[QUOTE=Ownederd;41208084]because if someone identifies as a male in a game, no one will care. identifying as a female is more than likely a different story: it's loaded[/QUOTE]
So you want people to care about you being a female? I don't understand.
If you are a chick and you happen to play games, just play them. Your gender is irrelevant when playing games. Like I said, a gamer is a gamer. And if someone starts making a big deal out the fact that you are a woman playing video games, tell them to fuck off.
But then when you'll start making a big deal out of the fact that you are a girl playing video games and that you are such a special snowflake, other people will tell you to fuck off and call you a gurl gamer.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41208318]they are [B]seen[/B] as more of a minority even though they make up pretty much half of people who play games[/QUOTE]
Ye I don't think so. Where are you getting this from? From what I've seen around 70% of players are male. Unless we're talking farmville and angry birds.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41208318]Pretty much no one actually does this seriously outside of the strawman created by male gamers[/QUOTE]
Gamer gurls are actually pretty rare. I've met around 3 in CS (and I've seen a lot of normal female players) over many years of playing.
Next thing you're gonna be saying is that there are no girls on youtube who use their cleavage as main source of views.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41208318]It might have to do because the aforementioned dumb stereotype turned the assertation of your gender into a reactionary label. It's a bit of a loaded comparison but it's a little bit how some women try to reclaim the word "slut"[/QUOTE]
But gender doesn't matter when playing games. It's completely irrelevant. Even you would say that. People get pissed off only when you try to make it matter. Well, apart from the socially retarded teen boys who'll spew shit like "is your laptop in the kitchen?" when they notice that there's a girl playing.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41203991]
replace gamer with goth and see what a fucking silly goose you are
[/QUOTE]
When you're behind a monitor or sitting in front of a screen playing vidya gaymes, it doesn't matter what gender you are. Goths are a subculture that have a tangible presence in the real world, gender matters in the real world.
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really cool to have opinions on something that literally has no effect on you what so ever[/quote]
what do you expect from a white cis scum male with an easy life? I need something to have opinions about, the less it has to do with me the better :v:
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;41174597]This is arguably worse tbh.[/QUOTE]
Let's make them breed and see what happens, we might achieve an entirely new breed of idiot!
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41208453]So you want people to care about you being a female? I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
he's saying that a girl playing video games and not staying mute is something inherently worthy of attention from other non-mute gamers, who inexplicably care about that crap. so if you're a girl playing video games your only option is to basically shut up completely, even if there's other guys talking and you have relevant stuff to say, or risk getting harassed because some misogynist asshat has labelled you a "gurl gamer." so the existence of the term itself gives basement-dwelling retards a weapon to use in getting women to be quiet.
[QUOTE=Cone;41208673]he's saying that a girl playing video games and not staying mute is something inherently worthy of attention from other non-mute gamers, who inexplicably care about that crap. so if you're a girl playing video games your only option is to basically shut up completely, even if there's other guys talking and you have relevant stuff to say, or risk getting harassed because some misogynist asshat has labelled you a "gurl gamer." so the existence of the term itself gives basement-dwelling retards a weapon to use in getting women to be quiet.[/QUOTE]
The term involves gender because only women can do it. You can't use being a guy as source of attention.
And about sexist morons, yeah there's a lot of them. There's a mute button for it. The best way to fight this idiocity is to act like girls playing video games is nothing special and certainly not a reason to get worked up over. Like it's a normal thing. Because it is.
[QUOTE=slayer20;41169058]I hate it when people say stuff like, "Yeah I'm a gamer, I used to play [insert incredibly popular game here] all the time!"
Common games are Doom, Legend of Zelda, Metal Gear Solid, Metroid, Perfect Dark, etc.[/QUOTE]
Who cares. A gamer plays (and enjoys) games. If you play and enjoy Angry Birds, bam, you're a gamer. But the whole "girl gamer" thing is annoying. What do they want? A medal for doing something I've been doing since I was 5? You don't see "guy gamers". Oh, and "gaymers" are also annoying too. We get it, you are gay and play games. I don't care about your sexuality.
