Enough with the fear of fat | Kelli Jean Drinkwater - General

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51414387]I don't really disagree with you, but I must note that obese people don't come to a greater cost to society than the average person, in fact its the opposite because obese people don't live long enough to require end of life care.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity-prevention-source/obesity-consequences/economic/[/url]

Unless you're suffering from some kind of horrible disorder or physical ailment there's not really a justifiable reason to be overweight. It's important to be comfortable with yourself but it's also important to - y'know, not be morbidly obese.

I hope for her sake she stays out of Japanese waters

From the title I was hoping that it was about the fear of fat in diets.. but apparently not, as someone who've had a very effective weight loss episode with a high fat intake diet I was hoping that people would "see the light". As for the video, it's a bit sad really...

Side note, why is it that fat activists always seem to dress like they're from the 1950s or 60s? As a fat person, the answer to fat shit is in between the activists and the haters. Basically, don't treat fat people like shit. Fat people are fat often because of mental problems. For instance, coping with depression by eating. When you treat a fat person like shit for being fat, it can cause that person to get depressed, and then cope by eating, making the problem worse. Instead, what we [I]should[/I] be doing is; 1.Not be treating fat people like garbage. 2.At the same time recognize that being overweight is unhealthy and start [I]encouraging[/I] people to lose weight instead of making fun of them. Also maybe try to follow some of the things Japan does as detailed here [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwH3rA8Evow[/media] because they've been very successful

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51415709] Also maybe try to follow some of the things Japan does as detailed here[/QUOTE] I feel like you'd need a cattle prod to deliver a message to the person in the OP.

I had a morbidly obese girl in my class last year admit why she's fat. I guess she trusted me enough to confess. Basically stems from emotions as is to be expected more or less. When she was really upset she would suddenly find herself with a tub of ice cream on the couch. It's like there was a gap in her memory. I can imagine what that's like, it ends up making you feel even more terrible because you're capable of eating too damn much without even really wanting to or realizing it, as if she just goes into autopilot and the binging begins. So in one aspect I believe the woman in the video is right. If you want to help them shaming isn't the best way to accomplish it because obese people are probably ashamed enough as it is. Well, apart from her, probably. There are of course those who seek out being obese or making others obese. The goddamn BBW scene. They really believe they can be healthy and obese at the same time. Anyhow, if you want to help obese people, address the problem at the core. Sometimes even being an armchair psychologist accomplishes enough for that because it might be that the person you're talking to hasn't developed issues deep enough. It's a tedious task that requires patience, but most tasks that help out in the long term are.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;51415835]I had a morbidly obese girl in my class last year admit why she's fat. I guess she trusted me enough to confess. Basically stems from emotions as is to be expected more or less. When she was really upset she would suddenly find herself with a tub of ice cream on the couch. It's like there was a gap in her memory. I can imagine what that's like, it ends up making you feel even more terrible because you're capable of eating too damn much without even really wanting to or realizing it, as if she just goes into autopilot and the binging begins. So in one aspect I believe the woman in the video is right. If you want to help them shaming isn't the best way to accomplish it because obese people are probably ashamed enough as it is. Well, apart from her, probably. There are of course those who seek out being obese or making others obese. The goddamn BBW scene. They really believe they can be healthy and obese at the same time. Anyhow, if you want to help obese people, address the problem at the core. Sometimes even being an armchair psychologist accomplishes enough for that because it might be that the person you're talking to hasn't developed issues deep enough. It's a tedious task that requires patience, but most tasks that help out in the long term are.[/QUOTE] If your issues are that complex (you black out and get full of ice cream) then just don't buy such food. Can't do that if there's nothing in the fridge. And do help yourself and seek professional help. Blaming others for your problems can only go so far.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51415848]If your issues are that complex (you black out and get full of ice cream) then just don't buy such food. Can't do that if there's nothing in the fridge. And do help yourself and seek professional help. Blaming others for your problems can only go so far.[/QUOTE] She never blamed others, though.

