[QUOTE=Dr. Kyuros;52705673]I can say this for GradeA and a couple of other people I know: you shouldn't be putting on a facade that you simply cannot manage - it's ultimately suicidal and goes against your own true self.[/QUOTE]
The problem is it doesn't seem like it's a facade with him. He seems to genuinely be rude. Unless you meant the facade was him not being rude. I'm not sure. :s:
[QUOTE=kariko;52705835]The problem is it doesn't seem like it's a facade with him. He seems to genuinely be rude. [B]Unless you meant the facade was him not being rude.[/B] I'm not sure. :s:[/QUOTE]
That's what I was getting at and possibly his current position as he's really unfit for it.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;52702408]It's too late. People liked him because of what we thought was his shtick. Now we know it's not a shtick - [I]that's how he really is[/I]. And he's already dipped so hard into drama and said so much awful shit about a ton of people without apology.
It's basically the same thing with Maddox, unfortunately. Turns out he's not just playing around - he's actually super deluded and super into himself with no self-awareness. And these people really begin to blur into each other as they shit on their own fans, plug their ears, and blame everyone else for leaving.[/QUOTE]
Watching him fall was like watching a large tower collapse slowly.
I can't wait for the Grade v Reactor saga to continue. Reactor is the hero YouTube needs, but does not deserve.
[video=youtube;H9_6UCkxu_U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_6UCkxu_U[/video]
[QUOTE=Dr. Kyuros;52705673]I can say this for GradeA and a couple of other people I know: you shouldn't be putting on a facade that you simply cannot manage - it's ultimately suicidal and goes against your own true self.[/QUOTE]
Kind of ironic how many youtubers he himself called fake.
[QUOTE=nerdster409;52702348]Remember when he used to be good?[/QUOTE]
I never remembered such a thing.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;52707419]I can't wait for the Grade v Reactor saga to continue. Reactor is the hero YouTube needs, but does not deserve.
-snip-[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if this was posted anywhere around here, but apparently Reactor is back.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATvW-mqkKRM[/media]
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[QUOTE=wauterboi;52705578]My hypothesis is that a lot of people make content for the fun of it and expect nothing from them. Once they realize they can get a following and people will listen to them, their tone begins to shift and they gradually get bigger and bigger egos. Consider, for example, the measly topics Grade started with before taking on VeganGains, starting #MakeYouTubeGreatAgain, and then rounding it all off by pretty much saying fuck everyone on YouTube.
It's interesting to see people's takeaway from YouTube. Some people do it for the money, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Some do it for ego. Some people do it for fun.[/QUOTE]
This happens in many areas -
- Person does something they enjoy not really expecting much
- Thing blows up
- Suddenly there are expectations and they crumble under the pressure of fans to constantly up themselves
- Either that or they realize a ton of money can be made and sell out, like in this case going for the lowest hanging fruit (YT drama)
Drama isnt a sustainable business model though, and by getting so deep into it (H3H3/GradeA etc) its almost like these people become so self righteous that they don't realize they end up being massive hypocrites and contradicting themselves because they also have skeletons in their closet. They start doing videos with the premise that they are an enlightened outsider coming in destroying everyone but it doesn't take long before they are just as petty and bad as the people they are making videos about.
[QUOTE=Cushie;52710058]This happens in many areas -
- Person does something they enjoy not really expecting much
- Thing blows up
- Suddenly there are expectations and they crumble under the pressure of fans to constantly up themselves
- Either that or they realize a ton of money can be made and sell out, like in this case going for the lowest hanging fruit (YT drama)
Drama isnt a sustainable business model though, and by getting so deep into it (H3H3/GradeA etc) its almost like these people become so self righteous that they don't realize they end up being massive hypocrites and contradicting themselves because they also have skeletons in their closet. They start doing videos with the premise that they are an enlightened outsider coming in destroying everyone but it doesn't take long before they are just as petty and bad as the people they are making videos about.[/QUOTE]
The "doing thing you enjoy and it unsuspectingly blows up" happened to me. I used to make silly musical floppy drive videos all the time and suddenly one of them got hugely popular and put me on the radar for a lot of people. Overnight I gained 12k subs. I continued to do it regularly for awhile but I abruptly dropped off the grid at the beginning of the year. I just got...tired of doing it. I couldn't think of more interesting ways to vary up the formula. I wanted to add more interesting instruments but ran into some...difficulties with that.