See I find this really annoying "dont bring it up no body cares".
I shouldnt have to hide my gender though, I design and play male characters in the majority of games because suddenly when your a girl playing a girl character your flaunting it. Or if your playing a game that requires voice chat teamwork you talk, people complain about kids playing games, and you point out your female not a kid? Gurl gamer stop flaunting it you probably dont even like these games no one cares.
Gamers are assumed to always be male, there is no reason I shouldnt be able to show that yes I am the opposite gender without having to get harrassed for it.
I'm a girl.
I game.
Have a problem? It'll make victory that much sweeter.
:)
this 'gural gamurs' thing has always been a chicken and egg situation where most people are certain the egg came first. i don't think it's that simple
the reason a very small minority of 'girl gamers' feel the need to let dumb nerds know that they're a girl playing a game is because they're playing with dumb nerds who either:
a. hate the fact that there's a girl playing their game
b. get a massive hard on the moment they know there's a girl playing the game and give them attention
which then creates the other camp of male 'gamers' which have the popular sentiment now of hating all those "attention whoring girl gamer bitches who are flaunting their boobs online to get attention"
if online video games weren't so full of dumb neckbeard spergs in the first place we'd never have the issue. if people were treated as people there'd be no way for anyone to use their gender or sexuality as a ploy for attention
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41208119]so that makes me a masturbator
do you know why?
i masturbate
don't label yourself as something you do in your spare time, especially if it isn't entirely flattering.[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with labeling yourself as a gamer?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41207942]They are not stupid because they are female gamers. They are stupid because they are attention whores ingame, the "look I'm a girl and I'm playing games, I'm so special" kind, and we call that a "gurl gamer". "gurl gamer" is a term made for specific type of person.
And there are no "boy gamers" because nobody goes "look I'm a boy and I'm playing games, how special is that"[/QUOTE]
sil i figured you would have gotten some BASIC points about this into your head by now
1. of course boys don't want attention, it is assumed all gamers are men so there is obviously nothing special about that. there are however groups for gay gamers, chinese gamers, whatever, you name. they are a minority, they are unique, thus they band together and take pride in being unique as a defense against being harassed etc.
2. i would LOOOOOOVE to meet one of these "attention whores." in all likelyhood there are a dozen or two people in ALL of the world who act like this (all of them have youtube channels) and that's it. I personally have never met ANYONE who has tried making a point of saying they are a girl outside of guys pretending to be girls and doing it ironically as a "joke" (hahahahahahahahaha)
think about it
I guess you haven't played that many mmos then vedi.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41208704]The term involves gender because only women can do it. You can't use being a guy as source of attention.
And about sexist morons, yeah there's a lot of them. There's a mute button for it. The best way to fight this idiocity is to act like girls playing video games is nothing special and certainly not a reason to get worked up over. Like it's a normal thing. Because it is.[/QUOTE]
You can't use a guy as a source of attention because most gamers you encounter online are MEN.
You also can't just do a hand-wave and say that they should just mute them and deal with it, it's an actual issue that communities as a whole need to work together to solve. Something's fucking wrong if women basically have to hide their genders online because of sexist/immature shitheads.
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as many have said before, if somebody finds out that you're a chick it's either 1) omggg!!! show me ur boobs!! lol!!! SEXIST JOKES XDDD or 2) ugh you just HAD to reveal your gender. nobody cares that you're a girl SHUT UP D:<
Holy shit, I never though I would see shokio again after the BBC ban and everything.
[QUOTE=Rhenae;41209683]
Gamers are assumed to always be male, there is no reason I shouldnt be able to show that yes I am the opposite gender without having to get harrassed for it.[/QUOTE]
There isn't really reason to do that in the first place.
Also term gamer is dumb and I probably have said it already.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;41215664]There isn't really reason to do that in the first place.
