25 Invisible Benefits of Gaming While Male - General

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That gaming cred point is wrong though. If you're bad at a game, people will shit talk you over anything. Race, religion, [B]gender[/B], age, country, city, and pretty much anything else.

ugh just a general non specific ugh

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;46623375]That gaming cred point is wrong though. If you're bad at a game, people will shit talk you over anything. Race, religion, [B]gender[/B], age, country, city, and pretty much anything else.[/QUOTE] And if you're going into competitive gaming you have to prove yourself. If people don't know you, they won't take gender for shit, you'll have to prove yourself competent.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;46623197]they're not telling you to feel sorry about being a dude. that's not what the concept of privilege is about. some people take it too far and think your opinion is worth less because of it, but hey, there's plenty of folk out there that think less of people just for being feminists. all that these people are trying to do is show in what ways your sex and gender can make certain issues invisible, and means that you've not been exposed to them. use your words, in what way is it wrong? without just calling it stupid? i disagree. i don't think these people alienate women more or less than any other group. i think, actually, that the fact that they're actively trying to campaign for them in a simple, non-destructive manner is a great way to try to connect with women in regards to these issues. what they're saying here isn't really anything combative at all. i mean you yourself right here acknowledge that there's a problem with the way that women are treated online and in gaming media. you're (i'm assuming here) not a woman, so how would you know whether or not they're exaggerating? these aren't really things that we have to worry about as dudes. i think you're misunderstanding what they're saying here. they're not making the assertion this will happen to every woman that walks into a game store. they're saying that it's substantially more likely to happen to them (which let's be real it totally is) academically this isn't really all that absurd of a notion, it just requires that you have an understanding that there's a fundamental difference between the academic and the common meaning of racism/sexism/whatever racism and sexism are fully defined academic concepts that do include components that relate to power in society. however that sort of stuff is generally best kept within academic circles because unless you read all of the background material for why power plays such an important role, you just sound fuckin crazy for saying shit like this. esp when you present it as fact instead of opinion[/QUOTE] The concept of privilege is actually racist/sexist in every sense and you need to stop believing it the way these fuckheads use it. Its putting someone else above someone else in every sense of the word, the anti-thesis of fucking equality. As long as it continues to be used, someone else is always going to be better than someone else, and using it as a tool to make others be quiet, or feel bad, or gain an edge, is absolutely horrid in any form of progress socially. What you are actually thinking of is the basic fucking concept of compassion, not privilege, no one is more "privileged" than you about anything, people are pretty much the same, some of us look different and think different, but one isnt above the other. Whenever privliege is used its to always paint one in a better light, and the other in a shit light. But thats ALL it does, it doesnt progress past that. Spouting this buzzword around has become nothing but a tool, its not progressing anything, its always used to out someone, or justify something else. Also, that gamestop shit, no its totally not, where is your info coming from? Are you serious? Men and Women can shop fine in fucking gamestores without having to worry about anything, like holy shit it has never been an issue. Do you not realize how many fucking women probably go to video game stores over men? All those moms, older sisters? Really dude how can you agree with that shit? Its like you painted this world in your head that isnt real but are like "Yeah this is how it is because ive heard about women getting harrassed a bunch online" Dude how many women have you even heard getting praise? I never see fucking ANY news on ANY female devs from ANY FUCKING company ever. I see plenty of male ones, never women, its very rare. But dont worry, a women twists her ankle, or gets called a cunt over twitter and the industry is in defcon 10. I could hit the wrong creep in dota and have my entire team call me a cunt, and thats happened a few times actually. I have been threatend to death, family to death, house burned down. Someone gonna beat me up, rob my house, shoot my dog, call me a faggot, etc... This shit can be daily depending on the game, its fucking little kids and teens with a few just invalid adults thrown in. So the game industry is making a big ass stir over a few select women, seriously lets think of the women harassed recently. Anita, not a dev Zoe Quinn, pretty much not a dev at all Brianna Wu, 1 shitty ios game, not really a dev Dina, not a dev Hamburger Helper from Bioware is the ONLY women I can think of that you could say was driven out, which was a shame because it was kids and teens doing it once again and select assholes getting all crazy over her just for the sake of it. So we have 4 women who are not devs or important really to the industry, and 1 who was legitimate. All this female hate drama shit is coming from fucking kids and teens spewing bullshit on twitter and in games, the same fucking shit thats been going on all around the internet. Why dont these journalists or "Game feminists" EVER focus on women IN the industry more? Why so much attention to these assholes who thrive off attention?(clickbait is why, controversy sells, like this controversial video in this thread) Instead of praising Bayonetta being designed by a women who made it into a triple A studio making a successful iconic character, SHE INSTEAD GETS CALLED A FUCK TOY FOR BOYS BY ANITA(lesbians dont exist) AND POLYGON KNOCKED POINTS OFF BECAUSE OF HER SEXUAL LOOK. Wow, id love to be a women, work my ass off, create a loved character and a loved women character that so many care for, only to see it get shitted on the same people that are so "Progressive" for women. Its always something negative when a women is involved for these people trying to put women in a positive light. I cannot believe you fall for this crap.

