Surveillance Camera Man 6 - General

[QUOTE=Apache249;44461007]He's invading their personal space. Is that so hard to understand? It's almost as if some people have never experienced social interaction before. I'm sure if he was quite far away (ie up on a tower like a security camera) they would not have made a fuss, but he was extremely intrusive, not to mention the few times he trespassed in people's workplace.[/QUOTE] [b]"If you're being recorded in public and you want the person to stop, just assault them and break their stuff, it's perfectly alright"[/b] This is how you sound.

[QUOTE=Episode;44465361][B]"If you're being recorded in public and you want the person to stop, just assault them and break their stuff, it's perfectly alright"[/B] This is how you sound.[/QUOTE] Where did I say it's alright to assault him? I just said that it's understandable that they got upset.

Why is everyone saying "ya I'd just laugh and be on my way" a lot of these people were talking to people, doing things, and some asshole comes right up to them pointing a camera at them, or standing behind someone. Doesn't deserve to get his camera broke or hit, but he shouldn't do that, very immature behavior honestly.

[QUOTE=Apache249;44461007]He's invading their personal space. Is that so hard to understand? It's almost as if some people have never experienced social interaction before. I'm sure if he was quite far away (ie up on a tower like a security camera) they would not have made a fuss, but he was extremely intrusive, not to mention the few times he trespassed in people's workplace.[/QUOTE] As someone who has experienced A LOT of social interaction, becoming visibly enraged because someone is point a camera at you is sociably unacceptable. I get it. We don't always have our pretty days and some of us are paranoid as fuck. That doesn't give you the right to physically lash out at the camera man. It's like the Trayvon Martin thing. Just because someone is in your personal space, you do NOT have the right to lay your hands on them. I'm surprised there's people who think otherwise :v:

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;44467221]As someone who has experienced A LOT of social interaction, becoming visibly enraged because someone is point a camera at you is sociably unacceptable.[/quote] Becoming upset that someone is persistently filming you up close and personal despite repeated requests to stop is more understandable and "socially acceptable" than going around persistently filming people despite repeated requests to stop. [QUOTE]I get it. We don't always have our pretty days and some of us are paranoid as fuck. That doesn't give you the right to physically lash out at the camera man. [/QUOTE] Never said it was justified to assault the camera man, only understandable. [QUOTE]It's like the Trayvon Martin thing. Just because someone is in your personal space, you do NOT have the right to lay your hands on them. [/QUOTE] Not sure how you're using that example. Are you saying Martin didn't have the right to lash out at Zimmerman, or the opposite. [editline]6th April 2014[/editline] Notice how only one post in this thread is actually saying they would take/break the camera and nobody said they condone assaulting the guy.

[QUOTE=Pandamox;44444429]really interesting to see how some people react. people like the guy at 0:14 and women at 0:18 act with humour and don't really mind it and go on with their merry day, while what seems to be a majority of people get really aggressive and nearly start assaulting the guy. can't really say how i'd react, i'd like to think it would be more with humour[/QUOTE] It's a pretty good statement of how weird it is that people accept surveillance cameras everywhere as a normal thing, stating they have nothing to hide and that it stops crime. But as soon as someone is actually holding the camera, they freak the fuck out.

I love how in his videos he progressively says less and less, now he just doesn't say anything at all and its awkward as hell. I would say that I wish he would upload more often but he'd probably get shot or something. It's pretty clear from the beginning he does this to piss people off. I guarantee most of you guys laugh at video game/internet griefing videos, what's the difference? The guy just takes it a step further by doing it outside. I highly doubt there's any tinfoil message behind it.

jesus christ that family meeting that dude was amazing

i think he's fantastic. only 2 people he filmed were cheered up about being filmed. He even got spat on..

The parts where he films the Asians are hilarious.

[QUOTE=V12US;44467433]It's a pretty good statement of how weird it is that people accept surveillance cameras everywhere as a normal thing, stating they have nothing to hide and that it stops crime. But as soon as someone is actually holding the camera, they freak the fuck out.[/QUOTE] It's not making a statement about anything, there's nothing to suggest that all these people aren't fully aware of and against camera surveillance already. Do you really believe that there's a minimal difference between a camera hanging off a wall somewhere that you can walk past, and some mute creep that singles you out and follows you, films your kids, disrupts your day like the couple's at 2:43, etc. and then goes off to do who knows what with it?