Also term gamer is dumb and I probably have said it already.[/QUOTE]
It's not like people do that. You just have to use your microphone and everything goes downhill from there.
oh god the dramatic music in the background
[video=youtube;sHjHADUAU8I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHjHADUAU8I[/video]
Go Shock you can do it
He is gonna end up just like BlackBusterCritic if he goes down that path (his bro.)
[QUOTE=SmashJonXD;41216976][video=youtube;sHjHADUAU8I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHjHADUAU8I[/video]
Go Shock you can do it[/QUOTE]
god he is fucking insufferable
U BETTER BE GLAD U ARENT DEBATING MY BRO. U SURE U WANT TO DO THIS????
this "debate" is just gonna turn into him constantly interrupting her/silencing her and being a dick to her to prove his "point" and be "funny"
Who cares if you consider yourself a gamer?
If you like something and feel like it's an important part of your identity, let it define you for all I care.
People who write fanfiction on a regular basis consider themselves "writers," even if they're essentially writing unoriginal content. It's not my right to tell them what their identity is/isn't. If I play video games every day, and feel like it's important in my life, I think I have the right to call myself a gamer.
If you want to call yourself a gamer, you're not saying "video games are my life." It's just one part of the many characteristics that compose your identity. Many absolutely normal people consider themselves gamers; coworkers, classmates, even major actors and directors like Stephen Spielberg and Robin Williams. Furthermore, there's no shame in having video games as a significant hobby in your life. Many people feel the same way about comics, graphic novels, electronic music, indie filmmaking, cinema, etc. The problem is when video games become an addiction, and a gamer starts relying on video games in order to function.
It's so asinine to get upset about this shit. Let people identify with how they see themselves. It's an uphill battle telling someone that they're stupid for labeling themselves as a gamer, since they're probably pretty secure about their identity in the first place if they're going to public admit that video games are significant in their life.
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Also if you're willing to actually DO something with your gaming hobby, you can make serious inroads towards burgeoning careers. Computer science and 3D animation are just two fields that see a lot of student gamers. Humanities academics gobble new media up like crazy; with the right Professors, you can practically earn internships by simply taking humanities courses and applying them into the classroom.
In my case, I made an iBook about video games as literature, and I got a job offer at my University's art museum to help with their eBook publications :v:.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41220363]for the same reason people who play football in highschool or in their leisure time don't call themselves footballers
its a dumb term that shouldn't define yourself
yes technically you are a gamer, as you play games
but it is dumb as shit to call yourself that because you (hopefully) do something bigger than that as a hobby/job
its a shitty title that people should stop parading around[/QUOTE]
Sounds like whining over nothing to me.
[QUOTE=Rhenae;41209683]See I find this really annoying "dont bring it up no body cares".
I shouldnt have to hide my gender though, I design and play male characters in the majority of games because suddenly when your a girl playing a girl character your flaunting it. Or if your playing a game that requires voice chat teamwork you talk, people complain about kids playing games, and you point out your female not a kid? Gurl gamer stop flaunting it you probably dont even like these games no one cares.[/QUOTE]
There's flaunting and getting called "gurl gamer" and there's not hiding the fact that you're a female and getting shit for it because of sexist idiots.
[QUOTE=Rhenae;41209683]Gamers are assumed to always be male, there is no reason I shouldnt be able to show that yes I am the opposite gender without having to get harrassed for it.[/QUOTE]
I agree completely. But those are mostly just teenage boys being idiots. And popular video games are full of them. They are annoying on many levels, not only because they are sexist.
I have a female gamer friend, she never makes a big deal out of it and when someone starts harassing her, she just says "I just want to play the game okay? Go bother someone else" or something along those lines.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41215261]sil i figured you would have gotten some BASIC points about this into your head by now
1. of course boys don't want attention, it is assumed all gamers are men so there is obviously nothing special about that. there are however groups for gay gamers, chinese gamers, whatever, you name. they are a minority, they are unique, thus they band together and take pride in being unique as a defense against being harassed etc.