Just reading the transcript tells me that while some of the points they mention (5, 6, 16, I'll have to look later at the list and think more about the situations) I feel like a lot of this list doesn't entirely apply. A majority of these can be taken as people just being an asshole or fucking with people for laughs. It would do a much better service to them to not just point out these ideas and instead how it feels to be on the receiving end and what can be done to make it better.

[QUOTE=doctordarken;46622806]I wish I could just be oblivious to this whole "gamer culture" movement again, so I can go back to just enjoying video games without being forced to question the morality of it. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpsbj0OoeNo"]I just wanna play video games.[/URL][/QUOTE] okay. just play video games.

[QUOTE=meppers;46623152]can someone be nice enough to write down all 25 reasons so we don't give them views? the best way to make this crap go away is to ignore it[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]1. I can choose to remain completely oblivious or indifferent to the harassment many women face in gaming spaces. 2. I am never told the video games or the surrounding culture is not intended for me because I am male. 3. I can publicly post my username, GamerTag, or contact information online without having to fear being stalked or sexually harassed because of my gender. 4. I will never be asked to prove my gaming cred simply because of my gender. 5. If I enthusiastically express my fondness for video games, no one will automatically assume I'm faking my interest just to get attention from other gamers. 6. I can look at practically any gaming website, show or magazine and see the voices of people who have my own gender widely represented. 7. When I go to a gaming event or convention I can be relatively certain that I won't be harassed, groped, propositioned, or cat called by total strangers. 8. I will never be asked or expected to speak for all other gamers who share my gender. 9. I can be sure that my gaming performance, good or bad, won't be attributed to, or reflect on, my gender as a whole. 10. My gaming ability will never be called into question based on unrelated natural biological functions. 11. I can be relatively sure my thoughts about video games won't be dismissed or attacked based solely on my tone of voice even if I speak in an aggressive, obnoxious, crude or flippant manner. 12. I can openly say that my favorite games are casual, odd, non-violent, artistic, or cute without fear that my opinions will reinforce the stereotype that men are not real gamers. 13. When purchasing most major video games in a store, chances are I will not be asked or assumed to be buying it for a wife, daughter, or girlfriend. 14. The vast majority of games studios, past and present, have been led and populated primarily by people of my own gender, and as such most of their products have been specifically catered to my demographic. 15. I can walk into any gaming store and see images in my gender widely represented as powerful heroes, dastardly villains, and non-playable characters alike. 16. I will almost always have the option to play a character of my gender, as most protagonists as heroes will be male by default. 17. I do not have to carefully navigate my engagement with online communities or gaming spaces in order to avoid or mitigate the possibility of being harassed because of my gender. 18. I probably never think about hiding my real life gender online through my gamername, my avatar choice or by muting voice chat out of fear of harassment resulting by my being male. 19. When I enter an online game, I can be relatively sure I won't be attacked or harassed if and when my gender is made public. 20. If I am trash talked or verbally berated while playing online it will not be because I'm male, nor will my gender be involved as an insult. 21. While playing online with people I don't know, I won't be interrogated about the size and shape of my real life body parts, nor will I be pressured to sharte intimate details about my sex life for the pleasure of other players. 22. Complete strangers generally do not send me unsolicited images of their genitalia or demand to see me naked on the basis of being a male gamer. 23. In multiplayer games, I can be pretty sure the conversations between other players will not focus on speculation about my attractiveness or sexual availability in real life. 24. If I choose to point out sexism in gaming, my observations will not be seen as self-serving and will therefore be perceived as more credible and worthy of respect than those of my female counterparts, even if they are saying the exact same thing. 25. Because it was created by a straight white man, this checklist will likely be taken more seriously than if it had been written by virtually any female gamer.[/QUOTE] There may be typos, I transcribed straight into Notepad.

