Metroid Prime: Federation Force - Final Boss(es) (Spoilers obviously) - General

[QUOTE=TheJoey;50929192]how about a fucking metroid game instead[/QUOTE] How reactionary, I don't disagree, but that's not what happened now is it, I'm just suggesting ways in which this game could have been made better. I'm sure most people would have been fine with the game if it had stuck with some of the Metroid staples, maintained the original art style AND had a good story to back it up, even if it was about the Federation Marines instead of Samus, instead of this utter mess that we got, all I'm saying is ODST was a game about a group of marines, a spin-off and it worked, it treated the source matieral with respect and we learnt a lot more about the world through the eyes of people who are normally just the rank and file, so to speak, Nintendo fucked up massively with how they created Federation Force. The idea itself is interesting, Federation Force doesn't capitalize on it at all and appears to screw up at every turn, but if it was handled differently, such as the art style being similar to Metroid Prime instead of the Chibi style, the gameplay being more Metroid than just plain shooter, but with a few twists given you are JUST a normal soldier and not Samus Aran, the kickass bounty hunter! and the characters actually made interesting and given actual personalities, this could have been a vastly superior game that people might have even enjoyed.

[QUOTE=jonu67;50929221]How reactionary, I don't disagree, but that's not what happened now is it, I'm just suggesting ways in which this game could have been made better.[/QUOTE] to not have been made at all. it was a bad judgement call from its zygote planning stages. the idea itself is not interesting, it's actually quite the opposite. it's uninspired. it's boring. boil it all down to its mere concept of "take something, strip it down to its simplest form and remove everything about it that made it interesting, and make an entirely different type of game out of it" and that's what we have. it's a metroid game that isn't a metroid game. it's fucking co-op. what the fuck? metroid, a series about being the only living human being on an exploration/science trip to an alien planet, is now co-op, stripping even its atmosphere. give me a fucking break. "how reactionary" please spare me the fucking high horse judgement.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;50929270]to not have been made at all. it was a bad judgement call from its zygote planning stages. the idea itself is not interesting, it's actually quite the opposite. it's uninspired. it's boring. boil it all down to its mere concept of "take something, strip it down to its simplest form and remove everything about it that made it interesting, and make an entirely different type of game out of it" and that's what we have. it's a metroid game that isn't a metroid game. it's fucking co-op. what the fuck? metroid, a series about being the only living human being on an exploration/science trip to an alien planet, is now co-op, stripping even its atmosphere. give me a fucking break. "how reactionary" please spare me the fucking high horse judgement.[/QUOTE] actually sorry a metroid coop game based around being federation marine sounds sweet im sorry you no longer can find fun in simple concepts anymore :weeb:

If this game really is setting up for another Prime-esque Metroid game (possibly and hopefully made by Retro Studios), then fucking finally thank you Nintendo. Let's just hope Sakamoto doesn't go off the deep end again with some sort of shitty plot that revolves around Samus feeling powerless and constantly talking about how powerless she feels and constantly recapping events that only happened 5 minutes prior.

The thing is that Federation Force isn't terrible from what I've been seeing. It's a fairly serviceable co-op shooter with light puzzle elements (and a large number of balls you have to shoot to get them to activation points, what is this dev team's obsession with balls are they secretly space pirates) that is, all things considered, inoffensive as an overall product. It's just that after Other M shat on the series as a whole as a game directed by one of the founders of the franchise, 'reviving' Metroid through a spinoff game that at best loosely plays like the Prime games but mostly just wants you to shoot things is the reason why the fans are pissed. Maybe too much so, but things like Samus' Blast Ball final boss form don't really help the case.

[QUOTE=Rahu X;50929624]If this game really is setting up for another Prime-esque Metroid game (possibly and hopefully made by Retro Studios), then fucking finally thank you Nintendo. Let's just hope Sakamoto doesn't go off the deep end again with some sort of shitty plot that revolves around Samus feeling powerless and constantly talking about how powerless she feels and constantly recapping events that only happened 5 minutes prior.[/QUOTE] Last time I checked, I believe Sakamoto wasn't even involved with the Prime games.

[QUOTE=Azelf89;50929643]Last time I checked, I believe Sakamoto wasn't even involved with the Prime games.[/QUOTE] He wasn't. He didn't outright try to de-canonize them like most claim, but he disassociated his own work from that of the Prime series.