[video=youtube;_ZBKX-6Gz6A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZBKX-6Gz6A&t=48s[/video] TED talks needs to fucking stop lol

[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;51415872][video=youtube;_ZBKX-6Gz6A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZBKX-6Gz6A&t=48s[/video][/QUOTE] Wow that's brilliant.

[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;51415872][video=youtube;_ZBKX-6Gz6A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZBKX-6Gz6A&t=48s[/video] TED talks needs to fucking stop lol[/QUOTE] I dunno what his point was but I agree wow

This is TEDx, it's like a lower-tier self-organised regional branch of TED, and it's a lot easier to get a slot at TEDx than a proper TED. I used to be morbidly obese, currently overweight. I've lost 6 stone (84lbs) so far, with 2 stone (28lbs) to go to my goal weight. I decided to lose the weight not due to pressure from social groups or conventional body image, it was because it fucking sucked being obese. It was much more difficult to do things, harder to walk places, I had less energy. I was worried that eventually I would be trapped in my own body. Not to mention all of the fatal conditions and diseases that come with obesity. A lot of my family is obese and seeing them struggle with diabetes, chronic back pain, blood pressure etc. made me want to sort my shit out while I still can. As other people have said, fat acceptance is accepting the heart problems, diabetes, and all the other problems that come along with it. I'm all for people being happy with themselves- it's very important, but when your fat is negatively affecting yourself and others, it's a problem. Of course being fat is sometimes a result of emotions the person can't deal with properly (I know it was for me), so they turn to eating instead to make themselves feel better. This is a food addiction and should be treated like any other addiction, you need counselling and therapy to learn to deal with things instead of just eating your problems.

i expected her to have an heartattack at some point in the video

I think the key is to inspire obese people with losing weight, that they want too. Seeing people in this thread gives me no intress to lose weight what so ever and in fact kinda want to rebell and problobly gonna lie by saying that am fine (like the woman on the vid). It doesn't matter if your right, by acting like a cunt isn't a good solution. If we want to make people less fat, put your opinion aside. This is just like that democrats made Trumps to win the election.

[QUOTE=Shakma;51416043]I think the key is to inspire obese people with losing weight[/QUOTE] The problem is that obese people shouldn't need to be inspired to lose weight and instead of inspiring themselves, they place blame on others for failing to inspire them. Society is not responsible for making you healthy. You are responsible for your own body.

[QUOTE=Spacewizard;51416098]The problem is that obese people shouldn't need to be inspired to lose weight and instead of inspiring themselves, they place blame on others for failing to inspire them. Society is not responsible for making you healthy. You are responsible for your own body.[/QUOTE] Society is kinda to blame. It's true that society should not be responisble by someones health, but the negative reaction from others aint gonna help in most cases and might do it worse then it needs to be. There are some that will blame you and make poor excuses why they not gonna lose weight and stay the way they are. Unfortunately you can't help everyone, and mayby be hard on them might be the only solution, but that should only be as a last resort imo.

Do you wanna lose weight or not? If the answer is yes then go do it

[QUOTE=Spacewizard;51416098]The problem is that obese people shouldn't need to be inspired to lose weight and instead of inspiring themselves, they place blame on others for failing to inspire them. Society is not responsible for making you healthy. You are responsible for your own body.[/QUOTE] You can't put all fat people in the same (hugh mungus) bag. They become fat for many differents reasons and most of them don't blame others for not inspiring them, I don't know where you got that idea from. Society is not responsible for you own body, but being a dick to fat people is not helping either. They could be dealing with depression and fat shaming them will just make things worth for them.

The stupid bitch can barely breath while standing still although still doing MINOR movements with your body. Fuck anyone who thinks being fat is okay. Anyone who thinks that being [b]OBESE[/b] is okay should just plain fucking die.

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51416572]Anyone who thinks that being [b]OBESE[/b] is okay should just plain fucking die.[/QUOTE] Not the best thing to wish upon someone, but granted - they will.

[QUOTE=pedrus24;51416562]fat shaming them will just make things worth for them.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone in this thread is advocating fat shaming unless we're just blanketing any sort of negative opinion about obesity as fat shaming. [QUOTE=Lolkork;51416596]its okay to be obese[/QUOTE] Going through a pack of cigarettes a day is 'okay' too but we sure as hell make sure that as few people as possible are doing it. Edit: To clarify, I do not think obese people should die.

