White people: Check your privilage daily or be a bigot
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I am talking about structural racism as opposed to the classic idea of racism being only in individual acts. One must look at the bigger picture. White people are not immune to mistreatment by other races, but it is not nearly the same as the immense forces working against the interests of minorities. Calling what can happen to white people is a disgrace to the non white people who are victims of worse every day.
[QUOTE=person11;41503381]I am talking about structural racism as opposed to the classic idea of racism being only in individual acts. One must look at the bigger picture. White people are not immune to mistreatment by other races, but it is not nearly the same as the [b]immense forces[/b] working against the interests of minorities. Calling what can happen to white people is a disgrace to the non white people who are [b]victims of worse every day.[/b][/QUOTE]
Source?
[QUOTE=person11;41503381]I am talking about structural racism as opposed to the classic idea of racism being only in individual acts. One must look at the bigger picture. White people are not immune to mistreatment by other races, but it is not nearly the same as the immense forces working against the interests of minorities. Calling what can happen to white people is a disgrace to the non white people who are victims of worse every day.[/QUOTE]
then say structural racism
just plain racism is a very, very general term and there's no limits to who can feel it, so yes there can be racism against white people, but there's never (or very rarely) [I]structural[/I] racism against white people
for someone who knows as much sociology as you do, i'd have expected you to make this clear, person11
[QUOTE=xxncxx;41503403]Source?[/QUOTE]
ahahahahahahahahaahah
go fucking outside and see for yourself, the sources for what I am telling you are literally everywhere. look at prison statistics, look at execution and sentencing statistics, look at how race is portrayed in films and video games, look at how we on facepunch and in the news tried so hard to vilify Trayvon for no good reason (you can claim Zimmerman is innocent without reducing Trayvon to just some thug), look at how different laws about crack and coke are despite the drugs being so similar, look at voter id laws and the recent gutting of the voting rights act by the supreme court, look at the subtle differences in wording when bon iver rants about racism and when kanye west rants about racism in the media, etc
nothing is more nauseating than someone who does not see the bigger picture: how much racism, sexism, classism, etc, still goes on in our society
[editline]18th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;41503423]then say structural racism
just plain racism is a very, very general term and there's no limits to who can feel it, so yes there can be racism against white people, but there's never (or very rarely) [I]structural[/I] racism against white people
for someone who knows as much sociology as you do, i'd have expected you to make this clear, person11[/QUOTE]
Good point. I should have been clear from the beginning that I talk about Racism as a structure and not an act.
I have spent too much time with PoC activists who do not use Racism to describe individual acts so much as the collection of those acts on a Macro, rather than Micro, level.
Oh look, it managed to bring forth people that actually agree with the video. How do people not see the hypocrisy in all this?
"If you are white you automatically have an inborn privilege and you are racist just by existing, therefore you should work every day to undermine other white people's successes because according to us they are all bad and shouldn't have power, we also base that on nothing but purely skin colour, however it's not racist because we've branded them with our own terms like "oppressor" or "bigot" which makes any complaints they have null and void because they don't deserve a defence."
Yeah that sounds perfectly fine.
[QUOTE=person11;41503460]ahahahahahahahahaahah
go fucking outside and see for yourself, the sources for what I am telling you are literally everywhere. look at prison statistics, look at execution and sentencing statistics, look at how race is portrayed in films and video games, look at how we on facepunch and in the news tried so hard to vilify Trayvon for no good reason (you can claim Zimmerman is innocent without reducing Trayvon to just some thug), look at how different laws about crack and coke are despite the drugs being so similar, look at voter id laws and the recent gutting of the voting rights act by the supreme court, look at the subtle differences in wording when bon iver rants about racism and when kanye west rants about racism in the media, etc
nothing is more nauseating than someone who does not see the bigger picture: how much racism, sexism, classism, etc, still goes on in our society
[editline]18th July 2013[/editline]
Good point. I should have been clear from the beginning that I talk about Racism as a structure and not an act.
I have spent too much time with PoC activists who do not use Racism to describe individual acts so much as the collection of those acts on a Macro, rather than Micro, level.[/QUOTE] At this point dude, why even debate, you said you can't be racist towards whites. You're honestly at a level of stupidity, I actually feel a slight bit of pain in my head when reading your posts. I'm out of here.
[QUOTE=FEARME!;41495098]"It's not enough to feel bad!"
I don't even feel bad in the first place. Guys, what should I do!?[/QUOTE]
jesus christ, better check it twice, just to be sure.
Blonde hair and blue eyes Represent!!!
Awwww yeah! :dance:
[QUOTE=acds;41503478]Oh look, it managed to bring forth people that actually agree with the video. How do people not see the hypocrisy in all this?