[QUOTE=Azelf89;50929643]Last time I checked, I believe Sakamoto wasn't even involved with the Prime games.[/QUOTE] [del]He did have some very limited involvement with Metroid Prime 3, but not nearly to the same degree that he did with Other M.[/del] Nevermind, some misinformation made me believe that. Still, there's no reason that he couldn't be involved with future prime-esque games. He is one of the original creators of the series, after all. We can just only hope that Other M showed him how to NOT do a Metroid game if he does decide to get involved.

So this is Sakamotos Revenge for the majority of ppl who disliked Other M? It's like he's saying: "see, it could have been much much more worse" Could have been a Metroid game where you are not allowed to play as badass bounty hunter Samus Aran. Could have been graphics that make your eyes bleed and embrace yourself when playing in public. Could have been linear mission based instead of Metroidvania. Could have even more destroyed the fan idea of Samus Aran beeing a tough hero. Could have been on a handheld instead of a home console. Now it is more worse. Thanks Mr. Sakamoto for teaching me to love Other M despite it's flaws.

[QUOTE=WNxKraid;50947983]So this is Sakamotos Revenge for the majority of ppl who disliked Other M? It's like he's saying: "see, it could have been much much more worse" Could have been a Metroid game where you are not allowed to play as badass bounty hunter Samus Aran. Could have been graphics that make your eyes bleed and embrace yourself when playing in public. Could have been linear mission based instead of Metroidvania. Could have even more destroyed the fan idea of Samus Aran beeing a tough hero. Could have been on a handheld instead of a home console. Now it is more worse. Thanks Mr. Sakamoto for teaching me to love Other M despite it's flaws.[/QUOTE] I haven't looked into other m, but from what I understand that game was horrible in about every aspect, federation farce on the other hand is very fun and plays well (from what I've seen), and was made by competent devs. And don't get me wrong, I know nintendo doesn't give a shit about metroid and pisses all over it, but I think the dev team for this game doesn't deserve all the shit they are getting because they made a very competent game, just that it should have been released after a proper metroid game.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;50928491]I fucking love this thread because it's obvious that very few people here have actually put their hands on the game. It plays -really- well and it certainly feels like a (more action oriented) prime game. If you get off of your high horses for a few seconds and pull off those nostaliga goggles, you can actually see the makings of a good game here. but of course, it's gonna get buried under waves of 'BUT OTHER M WAS BAD'. RIP Fed Force, you almost had a chance[/QUOTE] ok enough shitting the reason people are angry at this is because of what it's doing to the series. Nobody in this thread has so far mentioned anything about the game being bad or awful, having bad gameplay, etc. The issue is that after 9 years the only thing we see Metroid involved in (Other M didn't happen) Is a prime-inspired spin-off with some weirdly story-shitting content in it. It's about it's impact to the series and to the fans that's pissing everyone off rather than the game itself. I guarantee the game would not get remotely as much hate if it was exactly the same, just under a different IP.

[QUOTE=Dr.Scrake;50948040]I haven't looked into other m, but from what I understand that game was horrible in about every aspect, federation farce on the other hand is very fun and plays well (from what I've seen), and was made by competent devs. And don't get me wrong, I know nintendo doesn't give a shit about metroid and pisses all over it, but I think the dev team for this game doesn't deserve all the shit they are getting because they made a very competent game, just that it should have been released after a proper metroid game.[/QUOTE] Sadly, just a few control adjustments could've made Other M's gameplay at least tolerable. You have to aim the wiimote at the screen to fire missiles in first-person while being unable to move, which is dumb as it is, but it's a 3D action game with auto-lock shooting - and you have to control it with a sideways Wiimote and a D-Pad. If they'd given players more control options or even just a Nunchuck, they could've easily made the competent combat feel like the best part of the game, but Sakamoto apparently thought it should 'control similarly to older games'. Beyond that it's an action adventure game that barely even plays like or resembles Metroid at its core, and even genuine upgrades got neutered into the plot-controlled authorization system that means Samus' main power-ups and weapons activate when the plot mandates it. Which means running halfway through a heat-damage inducing lava area without the Varia Suit to counteract it until Samus' ex-commander Adam tells her to. Or [sp]activating Power Bombs with no notification right before Samus throws herself into a Metroid Queen's stomach, meaning you have to drop a Power Bomb to reference Metroid 2's final boss or die repeatedly until you figure it out because the checkpoint was right at before that.[/sp] The story's awful garbage that makes Samus boring and out of character for most of it, one other character is only good by principle of not being a retard that fucks things up, [sp]Adam's death happens entirely for drama's sake purely on a theoretical 'metroids may or may not be immune to ice' suicide ploy AFTER he shot samus in the back to prevent risking her WHILE SHE WAS FIGHTING AN ICE-VULNERABLE METROID[/sp] and numerous other problems. For one good example without going into too much detail, the Ridley scene is practically an entire thread's worth of people debating back and forth all on its own, with most generally agreeing that it was awful - and the game's build-up to Ridley basically demeans the character overall [sp]because this 'super-intelligent space dragon' evolves from a fucking one-legged fuzzy chicken with a death glare.[/sp] That's how bad the plot was.