2. i would LOOOOOOVE to meet one of these "attention whores." in all likelyhood there are a dozen or two people in ALL of the world who act like this (all of them have youtube channels) and that's it. I personally have never met ANYONE who has tried making a point of saying they are a girl outside of guys pretending to be girls and doing it ironically as a "joke" (hahahahahahahahaha)
think about it[/QUOTE]
I don't understand what's your point. People were getting pissed off that there are no "boy gamers" or whatever so I just explained why. Why would you try to make a counter argument to that?
And like I said. I've met 3 of those girls over many years of playing cs. And I've seen lots of girls playing video games and not being weird about it. "gurl gamers" are actually pretty rare.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41215440]You can't use a guy as a source of attention because most gamers you encounter online are MEN. [/QUOTE]
Yes, thank you for paraphrasing what I said.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41215440]You also can't just do a hand-wave and say that they should just mute them and deal with it, it's an actual issue that communities as a whole need to work together to solve. Something's fucking wrong if women basically have to hide their genders online because of sexist/immature shitheads.
[/QUOTE]
I never said that it's not a problem. Like I said, everyone should act like girls playing video games is a normal thing. Because it is. But the best way of dealing with bullies is not responding to them. Mute button helps doing that.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41215440]
as many have said before, if somebody finds out that you're a chick it's either 1) omggg!!! show me ur boobs!! lol!!! SEXIST JOKES XDDD or 2) ugh you just HAD to reveal your gender. nobody cares that you're a girl SHUT UP D:<[/QUOTE]
Right. Lets forget that there are people who play video games and are not immature teenagers and actually don't care about your gender and won't be weird about it.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41220363]for the same reason people who play football in highschool or in their leisure time don't call themselves footballers
its a dumb term that shouldn't define yourself
yes technically you are a gamer, as you play games
but it is dumb as shit to call yourself that because you (hopefully) do something bigger than that as a hobby/job
its a shitty title that people should stop parading around[/QUOTE]
People who play Football don't call themselves Footballers because they are referred to as athletes or jocks and based off those titles I can assume that they are into sports and are active making those titles perfectly valid for assuming something about a person.
It's just a means to identify someone. That's like saying being called a doctor is dumb and it's just labeling yourself and instead you should say you are someone who performs medicine.
[QUOTE=OutLawed Blade;41227351]People who play Football don't call themselves Footballers because they are referred to as athletes or jocks[/QUOTE]
but they're not?
[editline]28th June 2013[/editline]
i dunno what america is like but in this country if you play football at the weekend in the park or even in a semi-professional league you are not referred to as a "jock" unless by some weirdo who already labels himself as a "gamer"
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regardless, it's still dumb to label yourself a "gamer" because there's literally millions of people who play video games on a regular basis. why would you apply a label to yourself that almost every single person you know shares with you? isn't it as popular as cinema these days? it makes more money that's for sure. and people who go to the cinema don't call themselves "filmers" or some other gay shit
Ignorance at its finest. Why are "gamer girls" an issue?
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;41227492]but they're not?
[editline]28th June 2013[/editline]
i dunno what america is like but in this country if you play football at the weekend in the park or even in a semi-professional league you are not referred to as a "jock" unless by some weirdo who already labels himself as a "gamer"
[editline]28th June 2013[/editline]
regardless, it's still dumb to label yourself a "gamer" because there's literally millions of people who play video games on a regular basis. why would you apply a label to yourself that almost every single person you know shares with you? isn't it as popular as cinema these days? it makes more money that's for sure. and people who go to the cinema don't call themselves "filmers" or some other gay shit[/QUOTE]
Are you really saying that the word gamer cant refer to someone who really enjoys games and that only weirdos associate themselves with the term? What about artists or musicians? Do they only associate themselves with those terms because they are weird and creepy?
And as for your movie example, what about movie aficionados? Weird too I assume?
