[QUOTE=TestECull;52752917]I wish it was hyperbolic, but it isnt. Worst offender is WalMart by far, I've had the chip readers there take up to 2 minutes on a bad day.[/QUOTE]
We can literally just slap it on the machine for like half a second and it reads the nfc, holy shit america.
[QUOTE=Socram;52753794]It is strange to me how smug some of you are coming across about a payment method and its rate of adoption. The US is a huge country in terms of size and population compared to most individual European countries, these things don't become ubiquitous overnight. Regardless, I can't remember the last time I went to pay and they didn't have a chip reader.[/QUOTE]
This.
America is huge. Like, way huger than the UK. Factor of 40 times bigger. What many Brits consider to be a very long journey in a car is a short, routine drive for people in America. Whenever you guys wonder why a new technology or whatever hasn't caught on as standard in America yet, it's because it's several hundreds of times more expensive to do it for America than your island.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52753898]This.
America is huge. Like, way huger than the UK. Factor of 40 times bigger. What many Brits consider to be a very long journey in a car is a short, routine drive for people in America. Whenever you guys wonder why a new technology or whatever hasn't caught on as standard in America yet, it's because it's several hundreds of times more expensive to do it for America than your island.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. While I'm hard pressed to find a countertop/POS in a shop that doesn't at least have a non-functional chip reader sitting there with a cardboard sign stuck in it, I've [i]never[/i] seen a fuel pump with a chip. And the funny thing is fuel pumps are the most likely places for your mag strip to get skimmed. If anything, they should be first, second, third on the chip-and-pin upgrade list, yet they'll probably never fully be updated.
Some stations in my area are using >40 year old pumps that don't even have digital readouts.....
[QUOTE=TestECull;52752314]And I hate them. I can swipe-and-type five or six times in the time it takes to read that damn chip. Give me the choice I'll swipe every time. And then half the time it quizzes me for my PIN and zip and sig anyway.
They need to speed the chip read process up.[/QUOTE]
The only places that ever read chips instantly for me is mcdonalds. Any other place can take from ten seconds to almost a damn minute for me.
[QUOTE=Crimor;52753872]We can literally just slap it on the machine for like half a second and it reads the nfc, holy shit america.[/QUOTE]
The gas station by my house does this thing where they put your card in a plastic bag (not sure why that helps) and vigorously swipe 2-3 times before it takes.
I don't use cards there..
[QUOTE=Socram;52753794]It is strange to me how smug some of you are coming across about a payment method and its rate of adoption. The US is a huge country in terms of size and population compared to most individual European countries, these things don't become ubiquitous overnight. Regardless, I can't remember the last time I went to pay and they didn't have a chip reader.[/QUOTE]
No one expects such a large country to adopt something new overnight, but it's been over a decade since it was standard in the UK. It's just strange to Europeans because most of us on this forum have probably never had to swipe a card in our lives, I've had a debit card for about 10 years and I think I've swiped it once.
[QUOTE=Crimor;52753872]We can literally just slap it on the machine for like half a second and it reads the nfc, holy shit america.[/QUOTE]
we don't even have NFC cards lmao
[QUOTE=TestECull;52752314]And I hate them. I can swipe-and-type five or six times in the time it takes to read that damn chip. Give me the choice I'll swipe every time. And then half the time it quizzes me for my PIN and zip and sig anyway.
They need to speed the chip read process up.[/QUOTE]
I went somewhere today where the chip was immediate and then at some places it takes like 10 seconds
A few years ago I went to a hole in the wall thrift store that was one of the first stores I regularly go to that had upgraded to the chip. I was all excited to use my new chip card in their machine. I inserted it and waited....
and then I heard it.
Dial tone.
And dialing.
And modem noises.
[b]They dialed up the bank to run my debit card with a chip.[/b]
Back on the original topic, the scratching in the movie was done by Kid Koala
[video=youtube;Ia5oK4PCCoM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia5oK4PCCoM[/video]
He's a pretty amazing turntablist :v:
[editline]7th October 2017[/editline]
The story behind why they used that card machine is actually pretty great
[quote]"Edgar sent over a table read of some dialogue, and asked me to listen to a bunch of them and find parts that I could work in—stuff that was funny," says San. "Baby is supposed to be this amateur lo-fi bedroom DJ, making tracks all the time for his own amusement. So I used pawn shop finds and flea market finds—nothing too high-tech. Edgar really wanted to keep it home studio-style. So I went digging for whatever could give it that tone."
