[QUOTE=SHITBULLET;41858785]My head is spinning trying to understand how such a discussion could go beyond 7 pages when it could be summed up by
"there should be a warning about rape in the game"
"the ratings already do this, there's a sexual violence warning on the box"
"but it'd be nice you know"
"but it's already there look here"
"but it'd be nice you know"
"vedicardi go away"
Vedi, we get your point that it'd be nice to add an extra warning
it's not needed though since there are systems in place that allow a customer to look at a game's box and see whether or not it has sexual/violent/drugs/sexual violence in it at a glance - adding an extra warning when starting up the game is moronic
So you bought the game then start it up, see the warning and go "oh shit wait I don't actually want this"? In that case you fucked up as a customer by completely ignoring the systems in place and buying a product with no research into it[/QUOTE]
yeah you fucked up, but fucking up and not reading the warnings outside of the game is FAR better than being fucking triggered.
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[QUOTE=Reds;41858814]Because Verdicardi will not shut the fuck up, and then will go something like "oh wow you told me to go away great job" and continue to shitpost.
[sp]Warning to Verdicardi: immediately saying it isn't clever.[/sp][/QUOTE]
spell my name right you dumby
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858797]like i said, yes it's a decent idea in theory and it'd be nice, but as it stands it's a factor that literally has no reason to be looked at.
By looking at the fear of ptsd triggers, you're ignoring things that are equally as pressing in the industry such as "video games causing people cutting cigarettes to come back to them cause of the characters smoking" (aka a non-existent problem as of date)[/QUOTE]
esrb does list "drug and tobacco use" so that is actually a thing.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858816]
spell my name right you dumby[/QUOTE]
Dumby is not a word. Please vacate the thread.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858809]i bought bioshock infinite without reading reviews, without checking press, without watching a single trailer, because i knew who made it and i trust them. same with company of heroes 2, guild wars 2, and red orchestra 2, and many more games. i dont think that was a mistake. that is ridiculous. i, personally, have never been screwed over doing that. i think that is a silly mindset
who exactly is this non-existant group? what? it is far safer to put the warning than to just go forward with it and let people get triggered. why would you take that risk? what is the gain?
the reason they should anticipate it causing harm to these victims causing a health issue is because it is a well known issue across all media and part of why most games avoid the topic at all[/QUOTE]
that's not why people avoid putting rape in games at all what are you on
the biggest reason is the fact that unless implemented REALLY carefully and thoughtfully as a plot device, you're gonna get branded as creating something trashy and tasteless
i can make up my own words don't tell me what to do
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858816]yeah you fucked up, but fucking up and not reading the warnings outside of the game is FAR better than being fucking triggered.
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
spell my name right you dumby
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
esrb does list "drug and tobacco use" so that is actually a thing.[/QUOTE]
yes, and esrb lists "Sexual Violence"
so you just fucking disproved anything you said right there
the funny part is i agree its not needed and ive said that many times, somehow people skip over that part.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858830]i can make up my own words don't tell me what to do[/QUOTE]
Sure I can, and I can tell you that your argument had degraded into shit by about the second or third page. Just shut up already.
then stop posting about it
if you know that it's not needed then the chat is over, let someone else post about it and you back out so you don't look like the idiot who perpetuated a thread for 7 pages
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858835]yes, and esrb lists "Sexual Violence"
so you just fucking disproved anything you said right there[/QUOTE]
i was just saying it is in fact an issue
oh well. don't really see how you can compare smoking and being trauma from being raped but whatever
perhaps you haven't been reading
im comparing the group of "have been raped and then triggered by video games" to the group of "people who used to smoke who picked it back up because of video games" in size
aka 0 people as of now
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858843]then stop posting about it
if you know that it's not needed then the chat is over, let someone else post about it and you back out so you don't look like the idiot who perpetuated a thread for 7 pages[/QUOTE]
uhh but people are posting as if I don't agree with these things, like "i dont get it" when the fact is i do in fact see where you are coming from, and completely agree. i still have not had anyone tell me why it would be a bad thing to add a small warning. i know you dont need to, but there is no harm. literally here argument proposed on the previous page
"adding an extra warning when starting up the game is moronic"
and people are saying my "argument" has degraded into shit? lol. try making a point.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858879]uhh but people are posting as if I don't agree with these things, like "i dont get it" when the fact is i do in fact see where you are coming from, and completely agree. i still have not had anyone tell me why it would be a bad thing to add a small warning. i know you dont need to, but there is no harm. literally here argument proposed on the previous page
"adding an extra warning when starting up the game is moronic"
and people are saying my "argument" has degraded into shit? lol. try making a point.[/QUOTE]
It's like arguing with a very talkative rock that isn't very good at grammar.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858868]perhaps you haven't been reading
im comparing the group of "have been raped and then triggered by video games" to the group of "people who used to smoke who picked it back up because of video games" in size
aka 0 people as of now[/QUOTE]
well i'd love to see where you're getting your numbers, but alright.