When I finally did get around to releasing a new video it had been so long that most of my viewer base was not even notified that I uploaded a new video. Youtube really punishes you for taking a little hiatus. You have to constantly upload and basically make it a job if you want to remain relevant and keep your subscribers interested, otherwise YouTube just won't fucking inform them that you're still doing shit 4 or 5 months later. It's an all around awful system and I feel bad for anyone who got caught up into it for the purpose of making money. I didn't do it to make money, I did it because I thought it was cool that so many people out there enjoyed my content. But doing it for money...as a LIVING, is something I just can't imagine. I'd rather go actually work somewhere. It'd be easier and also be more money, probably.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;52711138]The "doing thing you enjoy and it unsuspectingly blows up" happened to me. I used to make silly musical floppy drive videos all the time and suddenly one of them got hugely popular and put me on the radar for a lot of people. Overnight I gained 12k subs. I continued to do it regularly for awhile but I abruptly dropped off the grid at the beginning of the year. I just got...tired of doing it. I couldn't think of more interesting ways to vary up the formula. I wanted to add more interesting instruments but ran into some...difficulties with that.
When I finally did get around to releasing a new video it had been so long that most of my viewer base was not even notified that I uploaded a new video. Youtube really punishes you for taking a little hiatus. You have to constantly upload and basically make it a job if you want to remain relevant and keep your subscribers interested, otherwise YouTube just won't fucking inform them that you're still doing shit 4 or 5 months later. It's an all around awful system and I feel bad for anyone who got caught up into it for the purpose of making money. I didn't do it to make money, I did it because I thought it was cool that so many people out there enjoyed my content. But doing it for money...as a LIVING, is something I just can't imagine. I'd rather go actually work somewhere. It'd be easier and also be more money, probably.[/QUOTE]
I can feel for the creators if Youtube pulls shit like that. Having to constantly put out new and interesting content with the fear that nobody will see it if you aren't fast enough sounds absolutely horrible.
[QUOTE=kariko;52711341]I can feel for the creators if Youtube pulls shit like that. Having to constantly put out new and interesting content with the fear that nobody will see it if you aren't fast enough sounds absolutely horrible.[/QUOTE]
Quantity (as in "eh, good enough" short clickbait garbage) over quality (less frequent but higher quality and longer videos) is Youtubes M.O. ever since they changed their monetization model.
Essentially punishing people who make educational videos but encourages the outrage & drama trend, so it's turning into the crap we see on TV nowadays.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
[QUOTE=kariko;52711341]I can feel for the creators if Youtube pulls shit like that. Having to constantly put out new and interesting content with the fear that nobody will see it if you aren't fast enough sounds absolutely horrible.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's ridiculous. I know I still have people who are going "holy shit that guy must have died" because in my last few videos I mentioned continuing work on a musical tesla coil. Really I'm just hammering out a lot of back end work to get a ton of recordings in over time. In two more months it'll be a year from when I last had a regular upload schedule, so I'm hoping to get back into the groove of things then by having a bunch of uploads ready to go out and release on a weekly basis.
The more informative and educational channels get somewhat of a pass from this harsh system. YouTube's recommendation algorithms give preferential treatment to videos longer than 10 minutes, specifically because they are more likely to be monetized and carry a larger number of ad space with them. More ads on the video, more potential clicks with the more views it carries. That's why as of the last year, seemingly out of nowhere, all of these somewhat long 10+ minute videos from years ago started getting recommended to people. The system does not really care about recent, relevant uploads and content. The algorithms changed with what they recommend. This is also why channels such as Kurzgesagt and Vsauce manage to maintain their subscriber base. Their videos are almost always longer than 10 minutes and they already have large subscriber bases. They never really "fall off the grid" so to speak like smaller channels that upload shorter videos.
The likelihood of recommendations also comes down to the initial popularity of the video. A video with 20,000 views that's over 10 minutes in length and has confirmed monetization probably won't be pushed hard. But if it's closer to 100,000 views already, it will start to show up in recommended feeds outside of the initial uploader's subscriber base, and also outside of the expected category the video is in. Ever wonder why you get recommended a 6 year old video of a guy playing the piano in an airport when you haven't even looked at any videos relating to music at all, ever? That's how. It gains enough traction to break from that bubble and show up outside of where it really should be.