[QUOTE=AK'z;44469000]i think he's fantastic. only 2 people he filmed were cheered up about being filmed. He even got spat on..[/QUOTE] I bet the majority of people he films don't produce a reaction worth uploading.

I don't know how I'd react. A lot of people say they'd react positively and joke with him or whatever, but is that true? I mean, I'm not very confrontational so I might react that way, or shy off down another street or something.

[QUOTE=geogzm;44470123][B]I don't know how I'd react.[/B] A lot of people say they'd react positively and joke with him or whatever, but is that true? I mean, I'm not very confrontational so I might react that way, or shy off down another street or something.[/QUOTE] That's the key right there. I don't see how all these people just [I]know[/I] how they'd react to a situation they'd never been in. I'm sure they'd like to keep a level head or whatever, but many different factors present in the real situation will affect how they react.

[QUOTE=Episode;44465361][B]"If you're being recorded in public and you want the person to stop, just assault them and break their stuff, it's perfectly alright"[/B] This is how you sound.[/QUOTE] When did he ever mention that violence was a good answer? And regarding the legality of this, the laws you're talking about are there to enable you to record videos and take photographs in/of crowded public places, but they're not there so you can follow people around with a camera without their consent just to get some sort of reaction out of them, I'm fairly certain that could be classed as harassment.

[QUOTE=Spor;44447805]There has been an influx of idiots on Facepunch lately. Do some people here really claim they won't be bothered by a man following you and filming you up close and personal? You have got to be kidding me. I wasn't talking about picking fights. I was talking about being bothered by it. Every rational human being would be bothered, because you don't know his intentions. People here say like it's totally fine and they wouldn't care because cameras already watch you. It's like saying that someone following you and staring at you with wide open eyes wouldn't bother them because you are seen by other people anyway.[/QUOTE] that's your opinion

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;44466968]Why is everyone saying "ya I'd just laugh and be on my way" a lot of these people were talking to people, doing things, and some asshole comes right up to them pointing a camera at them, or standing behind someone. Doesn't deserve to get his camera broke or hit, but he shouldn't do that, very immature behavior honestly.[/QUOTE] its immature behavior for our entertainment. the only reason this thread has this argument and not other prank videos is because someone tried to say this dude is making some social statement which i [b]HIGHLY DOUBT IS THE CASE[/b]

[QUOTE=idiot;44469800]It's not making a statement about anything, there's nothing to suggest that all these people aren't fully aware of and against camera surveillance already. Do you really believe that there's a minimal difference between a camera hanging off a wall somewhere that you can walk past, and some mute creep that singles you out and follows you, films your kids, disrupts your day like the couple's at 2:43, etc. and then goes off to do who knows what with it?[/QUOTE] it's comedy

[QUOTE=Apache249;44470151]That's the key right there. I don't see how all these people just [I]know[/I] how they'd react to a situation they'd never been in. I'm sure they'd like to keep a level head or whatever, but many different factors present in the real situation will affect how they react.[/QUOTE] Why do you just assume that nobody has been randomly filmed before wtf Also, if you're trying to suggest someone pointing a camera at someone will instantly trigger the fight or flight mechanic you're something else.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;44471434]Why do you just assume that nobody has been randomly filmed before wtf[/QUOTE] Because not a single one of the people who said "Oh I would just take it as a joke" said that they have been filmed before. [QUOTE]Also, if you're trying to suggest someone pointing a camera at someone will instantly trigger the fight or flight mechanic you're something else.[/QUOTE] Not suggesting anything of the sort. [editline]6th April 2014[/editline] Nice try, though.

[QUOTE=Satane;44471502]Watch his first video. It looks a lot more like he's trying to make a point. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CONgeNlxVug[/media][/QUOTE] I've watched all of his videos already. He referrs to cameras when they are actually present. [editline]6th April 2014[/editline] Anyway, even if this guy thought this was a social commentary he would be full of himself. Have you read the descriptions? Refers to himself as SCM.

Never change, Facepunch.

[QUOTE=Episode;44451328]ITT: people who agree to assault and damage someones property because they're being legally filmed in public[/QUOTE] it goes a little bit deeper than that. i figure in a situation like this, you'd probably feel very uncomfortable, possibly threatened. then it goes into "fight or flight". You can see people laughing and trying to get away, then people taking the other road.

