• Steamworks Development - Dark Souls 3 with the Steam Controller
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i'm probably going to end up using the SC for this game and i have to say i don't really see any significant improvement over a normal controller besides being able to use the trackpad cause i can move the camera a lot quicker and more precisely than a joystick. also, i have a really bad experience with microUSB wires and disconnecting all the time from my controllers in a wired setup so wireless receivers all the way for me
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50116996]But then there are people who want the shape and layout of their X favorite pad. SC provides neither. It's not a DS3 or a DS4. It's not a 360 or xbone controller. It's just another controller that can emulate both 360 and mouse/keyboard inputs.[/QUOTE] Rear grips and other functions trump all that. Believe me, I grew up on the PS layout and I will always prefer that layout but the extra functions will always make it better. Think of it this way; imagine if for the PC, your options were a X360 or a PS2 controller. You prefer the PS2 controller, but it doesn't have the analogue triggers that so many games use today. The extra functionality of the X360 controller, for throttle in driving games for example, would trump the PS2 controller every time.
Its a fucking gamepad, its going to function on some basic level. Its literally just about preference at this point. The steam controller has some neat features but it has some flaws too, I wouldn't go so far as to say its the definitive controller for pc gamers like some people say but it aint a pile of shit, its just a pain in the ass to get used to and thats a problem that it's going to face, people arent going to want to buy [I]another[/I] controller to play with when you have one that functions properly, go for it if its your first but if you have controllers kickin around why bother? The features it adds are nice to have but can be done on other controllers albeit with shitty ass programs that sometimes dont work so there's that.
[QUOTE=Octopod;50117024]i'm probably going to end up using the SC for this game and i have to say i don't really see any significant improvement over a normal controller besides being able to use the trackpad cause i can move the camera a lot quicker and more precisely than a joystick.[/QUOTE] I prefer it, personally, out of taste. Best controller you can get for dark souls is the pro u or the x360. It's insanely sturdy, the triggers and bumpers feel right in the hands. I've tested it in PVP a whole lot. steam-pads not going to make the experience better, because of how well the game already works on it. for Dark souls it's different, but not better or worse.
I like the beeps that the controller makes when you turn it on/off though, that's neat. But the PS4 controller can have a purple light on it when I use DS4Windows so its a tie between the two on that aspect.
[QUOTE=Louis;50117031]Its a fucking gamepad, its going to function on some basic level. Its literally just about preference at this point. The steam controller has some neat features but it has some flaws too, I wouldn't go so far as to say its the definitive controller for pc gamers like some people say but it aint a pile of shit, its just a pain in the ass to get used to and thats a problem that it's going to face, people arent going to want to buy [I]another[/I] controller to play with when you have one that functions properly, go for it if its your first but if you have controllers kickin around why bother? The features it adds are nice to have but can be done on other controllers albeit with shitty ass programs that sometimes dont work so there's that.[/QUOTE] I really hope that steam adds support for other controllers. I REALLY WANT to use other controllers with the software they have. It'd be fucking great.
Hey the native KB&M controlls arent as bad in 3 as they were in others, there's no input delay for starters.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50117044]This wouldn't even be an argument/debate if Dark Souls had proper keyboard and mouse controls. Clearly everyone would be playing on the superior keyboard and mouse. [sp]who am I kidding in all 3 games they still can't get it right lmao[/sp][/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/aHnchmE.png[/t] Controllers can get fucked mate I want [URL="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1666150716/keymousetm-the-keyboard-and-mouse-re-invented/posts/1120586?lang=es"]10[/URL] the definitive dark souls experiance
[QUOTE=Louis;50117031]Its a fucking gamepad, its going to function on some basic level. Its literally just about preference at this point. The steam controller has some neat features but it has some flaws too, I wouldn't go so far as to say its the definitive controller for pc gamers like some people say but it aint a pile of shit, its just a pain in the ass to get used to and thats a problem that it's going to face, people arent going to want to buy [I]another[/I] controller to play with when you have one that functions properly, go for it if its your first but if you have controllers kickin around why bother? The features it adds are nice to have but can be done on other controllers albeit with shitty ass programs that sometimes dont work so there's that.[/QUOTE] Agreed. If you already have a controller that works fine and you primarily play at a desk, don't bother. If you really need a new controller, however, and you like screwing around with configs like a nerd like me or you just really wanna screw with a new toy, I'd say SC every time especially when compared against the current gen controllers. Otherwise x360 all the way. Don't even look at the xbone controller, it's too expensive for minimal return where the X360 pad is functionally identical. [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50117044]This wouldn't even be an argument/debate if Dark Souls had proper keyboard and mouse controls. Clearly everyone would be playing on the superior keyboard and mouse. [sp]who am I kidding in all 3 games they still can't get it right lmao[/sp][/QUOTE] I feel like 3rd person action games and platformers and such are just better on controllers. Just like how fighting games are usually just best on fight sticks, and how a HOTAS is best for flight games. I don't think any one control method is best for everything.