Saw Feministfrequency on the titlecard Immediately stopped the video. Jesus christ dude, put up some trigger warnings next time.

[QUOTE=xfreak341xx;46623232]Gender and skin color has nothing, I repeat, NOTHING to do with how you are perceived/treated by any person with normal sensibilities and aren't bat shit crazy[/QUOTE] jesus christ come out from under the rock [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Tetsmega;46623375]That gaming cred point is wrong though. If you're bad at a game, people will shit talk you over anything. Race, religion, [B]gender[/B], age, country, city, and pretty much anything else.[/QUOTE] when's the last time someone insulted you for being a dude after doing bad in a game [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46623480]Saw Feministfrequency on the titlecard Immediately stopped the video. Jesus christ dude, put up some trigger warnings next time.[/QUOTE] Woooooooooaoaooah

a lot of you guys are just as ignorant as the "feminist" people

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;46623078]Why is it the responsibility of women to "ignore" sexist jerks instead of the rest of society telling those jerks they should fuck off and reform their views? This stupid defeatist attitude is why this problem exists in the first place.[/QUOTE] It isn't that is why you learn to ignore them, do your job, and move on. If I have played the "ageism" card when I was 18 working with IT pro's double my age I probably wouldn't have as far as I have.

[QUOTE=.Lain;46623485]jesus christ come out from under the rock [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] when's the last time someone insulted you for being a dude after doing bad in a game [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] Woooooooooaoaooah[/QUOTE] Anyone will insult anyone and also use their gender for doing bad in a videogame. You have to be confused to think otherwise. Being a male player doesn't give you "ULTRA EXEMPT" card where we all high five each other and surround women players to berate them. Every individual is volatile and when doing poorly / being affected poorly by their own team, will lash out and use the characteristics of the other person to degrade them.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;46623537]Anyone will insult anyone and also use their gender for doing bad in a videogame. You have to be confused to think otherwise. Being a male player doesn't give you "ULTRA EXEMPT" card where we all high five each other and surround women players to berate them. Every individual is volatile and when doing poorly / being affected poorly by their own team, will lash out and use the characteristics of the other person to degrade them.[/QUOTE] or you could be a decent fucking human being and be polite instead of raging at them [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] not just to women, to everyone

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46623405] So the game industry is making a big ass stir over a few select women, seriously lets think of the women harassed recently. Anita, not a dev Zoe Quinn, pretty much not a dev at all Brianna Wu, 1 shitty ios game, not really a dev Dina, not a dev Hamburger Helper from Bioware is the ONLY women I can think of that you could say was driven out, which was a shame because it was kids and teens doing it once again and select assholes getting all crazy over her just for the sake of it. [/QUOTE] okay i'm not really going to target your other points in your 3-4 posts here because i've seen them a thousand times, but i really gotta single this one out zoe quinn aside because the allegations haven't been proven to be true or false yet, are you seriously brushing aside harassment because the women aren't REAL devs (whatever the fuck that means), or aren't REAL big figureheads in the game industry? also that belittling comment towards hepler, isn't that [I]exactly[/I] what's happening now with the other women you brushed aside? freaky teenagers and young adults sending shit towards somebody because they tweeted X or developed Y or are a popular Z meme? why is she different from the rest, also why are you using that terrible nickname while simultaneously trying to be sympathetic towards her?

A lot of these reasons seemed to a bit duplicated. there was maybe 10 legitimate reasons in that video, the rest were either simply false or duplicates.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;46623537]Anyone will insult anyone and also use their gender for doing bad in a videogame. You have to be confused to think otherwise. Being a male player doesn't give you "ULTRA EXEMPT" card where we all high five each other and surround women players to berate them. Every individual is volatile and when doing poorly / being affected poorly by their own team, will lash out and use the characteristics of the other person to degrade them.[/QUOTE] that's not an excuse for being a dickhead. we give people yellow cards and red cards in real sports and basically every level for acting up, why not a virtual equivalent? you'll still be allowed to call your friends whatever you want in private, tho.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;46623537]Anyone will insult anyone and also use their gender for doing bad in a videogame. You have to be confused to think otherwise. Being a male player doesn't give you "ULTRA EXEMPT" card where we all high five each other and surround women players to berate them. Every individual is volatile and when doing poorly / being affected poorly by their own team, will lash out and use the characteristics of the other person to degrade them.[/QUOTE] i love how people can so blindly ignore an actual problem [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] the point is that men relatively practically never get insulted based on their gender in that situation. yet women do far more often given the same circumstances i never said women should be exempt from any and all criticism or insult; i said that women shouldn't be so often insulted for a particular reason that men are rarely insulted for

