Kanye West - Bound2 - General

I like the sample(s), but other than that the cuts are distracting and I don't find Kayne to be that good of a vocalist at all. I feel like there could have been way more to make this a good piece, it has a solid foundation with those samples.

Kanye performed the song a few months ago on Jimmy Fallon with Charlie Wilson and The Roots, and it doesn't use the "Bound" sample. I actually prefer it over the studio version. [url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14iacp_kanye-west-bound-2-feat-charlie-wilson-live-jimmy-fallon-bmf_music[/url]

[QUOTE=Swiket;42983144]Kanye performed the song a few months ago on Jimmy Fallon with Charlie Wilson and The Roots, and it doesn't use the "Bound" sample. I actually prefer it over the studio version. [url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14iacp_kanye-west-bound-2-feat-charlie-wilson-live-jimmy-fallon-bmf_music[/url][/QUOTE] that's a bit better, seems more organic and that guy background singing adds a ton.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;42980318]there's not so much left in the bottom of the barrel when someone's post is "you call this """music""" hah *snorts* this is not music it is just [insert a selection of subjective adjectives]"[/QUOTE] Insults, adhominem and now strawman. You are a shining example of being open minded. I've given you my reasons why I dislike this particular song and why I'd consider it a poor attempt at music, hence the quotations. Explain to me why I'm wrong and I'll take back what I've said.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;42983692]Insults, adhominem and now strawman. You are a shining example of being open minded. I've given you my reasons why I dislike this particular song and why I'd consider it a poor attempt at music, hence the quotations. Explain to me why I'm wrong and I'll take back what I've said.[/QUOTE] your reasons are garbage also the fact that chesty called you an idiot does nothing to make his argument invalid

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;42983692]Insults, adhominem and now strawman. You are a shining example of being open minded. I've given you my reasons why I dislike this particular song and why I'd consider it a poor attempt at music, hence the quotations. Explain to me why I'm wrong and I'll take back what I've said.[/QUOTE] Literally all of the complaints you are making are subjective. It's apparent that you have no understanding of hip-hop or sampling. [editline]26th November 2013[/editline] Let the boxes do the talking.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42983079]some people on facepunch are so weird like, they don't think kanye makes bad music, [I]they think he doesn't even make music at all?????[/I][/QUOTE] it's music for sure but to me at least it sounded really awful, I mean what I heard things like this: [QUOTE]Start a Fight Club, Brad reputation[/QUOTE] and this [QUOTE]I wanna fuck you hard on the sink After that, give you something to drink Step back, can't get spunk on the mink I mean damn, what would Jeromey Romey Romey Rome think?[/QUOTE] the first thought that came to my head was that he was just fucking with us now

[QUOTE=Primigenes;42984135]Dudes just making a shit load references in the song. You just gotta remember Kanye's fetish with fucking people in the bathroom and that he's talking about Kim and some other people. He thinks she's "high quality" or some shit so he moves when he blows his load. Weird, I know and Jerome is the pimp from some comedy show on BET. Fuck If I'm going to remember that shit[/QUOTE] Believe me I get that they're references to things but it doesn't make it sound any less silly to me. I guess it's just not my thing but personally I found it kinda awkward and I just can't relate to the people taking it super seriously [editline]25th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Primigenes;42984135]I'm going to assume that everyone knows that one is a Fight Club reference[/QUOTE] yeah of course I doubt anyone here would miss that

[QUOTE=Elspin;42984152]Believe me I get that they're references to things but it doesn't make it sound any less silly to me. I guess it's just not my thing but personally I found it kinda awkward and I just can't relate to the people taking it super seriously [/QUOTE] It's kind of like if I knew a damn thing about Eminem, I'd probably enjoy the Marshall Mathers LP a lot more. Or if I knew anything about Loiter Squad and OFWGKTA I'd enjoy Tyler The Creator's newest album more than I would've without.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42982146]Ok no. I know it's opinions and everything but how can anyone think this is a good song. Please explain it to me because it sounded like such a joke.[/QUOTE] In the words of my main man Big Ghost: "“Bound 2″ - This shit is magnificent yo. Word is No ID, Rick Rubin n Heatmakerz helped make this magic happen…I mean you already kno this bout to be a problem son. I aint gon go into too much detail other than the fact that if you aint feelin this then fuck you dont read my shit b. This is magnificence in its purest form. Yeah I mean…it aint musically “PUSHIN THE BOUNDARIES” of whats possible in hip hop like “Black Skinhead” n “New Slaves” but its ENJOYABLE shit you can listen to n ENJOY…right now n not after the shit grows on you. It aint gon challenge you or open up new portals n ya mind that allow you to travel to other dimensions that exist inside of some shit like a leaf or a seashell that you can only see after you align ya chakras n meditate at the top of a hill at 4am ey’day of ya life or whatever. But you can play that shit n ENJOY it. Yeah the lyrics aint exactly some groundbreakin shit neither…its jus more of that simple ass post-Late Registration shit Kanye be doin that 17 yr old muthafuckas wit no life goals or intentions of havin careers be goin apeshit over. But ya kno what…you can listen to this shit mornin or night n still ENJOY it."