[QUOTE=OutLawed Blade;41227816]Are you really saying that the word gamer cant refer to someone who really enjoys games and that only weirdos associate themselves with the term? What about artists or musicians? Do they only associate themselves with those terms because they are weird and creepy?[/QUOTE]
you're not getting this at all
an artist or musician who produces art for a living and describes himself as an "artist" is normal, as is someone who plays football for a living
someone who plays video games as a hobby in their spare time and describes himself as a "gamer" is weird
[quote]And as for your movie example, what about movie aficionados? Weird too I assume?[/quote]
yeh if i met someone and they said "hey i'm dave. i'm a movie aficionado" i'd think "wow what a weirdo", just the same as i'd think if i saw someone on facebook or in person or whatever talking about themselves with the descriptor of "gamer"
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my name is chestymcgee and i am a student (because that is my occupation) and i guess i'm also a freelance illustrator. that is how i'd describe myself. i also sometimes play video games and watch films and enjoy beer but i'm not a "gamer" or "filmer" or a "beererrer"
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;41227933]you're not getting this at all
an artist or musician who produces art for a living and describes himself as an "artist" is normal, as is someone who plays football for a living
someone who plays video games as a hobby in their spare time and describes himself as a "gamer" is weird
yeh if i met someone and they said "hey i'm dave. i'm a movie aficionado" i'd think "wow what a weirdo", just the same as i'd think if i saw someone on facebook or in person or whatever talking about themselves with the descriptor of "gamer"
[editline]28th June 2013[/editline]
my name is chestymcgee and i am a student (because that is my occupation) and i guess i'm also a freelance illustrator. that is how i'd describe myself. i also sometimes play video games and watch films and enjoy beer but i'm not a "gamer" or "filmer" or a "beererrer"[/QUOTE]
You really think it's THAT weird? That's really petty. And you can only call yourself an artist or musician if you do it for a living? Are you serious?
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;41227492]
regardless, it's still dumb to label yourself a "gamer" because there's literally millions of people who play video games on a regular basis. why would you apply a label to yourself that almost every single person you know shares with you? isn't it as popular as cinema these days? it makes more money that's for sure. and people who go to the cinema don't call themselves "filmers" or some other gay shit[/QUOTE]
There's a major difference between doing something and considering it a hobby.
As OutLawed Blade said, movie buffs watch movies much more often than the standard moviegoer, and they often study cinema as well. Movies become an important part of their life, and they start investing a lot of energy - and money - into studying film.
Most movie buffs also look to formulate some sort of career out of their work, or otherwise begin to produce out of their hobbies. Hideo Kojima, for instance, used his obsession with cinema in order to create the Metal Gear series. But many other film fans simply go into camera work, indie directing, etc.
Video gaming has the same connotation. Gamers don't just focus on casually playing games; they usually invest a lot of time into gaming, have fine-tuned favorites, acquire a certain sort of taste/critical focus, etc. A lot of gamers also try to take their interests and apply them somewhere else. Virtually every successful mod team (and disastrously unsuccessful as well) start out as huge gaming fans that want to start creating games out of their ideas.
In both cases, today's casual players don't do that. They might have a small collection of favorites, but they really don't invest a lot of time or energy into playing. When push comes to shove, they have more pressing hobbies to attend to. The same way that, for most of us, film-going isn't a major interest in our lives - just something we do now and then.
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[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;41227933]yeh if i met someone and they said "hey i'm dave. i'm a movie aficionado" i'd think "wow what a weirdo", just the same as i'd think if i saw someone on facebook or in person or whatever talking about themselves with the descriptor of "gamer"[/QUOTE]
You can still be a self-identified gamer/"movie aficionado" and not be a stick in the mud. In fact, movie buffs are usually really fun people to hang out with. In both cases, it's the people who don't have their lives together that are best to be avoided.
Speaking of which, there was a really good documentary about filmgoing addicts. I forget the name, but it's about three New Yorkers - all heavily medicated - who go to films non-stop every day. They barely spend any time outside of theaters. It's interesting, but in a gross and scary sort of way.
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