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;46623399]And if you're going into competitive gaming you have to prove yourself. If people don't know you, they won't take gender for shit, you'll have to prove yourself competent.[/QUOTE] It's weird too that the identity of the female gamer was molded by mostly western persons. I think a lot of it was influenced by female streamers and let's players, a demographic consisting largely of average to unskilled players. And because there are so little who make it to sponsored competitive scenes, it stuck to that image of the female as an unskilled player. Males never get shit about being male because the attacker is usually male. Why would anyone talk shit about their own characteristic? The reason why shit talking female gamers is unique to gender is because verbal attacks rely on isolated individual characteristics.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46623405] Hamburger Helper from Bioware is the ONLY women I can think of that you could say was driven out, which was a shame because it was kids and teens doing it once again and select assholes getting all crazy over her just for the sake of it.[/QUOTE] It is not even that, because Hepler still works at Bioware and she has worked on the script of Dragon Age: Inquisition, it was just not as lead writer anymore.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46623557]okay i'm not really going to target your other points in your 3-4 posts here because i've seen them a thousand times, but i really gotta single this one out zoe quinn aside because the allegations haven't been proven to be true or false yet, are you seriously brushing aside harassment because the women aren't REAL devs (whatever the fuck that means), or aren't REAL big figureheads in the game industry? also that belittling comment towards hepler, isn't that [I]exactly[/I] what's happening now with the other women you brushed aside? freaky teenagers and young adults sending shit towards somebody because they tweeted X or developed Y or are a popular Z meme? why is she different from the rest, also why are you using that terrible nickname while simultaneously trying to be sympathetic towards her?[/QUOTE] Thanks for putting words in my mouth and making my mind up for me. You are really good at that.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46623630]Thanks for putting words in my mouth and making my mind up for me. You are really good at that.[/QUOTE] then what was your purpose of bringing up their developer "status" other than to dismiss harassment? does their contribution to the industry excuse any of that at all, or what?

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46623639]then what was your purpose of bringing up their developer "status" other than to dismiss harassment? does their contribution to the industry excuse any of that at all, or what?[/QUOTE] It is because of how relevant to the industry they actually are. Which they are not. But somehow, they still claim to speak for every woman working in the gaming industry. That is like the dev of Bad Rats claiming that his opinion speaks for all men in the industry.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;46623116]Ok go take your apathetic defeatism elsewhere? Some people are actually interested in discussing solutions to this problem you know?[/QUOTE] it's not defeatism, Anita's methods do not contribute to solving the problem, in fact they make it worse. Because she pretends the problem is so much bigger than it is, more women are actually driven away from the industry because they're afraid of the "extreme misogony" that simply does not exist. To quote morgan freeman, what should we do to solve racism? Stop talking about it. The same goes for sexism. point it out on a case to case basis if you see it but your kind of "social justice" only does more damage. The\ reason anita does it is because it fuels her victim complex and gets more patreon donors.

[QUOTE=mikeyt493;46622829]This video is pretty on point and everyone here getting all offended and annoyed over it are literally the problem the video talks about dismantling at the end lol[/QUOTE] Maybe it's because people are tired of being blamed for the benefits of being the majority, which is a really poor way to address the negative issues minorities deal with. It's literally a way of saying "Ha ha it's your fault for being you" instead of "treat these other people with respect you would wish to have."

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;46622963]Why would you apply for a field that you feel that you'll be constantly harassed in? [/QUOTE] Personally, I've never understood why there's this notion that working as a female developer in a AAA studio or publisher position means you're going to be harassed without question. The games industry is an industry with industry standards. We're very persistent about stopping any and all harassment in the workplace same as anywhere else. Assholes on the internet and not the industry itself, [I]the point of this video[/I] is entirely different. So responding to your question, if creating games is someone's passion they shouldn't give up on their dreams because of threats on Twitter.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46623639]then what was your purpose of bringing up their developer "status" other than to dismiss harassment? does their contribution to the industry excuse any of that at all, or what?[/QUOTE] I said those are the most recent and really only focused ones, my point is to say that harrassment isnt this super widespread issue its made out to be, its just going off the same sources all the time for the most part. Where is this plague of harassment involving women in the video game industry? It doesnt seem as widespread as these people make it seem. Especially women devs, if its so bad then why dont you hear about it at most company? Instead of it usually being just some indie women with a small game? Where are these actual employers keeping women out of the industry? Zoe and Brianna are not employers really, they arent these companies or teams. And honestly dude, Brianna Wu hasnt contributed shit, her game is nothing, its like saying some random newgrounds shit tier flash game is a contributor. Zoe Quinn made something extremely simple that got some attention, sure its great women in the industry but she hasnt done much at all. Her contributions can be important, but shes nothing really in the industry. Like where is this horrible widespread industry women harassment going on? Like holy fuck, how do you someone manage to think im like "Yeah there harassment is fine just because :) "