[QUOTE=Elspin;42984116]it's music for sure but to me at least it sounded really awful, I mean what I heard things like this: and this the first thought that came to my head was that he was just fucking with us now[/QUOTE] pretty much irrelevant. the words in the song =/= quality of the song, it's all about the way they're said, the listeners' interpretations, the rythm, the way they flow, etc. you can't dismiss a song because of the lyrics, i mean like, here's the lyrics to a song from one of facepunch's favorite artists [quote]Around the world, around the world Around the world, around the world Around the world, around the world Around the world, around the world Around the world, around the world Around the world, around the world Around the world, around the world Around the world, around the world [/quote] crap song, am i right? nah.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42984221]pretty much irrelevant. the words in the song =/= quality of the song, it's all about the way they're said, the listeners' interpretations, the rythm, the way they flow, etc. you can't dismiss a song because of the lyrics, i mean like, here's the lyrics to a song from one of facepunch's favorite artists crap song, am i right? nah.[/QUOTE] I think you'd be hard pressed to successfully argue lyrics dont matter. Especially in rap. Artists like Daft Punk use vocals as a form of instrumentation in themselves, they just aren't comparable. (that said I find around the world fucking annoying)

what was Bound 1?

[QUOTE=doctordarken;42949957]I think the entire thing is deeper than it seems. Everything about it seems intentional. I remember this song being off compared to the rest of the album. I still don't get why he did this though.[/QUOTE] Having listened to this song just as much as the others from the album, I haven't noticed anything about it. It's weird to see people complaining about the transition/how the song is bad when you're so used to hearing it.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;42984394]what was Bound 1?[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z9wd9bS1FM[/media]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;42983692]Insults, adhominem and now strawman. You are a shining example of being open minded. I've given you my reasons why I dislike this particular song and why I'd consider it a poor attempt at music, hence the quotations. Explain to me why I'm wrong and I'll take back what I've said.[/QUOTE] you cant make any sort of retort without searching wikipedia for fallacies can you? it's pathetic. how do you even function in the real world i can't explain why you're wrong about not liking the piece of music because it's a piece of music and no one has the right to claim anything like that. you mong [QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42982799]The rhythm just isn't there[/QUOTE] this is some top notch musical theory right here

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42982799]It's not even a song. The rhythm just isn't there. The instrumentals are just plain garbage. The lyrics are awful (I wanna fuck you over the sink and then get you a drink, really?) Kanye's delivery throughout the entire song is just awful.[/QUOTE] Yet it is a song. Amazing. [editline]26th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42982851]Uhm, what? Good retort... I guess...?[/QUOTE] Quite ironic because the retort is your logic.

[I]secret man[/I]

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;42985199]you cant make any sort of retort without searching wikipedia for fallacies can you? it's pathetic. how do you even function in the real world i can't explain why you're wrong about not liking the piece of music because it's a piece of music and no one has the right to claim anything like that. you mong this is some top notch musical theory right here[/QUOTE] Dude, you're being [b]unbelievably[/b] rude right now.

The song sounds okayish until UH-HUH HONEY After that it's bad rapping to what sounds like slowed down circus-music.

I think it's supposed to be bad on purpose?

[QUOTE=Foogooman;42986524]I think it's supposed to be bad on purpose?[/QUOTE] You never know. I mean, THIS song is not parody, it's completely serious: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZphHGHiQ5w[/media] Check out that impressive chorus.

I don't really like the lack of percussion beyond the barely audible stuff in the sample in the background, or the talking(?) in the beginning of the sample that just makes it kind of a noisy mess in my ears. It's really weird and choppy too. That live version has none of those problems

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42984221]pretty much irrelevant. the words in the song =/= quality of the song, it's all about the way they're said, the listeners' interpretations, the rythm, the way they flow, etc. you can't dismiss a song because of the lyrics, i mean like, here's the lyrics to a song from one of facepunch's favorite artists crap song, am i right? nah.[/QUOTE] It's not as simple as that, you can't just point at electronic music with a voice loop and say "look this song's lyrics are simple so lyrics do not matter". If the whole song's lyrics were "RAPE THE CHILDREN" over and over would you say that? (No I'm NOT saying the lyrics to this song are offensive like that)