The trick was to make Baby’s recordings sound good without making them sound professional. "I tried it on turntables first, mashing all the dialogue bits into it—but it ended up sounding a little too accomplished," San explains. "Like someone who had been spinning for decades—which I have been, but Baby has just started. So I tried it on this magnetic card reader, which was originally made for an elementary school language class. There’s no smooth, elegant, frictionless way to scratch that thing. So when I started trying that it really came out funnier. It made me giggle."[/quote]
[QUOTE=MedicWine;52752718]The majority of card readers I see also have a little cardboard insert to let you know the chip-reader section is down for some reason.[/QUOTE]
Our company does this. Most places have the hardware but in our case its a matter of updating our office systems to support it. When youve got thousands of locations across the country getting techs out to do that instead of the hundreds of legit service calls is tough
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52753898]What many Brits consider to be a very long journey in a car is a short, routine drive for people in America. [/QUOTE]
just for a example, this is how my usual two class college day goes. one way.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/kKfzwD9.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/x25HD0j.png[/img]
so when people say that "a small population country has this thing, why can't america do thing?" people dont seem to realize how huge america is land wise and how diverse cultures are in the country. San Fran can adapt cool new fiber ultra-gigabit tech in a few weeks/months while rural south barely has a 5mb/s DSL for years. My elementary school used Apple II's in the year 2000. culture and tech divide a bitch in this country tbh.
[QUOTE=Mobon1;52752284]meanwhile all (or the vast majority) of the united states still swipes their debit cards[/QUOTE]
lol, in canada we've had chip readers for about 7 years
[QUOTE=Wii60;52754873]just for a example, this is how my usual two class college day goes. one way.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/kKfzwD9.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/x25HD0j.png[/img]
so when people say that "a small population country has this thing, why can't america do thing?" people dont seem to realize how huge america is land wise and how diverse cultures are in the country. San Fran can adapt cool new fiber ultra-gigabit tech in a few weeks/months while rural south barely has a 5mb/s DSL for years. My elementary school used Apple II's in the year 2000. culture and tech divide a bitch in this country tbh.[/QUOTE]
Geographical size works an excuse for things like internet speed where new cables need to be installed across a huge area, but chip and pin works on existing infrastructure. From what I've read, it has less to do with the size of the country, it's mostly that your banks don't want to have to pay to upgrade.
[QUOTE=Wii60;52754873]just for a example, this is how my usual two class college day goes. one way.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/kKfzwD9.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/x25HD0j.png[/img]
so when people say that "a small population country has this thing, why can't america do thing?" people dont seem to realize how huge america is land wise and how diverse cultures are in the country. San Fran can adapt cool new fiber ultra-gigabit tech in a few weeks/months while rural south barely has a 5mb/s DSL for years. My elementary school used Apple II's in the year 2000. culture and tech divide a bitch in this country tbh.[/QUOTE]
That's about what my commute to work is every day. America is huge. We have quite a few states so physically large that you could fit the entirety of Britian within their borders, hell, I live in one where you can drive 8 hours straight and not leave it if you start in Memphis or Chattanooga and drive east or west.[QUOTE=Kylel999;52754440]I went somewhere today where the chip was immediate and then at some places it takes like 10 seconds[/QUOTE]
If they ran that fast I wouldn't hate them. But in my experience they're all slow as shit.
[QUOTE=TestECull;52755506]That's about what my commute to work is every day. America is huge. We have quite a few states so physically large that you could fit the entirety of Britian within their borders, hell, I live in one where you can drive 8 hours straight and not leave it if you start in Memphis or Chattanooga and drive east or west.
