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Nobody needs to be told that getting drunk around strangers can be dangerous. How fucking infantalizing is it to suggest that women need to be told this?
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And how demonizing is it to tell men to not rape? Apparently this whole "Do not rape" campaign doesn't work anyway because rape is still happening? Why aren't there any "Do not murder" campaigns if these campaigns stop that problem?
[editline]16th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;47972695]Funnier still is how a horribly misogynistic and transphobic group of people can name themselves after a reference to a movie written/directed by a transwoman, but this is getting off-topic[/QUOTE]
And you got a problem with differentiating between an author and his work.
"OMG Book writer doesn't share the same political opinion as I do, i will boycott his work"
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47975159]And how demonizing is it to tell men to not rape? Apparently this whole "Do not rape" campaign doesn't work anyway because rape is still happening? Why aren't there any "Do not murder" campaigns if these campaigns stop that problem?[/quote]
Saying an anti-rape campaign doesn't work if it doesn't stop all rapes is like saying a marketing campaign didn't work because it only raised sales by 20% instead of making everyone buy nothing but your product. They're not supposed to be a one-time solution, they exist to educate people and increase awareness.
[quote]And you got a problem with differentiating between an author and his work.
"OMG Book writer doesn't share the same political opinion as I do, i will boycott his work"[/QUOTE]
He didn't say that at all though...?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;47975556]Saying an anti-rape campaign doesn't work if it doesn't stop all rapes is like saying a marketing campaign didn't work because it only raised sales by 20% instead of making everyone buy nothing but your product. They're not supposed to be a one-time solution, they exist to educate people and increase awareness.[/QUOTE]
Is there any hard data on how rapes have decreased since teaching men that they should not rape? Why is there no "Do not steal" or "Do not murder" campaign if they decrease crime?
[QUOTE]He didn't say that at all though...?[/QUOTE]
Yes he did, he assumes that because you don't share the same views as the author, you automaticly have to abolish everything from his works just like the red pill reference from The Matrix. Or maybe MGTOW isn't misogynistic at all? They are literally just going their own way, and somehow people have a problem with that. Do they disrupt any speeches by feminists? Do they pull fire alarms to break up meetings of feminists? If you don't like their way, just leave them alone, they are harmless. If all in their life were bad experience with women, and they don't wanna deal with that shit anymore, just leave them alone.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;47974650]i shouldn't even have to point out that you're pulling this bs out of your ass[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-aborted-baby-because-boy-5143227[/url]
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47975159]And how demonizing is it to tell men to not rape? Apparently this whole "Do not rape" campaign doesn't work anyway because rape is still happening? Why aren't there any "Do not murder" campaigns if these campaigns stop that problem?[/QUOTE]
Okay, first off, the fact that you're characterizing consent education programs as "teaching men not to rape" already says a lot about your position. In all of the years of sex education in public school I have never once been made to feel demonized as a guy. Consent is gender-neutral. Hell, many of these programs discuss how an erection is not sexual consent just as they discuss how e.g. being wet is not an indicator of sexual consent.
I never said that consent education will stop [i]all[/i] cases of rape, but the more people are aware of consent, the more thoughtful people will be with respect to this topic.
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And you got a problem with differentiating between an author and his work.
"OMG Book writer doesn't share the same political opinion as I do, i will boycott his work"[/QUOTE]
I'm all for Death of the Author, but there's a point when you just gotta sit back and giggle sometimes. And when it's Redpill types, I'll giggle as much as I want, thank you very much.
[editline]15th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=PelPix123;47975980]Rape as a crime is the result of a lot of delicate interplay between very subtle aspects of society. Boiling it down to a rape culture oversimplifies the problem to the point where it can't be solved anymore.[/QUOTE]
Only if you don't understand the academic concept of rape culture and just make a blanket judgement based on your preconceived notions of what it entails.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;47976033]A lot of these people aren't talking about the academic concept of rape culture. It's going the same way as the patriarchy--an originally academic word slowly being appropriated by an activist crowd that doesn't fully understand it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but if you judge the concept based on how dumb teenagers use it, then you're dumber than any of those teenagers will ever be.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47975943]Is there any hard data on how rapes have decreased since teaching men that they should not rape? Why is there no "Do not steal" or "Do not murder" campaign if they decrease crime?[/quote]
Anti-rape campaigns are more common because while it's pretty much ingrained into society that murder and stealing are bad, misconceptions about what exactly constitutes rape are rampant. Murder is murder - there's no confusion there. Stealing might be a bit less clear when it comes to, say, piracy.
Rape however, is an entirely different subject. There's a lot of blurred lines there, and notions such as "It's ok to get a girl drunk in order to have sex with her" or "Girls are obliged to give you sexual favors if you're nice enough" are still pretty common. That's the kind of mentality anti-rape campaigns are against.
[quote]Yes he did, he assumes that because you don't share the same views as the author, you automaticly have to abolish everything from his works just like the red pill reference from The Matrix.[/QUOTE]
He made an offhand comment about the irony of people calling themselves redpillers. You're the one bringing boycotting or abolishing ideologies into the conversation
[editline]16th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47975994][url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-aborted-baby-because-boy-5143227[/url][/QUOTE]
A story no one has verified about a woman with no last name that posted something in her blog. That's your evidence, really?
[QUOTE=PelPix123;47976046]I judge their usage, not the idea on the whole.[/QUOTE]
Then you're dumber than they'll ever be, as per my post.
Also here's your Lauren Southern update: [url=https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/39tyoe/i_am_lauren_southern_the_girl_who_held_up_the/cs6k3fl]She did an IAMA on Reddit to capitalize on the reaction to the video, then ragequit after being asked why she's a climate-change denier.[/url]
[QUOTE=PelPix123;47976092]Why am I dumb for criticizing a method of activism that won't decrease rapes based on a fundamental misunderstanding of an important academic concept?[/QUOTE]
For deliberately going out of your way to not understand something and then soldiering on anyway
[QUOTE=PelPix123;47976170]Dude, my main field is Sociology and I'm a sex abuse survivor. Don't just assume I'm being dumb or not getting it just because I'm questioning the efficacy of the demonstrations.[/QUOTE]
I apologize.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;47975980]Rape as a crime is the result of a lot of delicate interplay between very subtle aspects of society. Boiling it down to a rape culture oversimplifies the problem to the point where it can't be solved anymore.[/QUOTE]
Isn't "rape culture" just an aggregation of those subtle aspects though? Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like it's more of a defining term for prevalent ideologies rather than a simplification of them
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