[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48664365]I do feel like pre 2000s anime had some more quality and taste to them rather than panty shots and molestation, and all the fucking rape :v:. That's another gripe, so much rape or rape attempts (AS FAR AS I CAN TELL THIS ISN'T A BLANKET STATEMENT).[/QUOTE]
What the fuck have you been watching bro
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48663533]While I feel to agree with the OP's video, he has to realize that shit like this of "broad audience" really it hasn't changed much things, it's just peoples perspective.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzT3X66FepU[/media]
Don't care for this guy but he is 100% spot on[/QUOTE]
To expand on this, it isn't as if the same shit being churned out now wasn't being churned out in the 80s and 90s, it was just more niche than it is now, mainly because people importing anime and dubbing anime themselves during that time period (where a company-funded sub was a dream for the most part) had a bitch of a time with it all.
Fansubbing was way more insane back then, with VHS dubbers and mailing lists and shit. Only really good shows ever saw popularity here, but if you go back and look at the releases for that time - there was far less anime, but the same basic formula was followed. Action show, moe show, magic show, etc.
Nothing has changed too much, the archetypes have gotten more cliche and novelty is something that rarely happens which is sad, but I can't really say our hollywood is much different.
And good anime *does* come out these days, they're rare but they were rare then, too. GiTS, Akira? It was an entire [i]decade[/i]. What were the shows passed up? Most of them were pretty shit, too.
[QUOTE=Karmah;48664708]Is Redline any good?
I saw one scene from it and that scene looked pretty good[/QUOTE]
Don't watch it if you're expecting a plot or anything to be explained.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;48665438]I just want more decent cyberpunk Anime, the new Ghost in The Shell series was okay, but nothing spectacular.[/QUOTE]
the move from cyberpunk to loli slice of life anime kinda let go of a demographic that exists worldwide and probably still in japan.
look at this bubblegum crisis (ova), most of the episodes had enough original scores to have their own soundtracks and they did.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfPzSC50JY4[/media]
each episode had their own music for their title card
Also the dubbing is unheard of now (eng dub came out in early 90s), not only did they redo the sound effects, but they redid all the songs.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yg7yFA-v-g[/media]
this song was solely in the ending credits of the first episode, and each episode that their own intro and ending song.
[b]Edit:[/b] the poster below's avatar us from this anime.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48665388]but that stuff is great
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZADmRukyvA[/media][/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;ILQ_pvI4AGI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQ_pvI4AGI[/video]
Cyber City Oedo 808 eng dub is a treasure
It bothers me a bit when people go "all anime is shit" or "I can't find anything I like" and then use stuff on a genre they don't like or entry-tier (or in other words filthy casuals-tier) stuff to prove their point. Five minutes of fishing around is more than enough to find you something you'd like.
[editline]12th September 2015[/editline]
You can find plenty of shows that don't have the stuff that many people don't like and thus avoid anime because of. There's plenty that works for Western audiences besides Cowboy Bebop and GitS and Trigun and that kind of thing.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48663533]While I feel to agree with the OP's video, he has to realize that shit like this of "broad audience" really it hasn't changed much things, it's just peoples perspective.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzT3X66FepU[/media]
Don't care for this guy but he is 100% spot on[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna have to disagree with this video. I grew up watching mid '00s anime, but I still regard the '80s as the golden age.
[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;48665684]I'm gonna have to disagree with this video. I grew up watching mid '00s anime, but I still regard the '80s as the golden age.[/QUOTE]
80s was golden area, 00 was silver.
Disliking anime is like disliking video games. It is pretty weird because it isn't a specific genre and such. It is just animation made in Japan afterall. Hell, a show that aired in the Netherlands was technically an anime even though it was written by a Dutch person because it was animated by a Japanese studio.