If they ran that fast I wouldn't hate them. But in my experience they're all slow as shit.[/QUOTE]
From what I've read, they run like shit because the attempt to switch was a half-arsed failure and everyone involved was trying to cut costs.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;52755582]From what I've read, they run like shit because the attempt to switch was a half-arsed failure and everyone involved was trying to cut costs.[/QUOTE]
I don't doubt that in the least, and that's backed up by the slowest/most unreliable chip readers I've ever encountered being the ones at WalMart. I worked at that hellhole for 13 months, they won't even replace shopping cart wheels or pallet jack wheel bearings, much less spend for a proper rollout of such an advanced...to them anyway...overhaul of their Point Of Sale systems. And, hell, with each store having upwards of 30 registers in it and the company having thousands of stores across the country, even the cheap-as-dirt barely works option had to cost Bentonville far more than they were comfortable with.
[QUOTE=Mobon1;52752284]meanwhile all (or the vast majority) of the united states still swipes their debit cards[/QUOTE]
It is also annoying since I'll go to some places and I go to insert the card waiting and waiting, then the staff comes back over "oh sorry, we disabled the chip, go ahead and swipe."
[QUOTE=Wii60;52754873]just for a example, this is how my usual two class college day goes. one way.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/kKfzwD9.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/x25HD0j.png[/img]
so when people say that "a small population country has this thing, why can't america do thing?" people dont seem to realize how huge america is land wise and how diverse cultures are in the country. San Fran can adapt cool new fiber ultra-gigabit tech in a few weeks/months while rural south barely has a 5mb/s DSL for years. My elementary school used Apple II's in the year 2000. culture and tech divide a bitch in this country tbh.[/QUOTE]
You do realize how we're not saying "one country" has this thing right? We're talking the entirety of europe, probably most bigger areas of russia, the richer parts of the middle east, most of asia, and canada, right?
Not having NFC readers is a rarity in Moscow, but that's the capital
[QUOTE=Crimor;52758687]You do realize how we're not saying "one country" has this thing right? We're talking the entirety of europe, probably most bigger areas of russia, the richer parts of the middle east, most of asia, and canada, right?[/QUOTE]
ok?
[t]http://aucoplan.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/transparent-backgrounds-Map-Of-Us-Compared-To-Europe-44-For-Your-with-Map-Of-Us-Compared-To-Europe.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Wii60;52754873]just for a example, this is how my usual two class college day goes. one way.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/kKfzwD9.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/x25HD0j.png[/img]
[/QUOTE]
That's approx my daily commute too.
My problem being that it's impossible to find something in my price bracket with the space for big boy toys that's closer than that.
[quote]all these posts about americans being 100 years in the past because we don't all have chip cards yet[/quote]
I only just started hearing about it being implemented less than a year ago, and for the last 5 or 6 months I've seen double-duty readers appearing at checkout counters that both read the chip and also allow for swiping. It's a newly implemented technology and will take time for swipe cards to be phased out.
These things don't just happen overnight and I'm sure they didn't happen overnight in your European utopias.
[QUOTE=DarklytheGreat;52759123]ok?
[t]http://aucoplan.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/transparent-backgrounds-Map-Of-Us-Compared-To-Europe-44-For-Your-with-Map-Of-Us-Compared-To-Europe.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I see you neglected to add Canada, China and the rest of Asia, like half of the middle east, etc. because that would make your argument moot.
[QUOTE=Mobon1;52752284]meanwhile all (or the vast majority) of the united states still swipes their debit cards[/QUOTE]
all things considered, that angry beep scares me.
here's the scene for reference, im so glad someone finally fucking uploaded it
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3p1Yxbp_y4[/media]
[QUOTE=Crimor;52760664]I see you neglected to add Canada, China and the rest of Asia, like half of the middle east, etc. because that would make your argument moot.[/QUOTE]
barring china, and with the fact that the actually habitable part of canada is rather small, those are all smaller than the USA and more densely populated, so...
nice attempt at attacking me, i guess?
[QUOTE=DarklytheGreat;52762469]barring china, and with the fact that the actually habitable part of canada is rather small, those are all smaller than the USA and more densely populated, so...
nice attempt at attacking me, i guess?[/QUOTE]
Even ignoring China, Canada and the Middle East, Europe (10.18 million km²) is bigger than the US (9.83 million km²) and has over twice as many people in it. The real reason the US is so far behind is because they tried a soft approach at making the switch and it flopped.
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