She needs a dietitian and a good shrink.

[QUOTE=pedrus24;51416562]You can't put all fat people in the same (hugh mungus) bag. They become fat for many differents reasons and most of them don't blame others for not inspiring them, I don't know where you got that idea from.[/QUOTE] I actually got fat because of addiction, not to food in general (although the garbage I have to eat probably doesn't help), but to soda. Not even just caffeine in general, like I hated coffee. Specifically to soda. I was addicted since I was younger and it was such a habit that stuck with me I completely failed to notice how abnormal it was that I drank so much soda for years. Eventually I tried to quit but then I'd get withdrawal shit and it would become a coping mechanism where it's like, hey, parents are fighting? Stressed out and having panic attacks and shit? Maybe you can just have one soda. And then I'd fall back in to it. And this is adding like an additional 900 calories a day to my diet, so it's no wonder I got fat. I don't really know if I blame anyone. Maybe my parents partially because they didn't bother to care about my health as a child, which is where it started. Plus, every time I tried to quit they wouldn't stop buying them anyway, which is like giving a quitting smoker cigarettes when they keep telling you not to. But it's mostly my fault for letting it continue. [QUOTE=Spacewizard;51416098]The problem is that obese people shouldn't need to be inspired to lose weight and instead of inspiring themselves, they place blame on others for failing to inspire them. Society is not responsible for making you healthy. You are responsible for your own body.[/QUOTE] Also this is bullshit. Some people can make this happen on their own, yeah, but not everyone, especially not the depressed. The only reason I've been free of my shit is because I had friends there to back me up and my girlfriend to encourage me, where I didn't have that before. When you have these mental problems that cause you to do this, and nobody to hold you accountable, it becomes extremely easy to fall back in to it just because you had a bad day or because your willpower, being finite, just ran out on its own. The people who support you are a huge part of staying determined to lose weight. Sure, there are some people who are like "I did it all myself cause people done called me a fat piece of shit so I lost weight easy" but I sincerely doubt those encompass the majority of cases.

[QUOTE=gudman;51416587]Not the best thing to wish upon someone, but granted - they will.[/QUOTE] It's better to chop the head off rather than the arm [editline]23rd November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Lolkork;51416596]its okay to be obese[/QUOTE] ded

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51416572]Anyone who thinks that being [b]OBESE[/b] is okay should just plain fucking die.[/QUOTE] I think saying things like this is a good indicator that you've become too extreme in your beliefs

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51415709]Side note, why is it that fat activists always seem to dress like they're from the 1950s or 60s?[/QUOTE] I don't know the real answer, but you can find thousands of videos on youtube of fat people bitching that they can't find clothes in their size (or worse, complaining that they can't fit into clothes 20 sizes under theirs).

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51416613]Some people can make this happen on their own, yeah, but not everyone, especially not the depressed[/QUOTE] I'm going to make the assumption that the majority of the 30-ish percent of the population that's obese does not have medical depression and doesn't need a support group to lose their weight. If the problem is literally that 30% of adults are physically incapable of eating less by themselves then I'll concede my earlier statement.

It's hardly arbitrary that people look down on fatness, it's not only unhealthy but your sheer size causes problems for other people, like taking up more space on the bus or the pavement which can actually be legitimately annoying, along with the fact that they also tend to smell.

[QUOTE=Shakma;51416043]I think the key is to inspire obese people with losing weight, that they want too. Seeing people in this thread gives me no intress to lose weight what so ever and in fact kinda want to rebell and problobly gonna lie by saying that am fine (like the woman on the vid). It doesn't matter if your right, by acting like a cunt isn't a good solution. If we want to make people less fat, put your opinion aside. This is just like that democrats made Trumps to win the election.[/QUOTE] Ultimately you're just doing yourself more harm and no one will feel sorry when you have a heart attack. Rather prove others that you can come out on top despite the hate. That will show them a lot more than dying early.