[QUOTE=RikohZX;50949639]Sadly, just a few control adjustments could've made Other M's gameplay at least tolerable. You have to aim the wiimote at the screen to fire missiles in first-person while being unable to move, which is dumb as it is, but it's a 3D action game with auto-lock shooting - and you have to control it with a sideways Wiimote and a D-Pad. If they'd given players more control options or even just a Nunchuck, they could've easily made the competent combat feel like the best part of the game, but Sakamoto apparently thought it should 'control similarly to older games'. Beyond that it's an action adventure game that barely even plays like or resembles Metroid at its core, and even genuine upgrades got neutered into the plot-controlled authorization system that means Samus' main power-ups and weapons activate when the plot mandates it. Which means running halfway through a heat-damage inducing lava area without the Varia Suit to counteract it until Samus' ex-commander Adam tells her to. Or [sp]activating Power Bombs with no notification right before Samus throws herself into a Metroid Queen's stomach, meaning you have to drop a Power Bomb to reference Metroid 2's final boss or die repeatedly until you figure it out because the checkpoint was right at before that.[/sp] The story's awful garbage that makes Samus boring and out of character for most of it, one other character is only good by principle of not being a retard that fucks things up, [sp]Adam's death happens entirely for drama's sake purely on a theoretical 'metroids may or may not be immune to ice' suicide ploy AFTER he shot samus in the back to prevent risking her WHILE SHE WAS FIGHTING AN ICE-VULNERABLE METROID[/sp] and numerous other problems. For one good example without going into too much detail, the Ridley scene is practically an entire thread's worth of people debating back and forth all on its own, with most generally agreeing that it was awful - and the game's build-up to Ridley basically demeans the character overall [sp]because this 'super-intelligent space dragon' evolves from a fucking one-legged fuzzy chicken with a death glare.[/sp] That's how bad the plot was.[/QUOTE] [sp] As samus has seen Ridley's life cycle, it's very, very obvious that the ridley she was fighting wasn't the one responsible for her parent's death and previous fights.. so for her to have such as PTSD attack when facing Ridley ( noting she's never experienced an issue with ridley apart from some wide eyes in MZM ) is absolutely ridiculous [/sp]. Also bullshit that Other M's baseline story is basically identical to Metroid fusion, thus negating any sort of tension or surprise in Fusion really.

[QUOTE=WNxKraid;50947983] Thanks Mr. Sakamoto for teaching me to love Other M despite it's flaws.[/QUOTE] I'll take a decent spinoff made by other devs over a fucking awful game made by Sakamoto any day.

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;50951628][sp] As samus has seen Ridley's life cycle, it's very, very obvious that the ridley she was fighting wasn't the one responsible for her parent's death and previous fights.. so for her to have such as PTSD attack when facing Ridley ( noting she's never experienced an issue with ridley apart from some wide eyes in MZM ) is absolutely ridiculous [/sp]. Also bullshit that Other M's baseline story is basically identical to Metroid fusion, thus negating any sort of tension or surprise in Fusion really.[/QUOTE] The whole PTSD thing is made even more retarded when in the OFFICIAL METROID MANGA Samus goes through basically the EXACT same thing after she re-encounters Ridley for the first time after all her chozo training and such is complete. And you know what she does then? She gets her shit together and kicks his ass BY HERSELF without the help of some big strong man that needs to save her. She then goes off to fight him again in ZM, and for a 3rd time in Super. And if Sakamoto would've counted the Prime games as canon, she fights him AGAIN on Talon IV. I don't think he knows what a good story is.