[QUOTE=G71tc4;44473913]it goes a little bit deeper than that. i figure in a situation like this, you'd probably feel very uncomfortable, possibly threatened. then it goes into "fight or flight". You can see people laughing and trying to get away, then people taking the other road.[/QUOTE] So feeling uncomfortable or threatened gives you the right to act like an animal and break their stuff? Also how is he threatening? Another thing I wanted to point out is how we're being told "you don't know how you'd react or feel!" then after that we get told that, we're told we'd feel uncomfortable and wanna do something about it? Reality is, we know how we'd can react to a simple social situation as to someone randomly and quietly recording you. You what you should do if you don't like it? Move on to a different area, if he follows you (which he never did, mind you.. following has to mean following intentionally for awhile). Than it's stalking/harassment. Now I don't agree with the recording in the kitchen in Taco Bell (I find it funny) but I don't agree with it. But go figure, the areas where it's legal to record others is where everyone has a pissy fit. Now, how would I feel if he randomly recorded me in public? Simple, at first sight I would be unhappy and confused, but due to the fact that I know the law, i'd know that it's legal so I would ignore it and if he follows me after such a certain distance then i'll address him and see where it goes from there. The last thing I plan to do is act like a buffoon and go to jail for breaking someones property for being annoyed. Basically in short, what's he's doing isn't a big fucking deal. It's hilarious and I should be gratful there's still morons in the world. It's entertaining to watch them act like kids over something that doesn't truly affect them.

Recording in public is legal, yes, but this kind of up-close and personal intrusion is harassment.

[QUOTE=Apache249;44474860]Recording in public is legal, yes, but this kind of up-close and personal intrusion is harassment.[/QUOTE] By that logic, (for example) if I go up to you on the street and I follow you for a minute or less trying to get you to listen to me about something you don't care about than you could call the police and cry harrasment. Being in someones face for a short period is not harassment. I have yet to see an instance where he follows people to the point to where the person actually becomes so worried that they legit. need to call the police.

[QUOTE=Episode;44474907]By that logic, (for example) if I go up to you on the street and I follow you for a minute or less trying to get you to listen to me about something you don't care about than you could call the police and cry harrasment.[/QUOTE] i'm just curious, why defend the guy? like, what's your motive to want to argue that his actions are acceptable? i know we all understand that no matter the legality, what he's doing is creepy, and unsettling. i just want to know why you decide to stick up for him

wow i wouldn't be that pissed off if someone was recording me..

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;44474930]i'm just curious, why defend the guy? like, what's your motive to want to argue that his actions are acceptable? i know we all understand that no matter the legality, what he's doing is creepy, and unsettling. i just want to know why you decide to stick up for him[/QUOTE] Because I enjoy what he does and there are people out there who not only feel like what he does is wrong but those same people also hope for the worst for him. I have no problem with people who don't like it but most people look at him like he's a lowlife scumbag and genuinely hope for the worst for him. I just don't understand it. And when I say his actions are acceptable.. they are. Doesn't mean you have to like them, doesn't mean if someone doesn't like them then they aren't. Every single person he has put in his videos has walked away unharmed. I reason I debate this here is because people don't just think it's wrong they also have to throw shit out like "creepy stalker" "asshole" "kid has no life" *insert pic of him fat while recording someone*. But anyways I'll just leave this to rest now, tired of this.

[QUOTE=Episode;44474971]Because I enjoy what he does and there are people out there who not only feel like what he does is wrong but those same people also hope for the worst for him.[/QUOTE] Literally one person condoned taking his camera, and nobody condoned harming him. [editline]6th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Episode;44474907]By that logic, (for example) if I go up to you on the street and I follow you for a minute or less trying to get you to listen to me about something you don't care about than you could call the police and cry harrasment. Being in someones face for a short period is not harassment. I have yet to see an instance where he follows people to the point to where the person actually becomes so worried that they legit. need to call the police.[/QUOTE] 1. Context matters. He's not just in their face. He's in their face recording them. He continues to do so after repeated requests for him not to. His behavior is making them uncomfortable. He is aware of this fact and he continues his actions because that is his intention. 2. You need to stop putting words in my mouth. I never once said that they should have called the cops on him. All I said was that this was harassing behavior.