus
*made you put your mouth on their penis
*put their fingers or an object in your [if female: vagina or} anus?[/quote]
There are two things to note about this question: It lacks a prompt for a negative answer, and it includes all sexual acts while under the influence. To put it another way, you'd still answer positively even if all of the instances came from you and your partner drinking at home leading to some bedtime together.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=thisispain;47951569]I don't think you really know that much about Marx but alright. That's besides the point that Alexandre Lacassagne has nothing to do with Marx and was practically diametrically opposed to his ideas.[/QUOTE]
I don't claim to know a significant amount about either of the men, but the sentiment behind the quote quite clearly puts the blame of crime on the upper classes, justifying their actions with inequality.
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;47951899]Please read this post by me on why the 1 in 5 statistic is a pile of out of context poop.[/QUOTE]
[quote]There are two things to note about this question: It lacks a prompt for a negative answer, and it includes all sexual acts while under the influence. To put it another way, you'd still answer positively even if all of the instances came from you and your partner drinking at home leading to some bedtime together.[/quote]
wrong
[quote]When you were drunk, high, drugged, or passed out [B]and unable to consent[/B], how many people have ever … [/quote]
poor wording perhaps, but that's still the main point of the question
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47951904]I don't claim to know a significant amount about either of the men, but the sentiment behind the quote quite clearly puts the blame of crime on the upper classes, justifying their actions with inequality.[/QUOTE]
Great; still has nothing to do with Marx so don't invoke him as a pejorative.
And you've misunderstood the quote completely. Criminality thrives in a society which creates an environment for its existence. Inequality is a condition which creates criminality, and there is no inequality without an upper class by definition. The words "every society has the criminals it deserves" is a reference to the quote "Every nation has the government it deserves," and it refers to the corruption of a justice system which exploits its criminals for labor.
[QUOTE=thisispain;47952356]Great; still has nothing to do with Marx so don't invoke him as a pejorative.
And you've misunderstood the quote completely. Criminality thrives in a society which creates an environment for its existence. Inequality is a condition which creates criminality, and there is no inequality without an upper class by definition. The words "every society has the criminals it deserves" is a reference to the quote "Every nation has the government it deserves," and it refers to the corruption of a justice system which exploits its criminals for labor.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I see where I misinterpreted his usage now, ya' got me.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;47952210]wrong
poor wording perhaps, but that's still the main point of the question[/QUOTE]
I think if you read it a certain way it reads as "passed out and unable to consent" rather than "one of the above[I] and [/I]unable to consent", which supports his point.
[QUOTE=t h e;47952891]I think if you read it a certain way it reads as "passed out and unable to consent" rather than "one of the above[I] and [/I]unable to consent", which supports his point.[/QUOTE]
i get the feeling that the first way of reading it would be a misinterpretation? idk, but the researchers stated that they tried to make the distinction very clear either way
[QUOTE=Scum;47950742]plenty of feminists talk about how rape culture is detrimental to men too helix u big silly shit
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cos it normalizes rape as a hyperbole. attaches it to trivial situations and takes away its true meaning. it also connects rape to losing. just do some research god damn[/QUOTE]
You literally sound like a girlfriend I've had. Thanks for that disgusting flashback, damn.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47950796]
You realize that nobody likes rapists right? That putting drugs in girls drinks is seen as evil and that taking advantage of a drunk person for sex is seen as rape?[/QUOTE]
Honestly, that's the biggest problem. Nobody likes rapists, but the average person defines a rapist as a guy who takes a (probably young and virginal) girl to a back alley. There are plenty of surveys that show that people would never find "raping" somebody okay, but reframe the situation a bit, and don't use the word "rape" and far too many people will say "yeah, that's okay". [url=http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/publications/observer/2014/december-14/blurred-concepts-of-consent.html]Far too many people don't understand consent[/url].
Hell, even look at this thread for a couple examples of rape culture:
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;47949263]"don't get drunk with strangers"
"ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME IF I GET RAPED IT'S MY FAULT???"
[/QUOTE]
Nobody needs to be told that getting drunk around strangers can be dangerous. How fucking infantalizing is it to suggest that women need to be told this?
And above all, why is it that the discussion of rape is always how women can defend themselves, and not how we, as a society, can fix the underlying issues?
Also WRT this video, (and this is admittedly ad-hominem as all hell), Lauren Southern is an employee of Rebel Media, who are basically Canada's super-Fox-News. Check out their coverage of Bill C-51:
[url]http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/publications/observer/2014/december-14/blurred-concepts-of-consent.html[/url]
This video is exactly the same shit. Picking and choosing the worst-spoken people in a crowd and saying that they represent the movement. Of course, because it is being done to a feminist-aligned group, FP is chill with it.
Oh FFS I just wanted to share the video with you guys, Haven't we gone through our "feminism thread" phase?
[QUOTE=matty928;47958355]Oh FFS I just wanted to share the video with you guys, Haven't we gone through out "feminism thread" phase?[/QUOTE]
Honestly I don't know what kind of thread you were expecting from a video of a right-wing news commentator going to a feminist-ish event to stir up shit
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/4cg4VyI.png[/img]
LMAO Lauren Southern supports the Redpill movement. You guys are playing into the hands of someone who is worse than anyone at the slutwalk
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;47958886]
LMAO Lauren Southern supports the Redpill movement. You guys are playing into the hands of someone who is worse than anyone at the slutwalk[/QUOTE]
Funny how terms originally used ironically become terms people actually identify with.
[QUOTE=MrHeadHopper;47948070]How come most modern feminists are either ugly or fat or both? I thought that was just a dumb stereotype. On the other hand the girl reporting on this is just beautiful.
This feminism and PC shit really needs to stop, it's killing free speech and I don't wanna know what the future will be like in 15-20 years when this feminist generation manages to have babies.[/QUOTE]
Problem about that is that they wont have babies considering they don't want to "pollute" the world with men.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47972184]Funny how terms originally used ironically become terms people actually identify with.[/QUOTE]
Funnier still is how a horribly misogynistic and transphobic group of people can name themselves after a reference to a movie written/directed by a transwoman, but this is getting off-topic
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47972629]Problem about that is that they wont have babies considering they don't want to "pollute" the world with men.[/QUOTE]
i shouldn't even have to point out that you're pulling this bs out of your ass
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