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;48666229]Disliking anime is like disliking video games. It is pretty weird because it isn't a specific genre and such. It is just animation made in Japan afterall. Hell, a show that aired in the Netherlands was technically an anime even though it was written by a Dutch person because it was animated by a Japanese studio.[/QUOTE]
That's what they did for Valerian and Laureline, french production with a japan studio. Don't let the intro fool you, shit get's a little crazy near the end in budget.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W1cuRv6GRw[/media]
[QUOTE=Stinky;48665425]What the fuck have you been watching bro[/QUOTE]
It sounds like he's just been watching porn
also nice avatar dude, now THAT's a good anime
[QUOTE=Stinky;48665425]What the fuck have you been watching bro[/QUOTE]
must not had been this, the most violent hentai that gave birth to tentacle rape.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKb8mrxpFPQ[/media]
might had been this
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBGWNzg2ZZQ[/media]
[QUOTE=Karmah;48664708]Is Redline any good?
I saw one scene from it and that scene looked pretty good[/QUOTE]
It's a good movie in the same way Transformers is a good movie. It's all about the visuals, kicking back and turning off your brain just enjoying the ride.
It has nothing to offer in the originality department, but it is entertaining and sports good visuals. Wanna watch a guy race against space aliens in a ridiculous fashion? There's your movie.
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;48666229]Disliking anime is like disliking video games. It is pretty weird because it isn't a specific genre and such. It is just animation made in Japan afterall. Hell, a show that aired in the Netherlands was technically an anime even though it was written by a Dutch person because it was animated by a Japanese studio.[/QUOTE]
it's not like saying you hate video games. Video games is a whole means of entertainment. Anime is a means of entertainment that can be lumped into "watching tv".
It's more like saying "i hate black and white films" because that's due more to the visuals of the content, which is why a lot of people are put off by anime. It also correlates because people tend to think black and white films are cheesy and whatnot - but there are tons that stand out - just like anime.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;48667865]it's not like saying you hate video games. Video games is a whole means of entertainment. Anime is a means of entertainment that can be lumped into "watching tv".
It's more like saying "i hate black and white films" because that's due more to the visuals of the content, which is why a lot of people are put off by anime. It also correlates because people tend to think black and white films are cheesy and whatnot - but there are tons that stand out - just like anime.[/QUOTE]
Anime covers an insanely wide verity of styles and stories, aimed at kids, teenagers, adults, ect, it's a medium.
saying you don't like anime is not so much saying you don't like black and white movies, it's like saying you don't like movies, or that you don't like music, or books.
there are definitely anime most western audiences wouldn't like at first, but then I see people say shit like "I hate anime" but they like Ghibli's movies which I guess don't count as anime... because they like them?
if you don't like anime about fucking schoolgirls, don't watch them. I mean, that's pretty fucking hard these days but if you go classic anime you can avoid like 90% of the schoolgirls.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;48667945]Anime covers an insanely wide verity of styles and stories, aimed at kids, teenagers, adults, ect, it's a medium.
saying you don't like anime is not so much saying you don't like black and white movies, it's like saying you don't like movies, or that you don't like music, or books.
there are definitely anime most western audiences wouldn't like at first, but then I see people say shit like "I hate anime" but they like Ghibli's movies which I guess don't count as anime... because they like them?
if you don't like anime about fucking schoolgirls, don't watch them. I mean, that's pretty fucking hard these days but if you go classic anime you can avoid like 90% of the schoolgirls.[/QUOTE]
Black and white film has an insanely wide variety of styles and stories, aimed at tons of different age groups too, so how does my analogy not stand??
Saying an anime is a medium all in it's own is pretty redundant. It's animation, plain and simple. The fact that it's made in Japan defines the term. But it's still animation. It's not it's own medium, that's silly to say. That's like saying japanese music is it's own medium, because music is the medium. It has it's own industry that is for sure, but it isn't it's own entire medium of entertainment.
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;48666229]Disliking anime is like disliking video games. It is pretty weird because it isn't a specific genre and such. It is just animation made in Japan afterall. Hell, a show that aired in the Netherlands was technically an anime even though it was written by a Dutch person because it was animated by a Japanese studio.[/QUOTE]
Same thing with Batman: The Animated Series. It was produced in America by WB, but most of the animation was done overseas in Japan. Episodes like "Almost got 'Im" and the critically acclaimed "Heart of Ice" were done by Spectrum Animation.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_Animation[/url]
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;48667972]Black and white film has an insanely wide variety of styles and stories, aimed at tons of different age groups too, so how does my analogy not stand??