[QUOTE=villa;50954920]The whole PTSD thing is made even more retarded when in the OFFICIAL METROID MANGA Samus goes through basically the EXACT same thing after she re-encounters Ridley for the first time after all her chozo training and such is complete. And you know what she does then? She gets her shit together and kicks his ass BY HERSELF without the help of some big strong man that needs to save her. She then goes off to fight him again in ZM, and for a 3rd time in Super. And if Sakamoto would've counted the Prime games as canon, she fights him AGAIN on Talon IV. I don't think he knows what a good story is.[/QUOTE] Actually, three times in the Prime series. Talon IV in Prime 1, and in Prime 3, Meta Ridley on Norion and Omega Ridley on the Pirate Homeworld. She's kinda got the killing Ridley thing down.

[QUOTE=OpethRockr55;50955665]Actually, three times in the Prime series. Talon IV in Prime 1, and in Prime 3, Meta Ridley on Norion and Omega Ridley on the Pirate Homeworld. She's kinda got the killing Ridley thing down.[/QUOTE] I never had a Wii so I could never play Prime 3 :(

[QUOTE=villa;50954920]The whole PTSD thing is made even more retarded when in the OFFICIAL METROID MANGA Samus goes through basically the EXACT same thing after she re-encounters Ridley for the first time after all her chozo training and such is complete. And you know what she does then? She gets her shit together and kicks his ass BY HERSELF without the help of some big strong man that needs to save her. She then goes off to fight him again in ZM, and for a 3rd time in Super. And if Sakamoto would've counted the Prime games as canon, she fights him AGAIN on Talon IV. I don't think he knows what a good story is.[/QUOTE] She also fights a Parasite X clone of Ridley in Fusion. I keep bringing up Fusion in this thread. Probably because it was the first Metroid game I actually played. I never had a Gamecube or Wii so I couldn't play the Prime games and I only borrowed Zero Mission for a few hours from a friend so I never even finished that either.

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;50956441]She also fights a Parasite X clone for Ridley in Fusion. I keep bringing up Fusion in this thread. Probably because it was the first Metroid game I actually played. I never had a Gamecube or Wii so I couldn't play the Prime games and I only borrowed Zero Mission for a few hours from a friend so I never even finished that either.[/QUOTE] Yea but Fusion takes place last in the story line, so it would be after Other M, which is why I didn't mention it. Though now that you bring up Fusion, it's kind of funny/sad how Other M's abysmal story even tarnishes the story in Fusion, since your ship's AI is Adam. Any dialogue with him in that game now just kind of feels....wrong.

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;50956441]She also fights a Parasite X clone for Ridley in Fusion. I keep bringing up Fusion in this thread. Probably because it was the first Metroid game I actually played. I never had a Gamecube or Wii so I couldn't play the Prime games and I only borrowed Zero Mission for a few hours from a friend so I never even finished that either.[/QUOTE] Well it doesn't help that Other M basically rips off Fusion's base design and even certain other elements altogether, alongside practically foreshadowing it.

[QUOTE=villa;50956412]I never had a Wii so I could never play Prime 3 :([/QUOTE] wait if you never had a wii how do you know so much about Other M?

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;50957358]wait if you never had a wii how do you know so much about Other M?[/QUOTE] I did plenty of research on the game when it came out. I wanted to know if I should go ahead and buy a Wii to get both the Metroid games on it or not. There have been countless youtube videos I've watched that have dissected the plot point for point, and I've even read a very lengthy article about the plot and the game. I first heard some not so great things about the game, so I decided to look into it. What I found was a rabbit hole of information that went deeper and deeper. Starting from "this game sucks, no exploration and a terrible plot" going all the way down to "Sakamoto is incredibly sexist and thinks of women as nothing but damsels in distress who like being abused by big strong men" I mean, I've no idea whether or not that's even true, but from what I've read/watched about the plot in Other M, it certainly seems like Sakamoto does have a bit of a warped view of how women should be portrayed in media. I know all about the infamous hell run sequence, the bullshit PTSD bit with Ridley and how Samus needed some big strong military man to come in and bail her out before she got her shit together, and how Adam shot her in the back while she was mid fight with a Metroid to "save her." I may have not played the game myself, but I know more than enough to know that I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. I am considering buying a used Wii so I can play through Prime 3 for myself though. It's about $50 for a used one, and about $30 for the game itself. Adding up to $70 which is only $10 more than your standard triple a game. I played a bit of it and a friends house back in the day and I wasn't too keen on how often you had to do motion controls to do things, like whipping the nunchuck for the grappe beam and constantly twisting and turning the wii remote for those power cylinder things. But at this point I'm so starved for new Metroid that I'm willing to swallow my pride and give it another honest shot. If I can come up with the money.