uploading a video of me playing with the steampad, just a tiny taste if it even uploads [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] also, you can rebind you controller (no matter what one) in ds3 now so that's a thing 90% of all games never do this so this is amazingly amazing
[QUOTE=J!NX;50117040]I really hope that steam adds support for other controllers. I REALLY WANT to use other controllers with the software they have. It'd be fucking great.[/QUOTE] I'm 80% certain the configs are sent and stored directly on the steam controller's own ram for various reasons (mostly input lag), thus you can't use them with anything else without hacky workarounds or hardware modifications.
[video=youtube;dlQp4Z3BolY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlQp4Z3BolY&feature=youtu.be[/video] doesn't really spoil anything and shows how it plays you can aim with the bow, unlike what other controllers can do
How are some of you so god damn ignorant when it comes to the steam controller? I don't get it. Is it intentional? "Dive into a menu to lock on" it's a customizable controller you don't have to do any such thing.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;50116960]Oh please, you're talking as if nobody's ever made controller rebinding programs before. And why would you even want to play an FPS game with a controller, anyways? M+KB has always and will always be the superior control layout for those.[/QUOTE] My triggers have "dampening" so that when they're soft pulled my sensitivity is much lower and much more accurate. I can effectively play any FPS with it because of this. Yes people who are fans of the steam controller are going to be in threads about it to defend it from people who've both never used it, and have no intention of using it nor seeing it's purpose. It's not a replacement for everything. It's an option. It's a great option, and it's the most versatile option there is, but it's still just an option.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50119976]How are some of you so god damn ignorant when it comes to the steam controller? I don't get it. Is it intentional? "Dive into a menu to lock on" it's a customizable controller you don't have to do any such thing.[/QUOTE] Fuck if I know, if I have a game that doesn't play nice with it I can just set the controller to emulate an Xbox 360 controller and at that point I literally have no problems. It's a comfy as shit controller that's actually pretty great if you give it more than an hour of your time.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50119421][video=youtube;dlQp4Z3BolY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlQp4Z3BolY&feature=youtu.be[/video] doesn't really spoil anything and shows how it plays you can aim with the bow, unlike what other controllers can do[/QUOTE] idk how much of that was the controller and how much of that was the player, but that was some -really- bad gameplay to prove a point like the whole thing just looked kinda sloppy, camera was janky as fuck and i can garuntee that ive had a smoother gameplay experience on my Dualshock 3 also im not sure what the whole argument about adapters was because both 360/one controllers work natively, and if you have a PS3 controller you can plug it right in and boot up motioninjoy and it emulates xinput flawlessly i dont really care about the steam controller tbh, just seems like everything it does i do with my dualshock for substantially less. off my time with it, the trackpads really arent as good as nice analog sticks in my eyes.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;50120024]Fuck if I know, if I have a game that doesn't play nice with it I can just set the controller to emulate an Xbox 360 controller and at that point I literally have no problems.[/QUOTE] Right? If a game doesn't like it's settings, you pick from a huge list of options, you can tweak it yourself, you can do whatever you want, and I know it'll work at the end of the day. It's a controller that works to play anything from Civ 5 to Rainbow 6 Siege. And it's a great controller if you learn how to use it and how to make it work for you, but that's on you as a user and if people want to call that stupid, power to them, they're just shortsighted IMO.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;50120027]idk how much of that was the controller and how much of that was the player, but that was some -really- bad gameplay to prove a point like the whole thing just looked kinda sloppy, camera was janky as fuck and i can garuntee that ive had a smoother gameplay experience on my Dualshock 3[/QUOTE] It's a new game for me so getting around is a bit weird, but I move generally very smoothly for someone that's not THAT good at souls. camera isn't janky AT ALL for me, but, that's for me. I use super high sensitivity trackball settings + a gyro by habit, so literally anyone watching me play will go "whoa what the fuck is this" because of how I instantly snap around. [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=No Party Hats;50120027] i dont really care about the steam controller tbh, just seems like everything it does i do with my dualshock for substantially less. off my time with it, the trackpads really arent as good as nice analog sticks in my eyes.[/QUOTE] without the need or want to use the customization software the steam controller is effectively a pointless purchase, but its very much worth it if you do need that stuff. The Trackpad combined with the gyro I've found to be as good as a mouse for aiming. I could at least record a bit of camera usage with joystick mode and then upload. Mouse is nice and smooth as hell. It's an insanely good controller if you want to mess around, but it's effectively the same thing only with a steep learning curve if you don't play other games. Of course, I like it because I can have weapons set to the bumpers / roll on a grip, it feels NICE that way. the biggest issue with it is that the learning curve is a straight cliff for anyone that isn't familiar with programmable devices. You pretty much improvise your way into understanding it, at least that's how I did it. Once you do learn everything about it however its VERY nice to use, and gives you a lot more freedom than a normal controller. You kind of have to like, learn to like it, you can't really be told to like it.