Thought this was really cool, Kanye fan or not: [quote=]"Tonight, I saw Kanye West perform. I was in the first row (so to speak) of General Admission, and so I was often very, very close to Kanye. Over and over again, Kanye stood on the edge of the stage and looked into my eyes as I cried and sang along with him. But he didn't touch my hand. I didn't know why he kept coming near me, looking into my eyes, but not doing anything, since he nonchalantly and impersonally walked over to many other members of the crowd and touched their hands or high fived them. As the concert came to a close, I thought that something had to give. I hoped, deep down, that he would come over and, before he left the stage, touch my hand. But he didn't. In closing, Kanye sang Bound 2. As the song neared the final hook, I realized that I wasn't going to touch Kanye's hand. It was over. The night would still go down as the best night of my life, but I still wouldn't have touched him. I sort of halfheartedly accepted it, and, as I did for a good 95% of the concert, cried as I sang Bound 2 along with him and the rest of the crowd. But the song wasn't over yet. As the final hook came closer, Kanye came closer to the edge of the stage where I was. He knelt down and looked into my crying eyes and at my outstretched arm. Kanye West handed me his microphone. I wasn't sure what to do, and I guess I was in complete and utter shock. But he smiled at me and started mouthing the words "Bound, to falling in love." And I started singing into the microphone. And he smiled and sang with me. And then, when I was done singing the hook, I gestured to give the mic back to him. But he mouthed "keep it," smiled, and turned to leave the stage. I couldn't move, I couldn't speak, and I could barely breathe in the twenty to thirty minutes that followed. I have been a Kanye West fan for eight long years and I am proud of it. Kanye has profoundly affected me in more ways than I can count, and he will always make me think bigger, better, more deeply, more critically, more intensely, more angrily, more happily, and more acceptingly. Kanye West is a creator, a genius - he is the Michelangelo, the Ali, the Michael of our generation. Kanye West is my idol, my mentor, and my God, and that will never, ever change. Thank you, Kanye, for the best night of my life. Thank you, Kanye, for being you. The Yeezus Tour 2013. Memories made in the coldest winter."[/quote] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZ7f3AV2aw[/media]

[QUOTE=Elspin;42987349]It's not as simple as that, you can't just point at electronic music with a voice loop and say "look this song's lyrics are simple so lyrics do not matter". If the whole song's lyrics were "RAPE THE CHILDREN" over and over would you say that? (No I'm NOT saying the lyrics to this song are offensive like that)[/QUOTE] no, the point i'm trying to make is that the words in the lyrics don't mean shit. there's always some kind of meaning behind them, or [I]they just sound good.[/I] you can still have a great meaningful song that sounds good if your lyrics are offensive, like this [quote]What the fuck I look like, saying I'm sorry To a bunch of fucking fags that can't potentially harm me? I ain't never gonna bow down to your expectations By the way, I got sixty fucking Wolves that'll guard me That skate hard, Thrash black hoodies, try something Make sure your fuckin' feelings end up up in a Glad bag Fuck all your opinions, I'm tyin' 'em with a shoestring And fuck the fat lady, it's over when all the kids sing [Hook] Kill people, burn shit, fuck school I'm fuckin' radical, nigga I'm motherfuckin' radical Left, right, left, right[/quote] then later on it has this part [quote][Interlude] They want us to go to they schools and be fucking miserable at they fucking college, studying that bullshit, fuck that. Do what the fuck makes you happy, cause at the end, who's there? You [Hook] [Interlude] You hear that, nigga? That's cult shit right there, nigga. Wolf Gang! Fuck everybody else nigga! Stand for something, get money nigga! Wolf Gang in this bitch, nigga, we six feet deep. Fuck women, nigga. Odd Future, nigga. Stand the fuck up! [Interlude] I'm not saying to go out and do some stupid shit, commit crimes. What I'm trying to tell you is, do what the fuck you want. Stand for what the fuck you believe in, and don't let nobody tell you can't do what the fuck you want. I'm a fucking unicorn, and fuck anybody who say I'm not. Wolf Gang [/quote] this song sounds good and has meaning behind it, despite a lot of the lines saying "fuck you fuck women fuck everyone nigga."

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42982799]It's not even a song. The rhythm just isn't there. The instrumentals are just plain garbage. The lyrics are awful (I wanna fuck you over the sink and then get you a drink, really?) Kanye's delivery throughout the entire song is just awful.[/QUOTE] yea i know it's nowhere as good as QUEEN and THE BEATLES (thumbs up if u're a '90s kid and u get this reference) (modern pop music sux)

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42987463]no, the point i'm trying to make is that the words in the lyrics don't mean shit. there's always some kind of meaning behind them, or [I]they just sound good.[/I] you can still have a great meaningful song that sounds good if your lyrics are offensive, like this then later on it has this part this song sounds good and has meaning behind it, despite a lot of the lines saying "fuck you fuck women fuck everyone nigga."[/QUOTE] Just because it sounds good to you doesn't necessarily mean it will sound good to somebody else though, which in my case it does not. I do agree songs with offensive content can still be good of course but that wasn't my point anyway, you kinda just ignored it (or didn't get it? i don't know)

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42987463]no, the point i'm trying to make is that the words in the lyrics don't mean shit. there's always some kind of meaning behind them, or [I]they just sound good.[/I] you can still have a great meaningful song that sounds good if your lyrics are offensive, like this then later on it has this part this song sounds good and has meaning behind it, despite a lot of the lines saying "fuck you fuck women fuck everyone nigga."[/QUOTE] That's Tyler tho, it's common knowledge that he gets people with the satirical GOLF WANG FUCK SHIT track then hits you with a thoughtful song. That's his thing. People take Kanye as a completely serious, people don't allow him to have a song where he gets to bunk off lyrically.

[QUOTE=Aurora93;42987509]yea i know it's nowhere as good as QUEEN and THE BEATLES (thumbs up if u're a '90s kid and u get this reference) (modern pop music sux)[/QUOTE] You're just as bad. Why does someone always act like you only listen to classic rock or electronic if you don't like rap?