Saying an anime is a medium all in it's own is pretty redundant. It's animation, plain and simple. The fact that it's made in Japan defines the term. But it's still animation. It's not it's own medium, that's silly to say. That's like saying japanese music is it's own medium, because music is the medium. It has it's own industry that is for sure, but it isn't it's own entire medium of entertainment.[/QUOTE]
Because black and white films are not a different medium to [I]films[/I], there is black and white animation as well. being black and white is not a style, it's a limitation. silent films, black and white films ect are a part of films.
if you don't like old anime because of the animation, that would be comparable to black and white films. but instead it's more comparable to [I]films[/I].
You're right, anime on it's own is not a medium, the medium is animation. it still doesn't make sense to blanket statement dismiss anime, that would be like saying all cartoons in America are bad.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;48668062]Because black and white films are not a different medium to [I]films[/I], there is black and white animation as well. being black and white is not a style, it's a limitation. silent films, black and white films ect are a part of films.
if you don't like old anime because of the animation, that would be comparable to black and whitefilms. but instead it's more comparable to [I]films[/I].[/QUOTE]
That's not the correlation I'm making in my analogy though... I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing dude.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;48668075]That's not the correlation I'm making in my analogy though... I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing dude.[/QUOTE]
I'm arguing because I think you made a bad analogy
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;48668062]
it still doesn't make sense to blanket statement dismiss anime, that would be like saying all cartoons in America are bad.[/QUOTE]
woah what the fuck
I was trying to help that point out the whole time by giving a more suitable analogy u fool *rolls up sleeves*
way to throw me on to the other side of the fence unwillingly
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;48668092]woah what the fuck
I was trying to help that point out the whole time by giving a more suitable analogy u fool *rolls up sleeves*[/QUOTE]
I didn't say you did, my posts have not entirely been directed at you, the second half of my first post was aimed at the part of this thread that complained that anime as full of schoolgirls for example.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;48668089]I'm arguing because I think you made a bad analogy[/QUOTE]
Black and white film is seen by many people as a subset of film. I'm not talking about simple greyscale filter over a movie ~because art~.
Black and White isn't just a limitation. It's a style that can be used for really awesome effects that look super real and believable due to the fact you don't have to worry about colour, and can do lighting tricks.
Not to mention, your counter point is that black and white is in the medium of films. that does nothing but reinforce my analogy bruv.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48664362]golden boy is the greatest japanimation ever made
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QickU67A8j4[/media][/QUOTE]
There is no harem anime of greater quality than Golden Boy.
Your analogy is garbage. How bout you get a better one.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;48668138]Your analogy is garbage. How bout you get a better one.[/QUOTE]
this is ridiculous
sorry it looks like im insulting your animes, but the "saying you dont like anime is like saying you dont like video games" is just as garbage of an analogy if not worse.
That's why I attempted to find a more suitable one. Either way people get the fucking point.
How did we get into an argument over fucking black and white film in a thread about styles of bouncing anime titties.
[QUOTE=Swilly;48668188]How did we get into an argument over fucking black and white film in a thread about styles of bouncing anime titties.[/QUOTE]
because my analogy didn't give the great anime subculture enough credit!
Who the fuck cares? Most people don't realize just how circular in influence American and Japanese art and animation styles are.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;48668159]this is ridiculous
sorry it looks like im insulting your animes, but the "saying you dont like anime is like saying you dont like video games" is just as garbage of an analogy if not worse.
That's why I attempted to find a more suitable one. Either way people get the fucking point.[/QUOTE]
The point they're getting is not the one you want tho because of your terrible black and white movie analogy which annoyed the piss out of them.
Saying "I don't like anime" is just a blanket statement in most cases just like saying "I don't like video games" is a blanket statement in most cases. I hate Nickleback but I don't jump into conversations going "I hate music" because that would be dumb and incorrect.
You should have just said "I don't like most anime" OR "I've never seen an anime that I've liked so far". because now you have to deal with coming off as a prude. Alternately you could have said nothing at all.
In short, your choice of words was bad.
[editline]12th September 2015[/editline]
Not gonna defend the FA dudes who feel the need to defend anime at the slightest thing they feel is an attack either, so don't think I am.
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