"If you are white you automatically have an inborn privilege and you are racist just by existing, therefore you should work every day to undermine other white people's successes because according to us they are all bad and shouldn't have power, we also base that on nothing but purely skin colour, however it's not racist because we've branded them with our own terms like "oppressor" or "bigot" which makes any complaints they have null and void because they don't deserve a defence."
Yeah that sounds perfectly fine.[/QUOTE]
you know you don't actually have to be racist to support racist things right
[QUOTE=person11;41502964]White people control our society[/QUOTE]
'Society' doesn't exist in countries with non-white majorities? Racist scum.
So white people need to check their privilages. How does it work exactly? Is it based on how white you are? Do pasty nerds need to check their privilage more often than people with a tan? Is it quantity based? You can to check it just as often but you have less to check, or let it build up and just dedicate a weekend to it? Is there a quota?
You can't be racist towards white people because special pleading.
[QUOTE=Viper_;41495689]Umm wow, cannot believe I'm reading this?
Racism is prejudice + power...
You cannot be racist towards whites because whites have all the power, duh?
I thought facepunch supported social justice...[/QUOTE]
[quote=definition]
rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/Noun
1.The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...
2.Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.[/quote]
I never understood the thought that white people can't experience racism. Anyone can experience racism regardless of where they live or the population of the area.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;41505251]So white people need to check their privilages. How does it work exactly? Is it based on how white you are? Do pasty nerds need to check their privilage more often than people with a tan? Is it quantity based? You can to check it just as often but you have less to check, or let it build up and just dedicate a weekend to it? Is there a quota?[/QUOTE]
Appareantly the more things you are in majority of, the more privileged you are and less discriminated against.
[QUOTE=ScratchNsniff;41504367]Blonde hair and blue eyes Represent!!!
Awwww yeah! :dance:[/QUOTE]
I called the authorities.
Please report to your local tumblr justice league for a quadruple privilege check.
[QUOTE=person11;41502964]What they see are people who are living much better lives for absolutely no reason. Getting angry is a normal response. A poor person trying to imagine how a hedge fund manager lives will get angry: why does this person feel justified in controlling more wealth than millions of food strapped people? Hostility to some degree must be expected.
Expecting the oppressed to be calm and not say anything hostile or hostile sounding is actually rather privileged of us.
That being said, "checking one's privilege" does not sound nearly as offensive as the fact that we live in a society of unjust privileges.
[editline]18th July 2013[/editline]
No it is not.
I know this post will get plenty of dumbs, but I have to say what is true anyway.
White people control our society. It is impossible for white people to be victims of racism. Discrimination? Potentially. However, the orchestrators of a racist society cannot be victims of that society. Claims of racism against white people are usually wrong: either because they are dimwitted defenses against their own acts of racism, dimwitted attacks against civil rights activists, or because people confuse racism (the combination of laws, values, and norms that bear down upon racial minorities in our society) and individual acts of discrimination motivated (sometimes wrongly) by white power over other races. One is encouraged and made easy by society (white on black violence, for example), while the other is vilified to the nth degree and seen as justification for further racism.
White people cannot be victims of racism.[/QUOTE]
fucking cracka-ass white bread mothafuckas
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41499306]It isn't simply about ethnicity. Religion, culture and individual charactaristics come into play.
[url]http://checkprivilege.x10.mx/[/url]
This calculator should help but it doesn't go into as much detail as other ones.[/QUOTE]
I managed to get a 15, does that mean I can be really obnoxious and rude now?
[QUOTE=person11;41503460]
nothing is more nauseating than someone who does not see the bigger picture: [B]how much racism, sexism, classism, etc, still goes on in our society[/B]
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yeah i don't know about you but that doesn't happen here pal.
[quote]news tried so hard to vilify Trayvon for no good reason[/quote]
I'm pretty sure it was the other way around...
[QUOTE=xxncxx;41506322]yeah i don't know about you but that doesn't happen here pal. [/QUOTE]
I'm as much opposed to the irritating social justice warriors as any chap, but I don't think your circumstances can be extended to everyone 'here'. Perhaps racism, sexism and classism et. al. does happen, but not to you.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;41506380]I'm as much opposed to the irritating social justice warriors as any chap, but I don't think your circumstances can be extended to everyone 'here'. Perhaps racism, sexism and classism et. al. does happen, but not to you.[/QUOTE]
I know they can't, and I never implied they could. I was pointing out that its foolish to assume that because it happens where he lives, that it happens where I live too.
There's always been one thing (well actually nearly all the things) that SJW's say that's odd
So, if [I]all[/I] racism = prejudice + power, does that mean I, as a white person, can go to China and call some random Chinese guy on the street various racial slurs, and then it would be not racist since Chinese people hold the power in China?
Like 100% honest serious question
It keeps making me think there's a new meal at burger king called the "privilege" meal.