There's nothing inherently wrong with that, I actually greatly approve of that system because it allows people who would otherwise not see a video to most likely see it. What I disagree with is the preferential treatment. If your videos are less than 10 minutes in length and you aren't already hugely popular, the only way you'll break from that bubble is to get tons of likes. That's why all of those shill clickbait shit Youtubers demand you to like the video before even watching it, it pleases the YouTube algorithms.
All around, there are a lot of really fucky things with the system. Parts of it are amazing, and parts of it should not exist.
I love youtube drama but GAUA is a twat about it tbh
[QUOTE=haloguy234;52711138]The "doing thing you enjoy and it unsuspectingly blows up" happened to me. I used to make silly musical floppy drive videos all the time and suddenly one of them got hugely popular and put me on the radar for a lot of people. Overnight I gained 12k subs. I continued to do it regularly for awhile but I abruptly dropped off the grid at the beginning of the year. I just got...tired of doing it. I couldn't think of more interesting ways to vary up the formula. I wanted to add more interesting instruments but ran into some...difficulties with that.
When I finally did get around to releasing a new video it had been so long that most of my viewer base was not even notified that I uploaded a new video. Youtube really punishes you for taking a little hiatus. You have to constantly upload and basically make it a job if you want to remain relevant and keep your subscribers interested, otherwise YouTube just won't fucking inform them that you're still doing shit 4 or 5 months later. It's an all around awful system and I feel bad for anyone who got caught up into it for the purpose of making money. I didn't do it to make money, I did it because I thought it was cool that so many people out there enjoyed my content. But doing it for money...as a LIVING, is something I just can't imagine. I'd rather go actually work somewhere. It'd be easier and also be more money, probably.[/QUOTE]
Do you mean the video doesn't appear in /feed/subscriptions or just notifications that "actively" notify you? I follow a lot of youtubers who upload once in a million years and I would never want to miss a video.
[QUOTE=notbarnik;52712598]Do you mean the video doesn't appear in /feed/subscriptions or just notifications that "actively" notify you? I follow a lot of youtubers who upload once in a million years and I would never want to miss a video.[/QUOTE]
Active notifications. They still show up in the subscription feed if you bother to check it, but unless you look you'll never see it. If a regular upload schedule is maintained, then your subscribers who have notifications enabled will receive them on every* new upload. If you break from that schedule for even a few weeks, many of your subscribers will stop receiving active notifications even if they've enabled them for your content.
The notification system works in a really stupid way. Let's say you have notifications enabled for someone who uploads every day. You just clicked the bell on one of their videos a day ago. You will be notified when they upload a new video. Let's say you don't watch it, you just ignore the notification. You'll get another notification of their next upload. Let's say you ignore that one too. Well, on the next one you probably won't be told at all, and it will stay that way until you go back and watch their content.
I stopped watching much of colinfurze and recently started watching a couple of his videos. Bam, now I'm getting notified of his uploads. I've been subbed to him for a couple of years now.
I understand why this system works like this. It'd be annoying to be constantly pestered every time someone uploaded a video, especially if you have upwards of 100 subs you want to keep up with. But that's what the point of the bell is...to let you control who you want to keep tabs on. Now apply this model to someone who uploads once every 5 or 6 months. Unless you happen to be watching one of their videos by the the time they are close to releasing a new one, you will not be automatically notified of the upload unless you go and check for it. I know this is how the system works because I've witnessed it first hand, both as a subscriber and with my own subscriber base. When I kept a semi-regular upload schedule (new video every couple of weeks) I had a fairly consistent number of views that would accrue over the course of a few days. On my last upload, which had about a 5 month gap, barely broke 1,000 views in two weeks. That's because Youtube neglected to tell my subscribers "Hey! This guy uploaded a new video!"
Yeah, to deal with youtube's shitty home feed system, I just made my bookmark the subscription feed specifically so it only shows just videos from the people I subscribe to, and all of their videos as well.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;52704100]Maddox-[/QUOTE]
I love listening to The Best Debate in the Universe but I also noticed around the time of his first bonus episode he never mentioned a "brand" again. I've also called up and left some voicemails (some of which were played during the domino's pizza argument) but had no idea all of this shit was happening.
I'm also starting to think his "5 million download" thing he says at the beginning of every episode is false because while I do think the show is """popular""" you hardly see too much community interaction on the Facebook page.
Yeah his Madcast media thing is also not that good. Podawful is really awful and the whole "finding fresh, good content" has not been working. Gamefart looks like a total joke
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