[QUOTE=villa;50961671]I did plenty of research on the game when it came out. I wanted to know if I should go ahead and buy a Wii to get both the Metroid games on it or not. There have been countless youtube videos I've watched that have dissected the plot point for point, and I've even read a very lengthy article about the plot and the game. I first heard some not so great things about the game, so I decided to look into it. What I found was a rabbit hole of information that went deeper and deeper. Starting from "this game sucks, no exploration and a terrible plot" going all the way down to "Sakamoto is incredibly sexist and thinks of women as nothing but damsels in distress who like being abused by big strong men" I mean, I've no idea whether or not that's even true, but from what I've read/watched about the plot in Other M, it certainly seems like Sakamoto does have a bit of a warped view of how women should be portrayed in media. I know all about the infamous hell run sequence, the bullshit PTSD bit with Ridley and how Samus needed some big strong military man to come in and bail her out before she got her shit together, and how Adam shot her in the back while she was mid fight with a Metroid to "save her." I may have not played the game myself, but I know more than enough to know that I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. I am considering buying a used Wii so I can play through Prime 3 for myself though. It's about $50 for a used one, and about $30 for the game itself. Adding up to $70 which is only $10 more than your standard triple a game. I played a bit of it and a friends house back in the day and I wasn't too keen on how often you had to do motion controls to do things, like whipping the nunchuck for the grappe beam and constantly twisting and turning the wii remote for those power cylinder things. But at this point I'm so starved for new Metroid that I'm willing to swallow my pride and give it another honest shot. If I can come up with the money.[/QUOTE] get a WiiU so you can play both Wii games and WiiU games.

[QUOTE=villa;50961671]I mean, I've no idea whether or not that's even true, but from what I've read/watched about the plot in Other M, it certainly seems like Sakamoto does have a bit of a warped view of how women should be portrayed in media.[/QUOTE] Other M was, first and foremost, designed with Japanese audiences in mind despite the fact that the franchise has always had more star power in America. Infact from what I hear, the whole Metroidvania genre design by itself was never as popular over there as it is here, and Metroid itself suffered from that. Things like Samus' obsession with not upsetting Adam and her general characterization stem from a lot of cultural ideas that the west just flatout don't agree with - like the fact that [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_piety]walking out on the military is considered an inexcusable amount of disrespect to one's CO at the time[/url], which is why Adam gives her so much shit and Samus takes it while feeling bad about it, not to mention why she takes all of his orders so absolutely. I'd say it's less 'sexist' and more 'applying different cultural standards to a character that's conceptually opposed to them'. Even if those same standards hold women at a lower level than men, which naturally feels illogical to western audiences nowadays. Although that doesn't really do anything to fix the shit writing, just explain it.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;50962431]get a WiiU so you can play both Wii games and WiiU games.[/QUOTE] I might as well just wait for the NX to roll around at this point. From what I've read it'll have backwards compatibility with the WiiU, though I've no idea about the Wii. I'm only interested in the Wii for the one game anyways, where there are a few WiiU games I'd like to play but can't justify the price of a single console for just a handful of games. I'm hoping that with the library of WiiU games that I missed plus a decent amount of 1st party NX games I'll have an easier time justifying that purchase. Though I will give it some time to let some big games come out. If a new Metroid Prime comes out for the NX that goes back to its 1st person exploration roots, and doesn't suck, I'll be getting one right the fuck away. Or if a decent 2d Metroid comes out for it, but they could easily make a great 2d Metroid for the 3DS if there were ever so inclined.

[QUOTE=villa;50966089]I might as well just wait for the NX to roll around at this point. From what I've read it'll have backwards compatibility with the WiiU, though I've no idea about the Wii. I'm only interested in the Wii for the one game anyways, where there are a few WiiU games I'd like to play but can't justify the price of a single console for just a handful of games. I'm hoping that with the library of WiiU games that I missed plus a decent amount of 1st party NX games I'll have an easier time justifying that purchase. Though I will give it some time to let some big games come out. If a new Metroid Prime comes out for the NX that goes back to its 1st person exploration roots, and doesn't suck, I'll be getting one right the fuck away. Or if a decent 2d Metroid comes out for it, but they could easily make a great 2d Metroid for the 3DS if there were ever so inclined.[/QUOTE] Ah if the NX can play WiiU games then it can play Wii games (and also gamecube games since the Wii has a built in emulator and when you put a Wii disc in the WiiU it just boots up a Wii emu)