If Nvidias engineer were to comment on the vram issue of the gtx 970..... - General

i still wouldn't mind having one :v:

This seems like such a bad time to buy a GPU but I really need one. Oh well.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47046018]Super nice zinger post there. Where did I say I was fine with them lying (whether it miscommunication or something else)? You mentioned performance, so I want to know what kind of performance you could reasonably expect from what Nvidia told you. The reality of the situation is that you can't know what kind of performance you could expect, because the amount information you've been given is completely arbitrary. A GPU might begin to stutter when playing BF4 at 4K and high settings, but you can't know whether that's necessarily down to VRAM, the number of ROPs or maybe an architectural decision that only Nvidia knows about. This is basically proven by the fact that people are going on about the 4GB, and not the number of ROPs or the size of the cache - things Nvidia were lying about too (and much more important when it comes to performance). Your expectations of performance are far from precise enough for you to argue the GTX 970 didn't perform as well as you expected it too - otherwise you should have expected something even closer to the 980, and obviously most people didn't. And were you actually implying that there's a way to improve the situation and Nvidia is holding it back? The fact of the matter is that the GTX 970 performed better than the competition, and it still does. If you want the best card for your money, get the best card for your money. By all means, try to get some of your money back, but getting an inferior card because of this is just stupid, unless you have a fairly specific use case (games that require more than 3.5GB of VRAM). Is it scummy that Nvidia lied about the specs? Of course. I've been running AMD for the last 5 years by the way.[/QUOTE] It doesn't perform as advertised if it's supposed to be 4GB but it really isn't. Due to a technicality it's 3.5GB, and it's a technicality that NVIDIA can fix by rolling out new drivers that just tell the GPU to consider the last 512MB segment as high priority. once again, it's not a question of whether or not the card is shit, it's the principle, and the principle is that NVIDIA lied their asses off and refuse to fix it. don't even tell me that it can't be fixed like that, because it can. how the hell do you think devs fix issues in games with MEMORY? They tell it to do something else with the space it has available to it. do you think it's okay to purchase a stick of RAM that's 4GB but when you plug it in you only get 3.5GB? that's what this is and it's wrong. The only catch here is, the card DOES have 4GB, but the last 512MB isn't used.

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[QUOTE=Aide;47045447]I can't wait for AMD new gpu series to arrive. It's gonna mop up the shit nvidia left.[/QUOTE] Now if only they'd also step up their game with CPUs/APUs because no way I'll give money to Intel and therefore to FemFreq. Looking forward to Summit Ridge.

[QUOTE=Aide;47045447]I can't wait for AMD new gpu series to arrive. It's gonna mop up the shit nvidia left.[/QUOTE] AMD still needs to employ better software engineers

[QUOTE=haloguy234;47046808]it's a technicality that NVIDIA can fix by rolling out new drivers that just tell the GPU to consider the last 512MB segment as high priority. [/QUOTE] ...nope, it's not a driver issue, it's due to the segmented memory architecture. They've used it before, too, and you probably didn't notice And if you meant treat the last 0.5GB as low priority, then that's exactly how the card already operates [QUOTE=haloguy234;47046808]The only catch here is, the card DOES have 4GB, but the last 512MB isn't used.[/QUOTE] The last 0.5GB is used, and though it's slower to access than the full 4GB, it's still faster than accessing the main system RAM Think of it as another layer of cache. Frequently accessed stuff (textures etc.) will prioritise like so: 3.5GB "good" VRAM -> 0.5GB "slower" VRAM -> main system memory -> HDD/SSD Once you hit the main system memory, you're a bit stuffed anyway. Still, the 0.5GB is still faster than accessing main system memory. The trouble is, some games just blitz all the available VRAM, thereby spilling over into the slower 0.5GB leading to slower performance all around. NVidia uses heuristics to combat this issue by putting frequently accessed stuff in that good 3.5GB. [editline]1st February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=haloguy234;47044126]There's no way it's an oversight, and there's no way that it "can't be fixed". It's an issue with how that last 512MB is being used, and that can be fixed with software.[/QUOTE] Just to reiterate, this issue cannot be fixed with software. The last 0.5GB will always be slower to access because of the memory architecture they have employed on the 970

My friend ended up getting an R290x because of this. He also needed a heater for his room so I'd say he got good value

[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;47046912]Now if only they'd also step up their game with CPUs/APUs because no way I'll give money to Intel and therefore to FemFreq. Looking forward to Summit Ridge.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I mean-- after this [I]and[/I] FremFreq? AMD's won me over. This whole thing has been way too much.

I don't even completely get the joke but that laugh fucking killed me

anyone have a link to the original video?

[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;47058841]anyone have a link to the original video?[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgzdb0txR_c[/url]

So I brought this to my Spanish speaking mother who said that he was at first talking about being called "The Cook" and getting called to the beach in a hurry with his hair messed up and only wearing shorts and sandals. Once he starts laughing it's about losing his bathing suit in the surf and then hiding behind two rocks while someone brought new shorts to him, but all his money was in the pair that was washed away. She could not understand what he was saying once he got hysterical.

This is just amazing.

I still haven't got over this video

[QUOTE=The Castro;47062923]So I brought this to my Spanish speaking mother who said that he was at first talking about being called "The Cook" and getting called to the beach in a hurry with his hair messed up and only wearing shorts and sandals. Once he starts laughing it's about losing his bathing suit in the surf and then hiding behind two rocks while someone brought new shorts to him, but all his money was in the pair that was washed away. She could not understand what he was saying once he got hysterical.[/QUOTE] Turns out this was very wrong, here's the video with English subtitles. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDiB4rtp1qw[/media]

[QUOTE=The Castro;47175657]Turns out this was very wrong, here's the video with English subtitles. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDiB4rtp1qw[/media][/QUOTE] As a fluent Spanish speaker, it was even difficult for me to understand what on earth he was saying.