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46623639]then what was your purpose of bringing up their developer "status" other than to dismiss harassment? does their contribution to the industry excuse any of that at all, or what?[/QUOTE] If someone is making the claim that their experiences in the gaming industry are representative of a larger problem, it is not unrealistic to call into question the depth and contribution they have in the industry itself; i.e. it is questionable to identify as a certain group if your contributions as a member of that group are not significant, within reason. I've built a bridge with popsicle sticks. It doesn't make me an engineer, and I can't say bad things have happened to me because I'm an engineer. For that matter, there are a lot more than ~5 women in the gaming industry, and for every case of "harassment", there are many more cases of "non"-harassment.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;46623197] academically this isn't really all that absurd of a notion, it just requires that you have an understanding that there's a fundamental difference between the academic and the common meaning of racism/sexism/whatever racism and sexism are fully defined academic concepts that do include components that relate to power in society. however that sort of stuff is generally best kept within academic circles because unless you read all of the background material for why power plays such an important role, you just sound fuckin crazy for saying shit like this. esp when you present it as fact instead of opinion[/QUOTE] Are you completely unaware of what your saying here? Your saying that the "academic meaning" has no bearing on reality. This is why there are feminists critical of new feminist academia. The fact that it's "not that absurd a notion in the academic meaning" means that the academic meaning is broken. You don't get to be immune from criticism for being batshit insane just because your "academic" when your academic establishment has kicked out the moderates like sommers.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;46623314]see the thing is here - and you've just said it - is that she stalked you because you killed her too often. i'm in no way minimizing stalking because i've been stalked in real life by one woman and one man - both were fucking awful. but this lady apparently followed you around because you killed her, not because you were a dude. that is fundamentally different from what they're talking about. it doesn't make it any worse or better - just different. that's really the critical element to a lot of these things - they comment on it a couple of times throughout the video, it's the specific intent behind what's being said and done to gamers at different levels.[/quote] True, stalking is awful no matter what. But you're only see this as one issue, which is also my fault since i only wrote about that particular incident. I've been called nerd, basement dweller and other snide comments when i have bought a game or anything related when exiting gamestop. I have also been groped a few times when i've been out drinking. By both women and men and everytime it happened, it made me uncomfortable. But i'm not perfect, i have also made rude comments and gestures to people simply because i didn't like them. [quote] ive never been harassed online, but if i would be, it would unlikely be due to my sex. how many times have i gone into a CSS server and heard a female sounding voice pop up and suddenly everyone's on the voice chat going OH HEY HEYYYY and chat becomes uncomfortably focused on one individual? too many times.[/quote] I can only speak for myself about this. I've come across players both men and women who are friendly and who enjoys a good-hearted "dick-waving contest" (can't find a better word for it.) which makes the matches enjoyable more often than not. Which usually ends up with stereotypical jokes that both parties laugh at. [quote] and what if that voice was a dude? well they'd dump on the kid for having a girly voice, which is another thing that feminists are critical of. the producers of this video made a folly in not touching upon those subjects.[/quote] This is also true. But again, i've seen this happen very often in multiplayer games but most of the times it ends up with toxic players getting votekicked out of the match or banned. [quote] i think the biggest issue with a lot of these videos is that they only appear to tackle feminism as a one sided issue. instead of focusing on the use of the word fag and bitch and wimp and wuss and all this other shit that's designed specifically to target manhood, they focus only on womens issues. thats not what feminism is about. and for people like me who have a holistic understanding of feminism, its not a problem because i already know all that shit and i know the benefits feminism offers men. but they don't make it clear enough in these vids[/QUOTE] That is the issue i have with the video in the OP and the fact that they have blocked comments and ratings. Sure i can create a website or a video discussing that issue, but they aren't helping the issue by blocking comments on their video. And i hate the fact that legitimate comments about the issues feministfrequency shines lights on or on GamerGate is being twisted like it's harassment on women.