[QUOTE=Mr. Jelly;41507352]There's always been one thing (well actually nearly all the things) that SJW's say that's odd
So, if [I]all[/I] racism = prejudice + power, does that mean I, as a white person, can go to China and call some random Chinese guy on the street various racial slurs, and then it would be not racist since Chinese people hold the power in China?
Like 100% honest serious question[/QUOTE]
Stop clouding the issue with understandable rational thinking and check your privilege.
[QUOTE=Mr. Jelly;41507352]There's always been one thing (well actually nearly all the things) that SJW's say that's odd
So, if [I]all[/I] racism = prejudice + power, does that mean I, as a white person, can go to China and call some random Chinese guy on the street various racial slurs, and then it would be not racist since Chinese people hold the power in China?
Like 100% honest serious question[/QUOTE]
I have two answers.
1.) It would probably still be racist because your "power" as a white person in the modern era transcends national boundaries (aka: whiteness)
2.) Suppose you had no power, you would not be racist, you would be super prejudiced. Being super prejudiced is just as bad as being really racist. The refined definition of racism just tries to highlight when the "dominant" race is exercising their prejudice against minority races.
[editline]18th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=xxncxx;41506322]yeah i don't know about you but that doesn't happen here pal.
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Good one.
[QUOTE=Flameon;41507866]I have two answers.
1.) It would probably still be racist because your "power" as a white person in the modern era transcends national boundaries (aka: whiteness)[/QUOTE]
What does that even mean. If a white guy walks into an area like a town in rural japan his only "power" is making everyone feel uncomfortable
[QUOTE=Flameon;41507866]
2.) Suppose you had no power, you would not be racist, you would be super prejudiced. Being super prejudiced is just as bad as being really racist. The refined definition of racism just tries to highlight when the "dominant" race is exercising their prejudice against minority races.
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The Anti-Defamation League considers racism to be hatred against any and all races based on superficial and prejudiced judgement on skin color or nationality.
Racism is not exclusive to the perceived majority of a country.
That said, being super prejudiced is still racism, it's the same thing. Superficial prejudices based on skin color or other unimportant variables.
Someone who is "extremely prejudiced" has the same capacity for unjust actions as someone who is racist.
Racism is racism. Judging and treating people differently based on their race.
I really don't fucking get why would it only be racism is if you're the majority or part of the group that has it better. Either you judge people based on their race or you don't. Why are you changing meaning of words?
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;41507994]What does that even mean. If a white guy walks into an area like a town in rural japan his only "power" is making everyone feel uncomfortable
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This isnt true dude, there is a cultural/ideological power that is imbued in whiteness that transcends national boundaries. This is why if I visited Dubai I would be allowed to drink alcohol while a Muslim there would be arrested.
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The Anti Defamation League considers racism to be hatred against any and all races based on superficial and prejudiced judgement on skin color or nationality. Not just the perceived majority of a country.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and the whole point of changing the definition was that the old definition wasn't satisfactory enough. Is racism between whites and blacks in the U.S. the same? What about between Palestinians and Israelis in Israel? When the "dominant" race has prejudiced against minority races, the effects and outcomes are qualitatively and quantitatively different than prejudice from minorities to the majority. As social scientists, the point of refining the definition was to recognize this.
[QUOTE=Flameon;41508093]This isnt true dude, there is a cultural/ideological power that is imbued in whiteness that transcends national boundaries. This is why if I visited Dubai I would be allowed to drink alcohol while a Muslim there would be arrested.
Yeah, and the whole point of changing the definition was that the old definition wasn't satisfactory enough. Is racism between whites and blacks in the U.S. the same? What about between Palestinians and Israelis in Israel? When the "dominant" race has prejudiced against minority races, the effects and outcomes are qualitatively and quantitatively different than prejudice from minorities to the majority. As social scientists, the point of refining the definition was to recognize this.[/QUOTE]
so white people have superpowers, why did i not get this memo
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;41508171]so white people have superpowers, why did i not get this memo[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-ckDJ3xTaE[/media]
[QUOTE=Flameon;41508093]This isnt true dude, there is a cultural/ideological power that is imbued in whiteness that transcends national boundaries. This is why if I visited Dubai I would be allowed to drink alcohol while a Muslim there would be arrested.
Yeah, and the whole point of changing the definition was that the old definition wasn't satisfactory enough. Is racism between whites and blacks in the U.S. the same? What about between Palestinians and Israelis in Israel? When the "dominant" race has prejudiced against minority races, the effects and outcomes are qualitatively and quantitatively different than prejudice from minorities to the majority. As social scientists, the point of refining the definition was to recognize this.[/QUOTE]
"it's not racism when I discriminate you because other people from your race have it better than people from my race, who cares it doesn't mean anything at all at individual level"
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