The controller is just so versatile. It's seriously an incredible device, but you do have to want to like it at some level. It's a device that for every game, you can make it do a different thing. My current set up with it for a game like MAD MAX, is Gyro steering and driving, and a simple button press turns my controller into a standard xbox controller layout for combat and such. I get a lot of versatility out of it for that. I use it Enter The Gungeon and it's every bit as good as my normal set of controllers(I have a ds4, xbone controller, and a xbox 360 wired, accumulated from over the years) and it's got enough key options like "Mouse Region" emulation meaning I have some pretty accurate track pads for aiming if I change the options up. By no means is it something you need, but if you like having the option to make your controls suit you better as I often do, then it's great. If you like playing games on a couch that do not belong on a couch(Sup Factorio, Civ5, Cities Skylines) it's great because you can make it work for those games. Yes you have to tweak it, but that's not an issue if you like doing that. And it's a very well constructed controller, the grips feel great and I use them all the time in games like Rocket League because now I get to leave my thumbs on my joysticks, fingers on the triggers, and grips for handbrake and boost. I have yet to find a game that doesn't work with it. It's all about preference and what you wanna do.
can you map the skill onto left grip? i never really used it much before but its really nice in ds3 and doesnt take much getting used to
[QUOTE=waylander;50120268]can you map the skill onto left grip? i never really used it much before but its really nice in ds3 and doesnt take much getting used to[/QUOTE] you can map anything to anything you can even invert the controls so the left and right trackpads are flipped and the attack buttons are on ABXY instead of the triggers I've thought about a one handed mode too. All necessary controls on one side
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50120197]And it's a very well constructed controller, the grips feel great and I use them all the time in games like Rocket League because now I get to leave my thumbs on my joysticks, fingers on the triggers, and grips for handbrake and boost. I have yet to find a game that doesn't work with it. It's all about preference and what you wanna do.[/QUOTE] Steam Controller for Rocket League was a game changer for me. I spent about a week tweaking and fiddling with a layout that I was comfortable for me after ~400 hours playing with a PS3 controller. The biggest difference for me was assigning boost to the trigger button. Having boost activate automatically when I do a full trigger pull adds so much finesse to my playstyle. The only downside is that I have to cart along my Steam Controller when I play RL at friends' houses :v:
jesus christ people are talking like the steam controller killed their family holy SHIT the Steam Controller is as good as you want it to be. That's literally the entire point of it: customization. It's not meant to be a replacement for neither a traditional gamepad or a KBM. It's simply another option. If you use the default bindings, sure you might not get a great experience. But there's a plethora of community templates you can easily download with the push of a button to try out, and from there branch out with your own customization. Want to bind the two back paddles to functions like sprint or reload? Go ahead. Want to make it so that when you pull the left trigger to aim, the gyro motion enables for you to make fine tune adjustments? Go ahead.
any controller I can play the sims 4 on is the only controller worth owning and yes, I have perfected a sims 4 binding
I don't understand the hate Steam Controller gets, a controller that can let you play Dota 2 without a multitude of problems and a fuckload of setup is a great controller in my book.
I can literally make multiple long range head/body shots in a row using the steam controller and still also be using a controller in a game try that with any other controller every time
While the trackpads do look kinda weird compared to a good ol analog stick, it looks like a cool concept and since a lot of people like it I guess it was rather sucessful I haven't really tried it (nor might since I dont know anyone from Chile who owns one) so I can't give a real opinion about it
[QUOTE=Conro101;50121039]any controller I can play the sims 4 on is the only controller worth owning and yes, I have perfected a sims 4 binding[/QUOTE] Share it????
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;50122584]Share it????[/QUOTE] It's on the community, but here's a screenshot of the binding screen to give you a taste of the kinda workarounds I had to do to get all the hotkeys [t]http://puu.sh/ogmgV/fc0bb997a8.jpg[/t]
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