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Reds;41858883]It's like arguing with a very talkative rock that isn't very good at grammar.[/QUOTE]
what are you contributing to this thread?
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858816]yeah you fucked up, but fucking up and not reading the warnings outside of the game is FAR better than being fucking triggered.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but if you fucked up by ignoring the very thing that is supposed to protect you from being triggered then YOU fucked up. That's how things work.
That responsibility lies with the consumer NOT with the developers, they shouldn't have to, and in fact don't have to, handhold you if there are things already there for you to look at right on the box/store page
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858879]uhh but people are posting as if I don't agree with these things, like "i dont get it" when the fact is i do in fact see where you are coming from, and completely agree. i still have not had anyone tell me why it would be a bad thing to add a small warning. i know you dont need to, but there is no harm. literally here argument proposed on the previous page
"adding an extra warning when starting up the game is moronic"
and people are saying my "argument" has degraded into shit? lol. try making a point.[/QUOTE]
Because like I said, accounting for rape victims getting triggered means you'd be massive hypocrites if you didn't then include war vets, then people who stopped smoking in games that involve smoking, etc.
because there are literally 0 cases of any of those 3 things being an issue ever, as a developer why would i ever think "lets add a rape warning" and then ignore all the other menial things that my game may include
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858886]
what are you contributing to this thread?[/QUOTE]
Certainly more than you've been.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858886]well i'd love to see where you're getting your numbers, but alright.
[[/QUOTE]
Seeing as this whole time I've been hunting down cases of PTSD triggered by video games, I can safely say there are no recorded problems.
[QUOTE=SHITBULLET;41858896]Sorry but if you fucked up by ignoring the very thing that is supposed to protect you from being triggered then YOU fucked up. That's how things work.
That responsibility lies with the consumer NOT with the developers, they shouldn't have to, and in fact don't have to, handhold you if there are things already there for you to look at right on the box/store page[/QUOTE]
mhm, i agree they fucked up. i agree they should check the esrb. dunno why you are stating those things because I have already agreed to them. so, what is the harm in adding another warning?
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Reds;41858900]Certainly more than you've been.[/QUOTE]
im gonna cry
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858908]mhm, i agree they fucked up. i agree they should check the esrb. dunno why you are stating those things because I have already agreed to them. so, what is the harm in adding another warning?
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
im gonna cry[/QUOTE]
You're suggesting that a warning is created for a non-existent issue because you personally think it could become a problem at some undefined point in the future
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858908]mhm, i agree they fucked up. i agree they should check the esrb. dunno why you are stating those things because I have already agreed to them. so, what is the harm in adding another warning?
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
im gonna cry[/QUOTE]
Because there are already warnings in place...? as we've stated for 8 pages now...?
I really don't get why you keep hammering this point home, there are warnings already there - adding another one is redundant and is something developers don't need to do
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858897]Because like I said, accounting for rape victims getting triggered means you'd be massive hypocrites if you didn't then include war vets, then people who stopped smoking in games that involve smoking, etc.
because there are literally 0 cases of any of those 3 things being an issue ever, as a developer why would i ever think "lets add a rape warning" and then ignore all the other menial things that my game may include[/QUOTE]
a rape warning is not menial, that is the underlying mindset and belief behind the people arguing against this. you all really think that being triggered as a rape victim is comparable to being triggered into relapsing back into smoking. i'll avoid the war vet thing because ive explained that countless times.
finally
[quote]The non-profit group Stay Strong Nation is dedicated to raising awareness about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (referred to by the group as simply PTS) and Traumatic Brain Injury. In doing so, it is not alone, but its work on the island of Hawaii is somewhat unique when many in America are focused on the contiguous 48 states. According to the official website, the group’s primary goal outside of raising general awareness of the issue, is raising funds for a treatment facility - as well as being actively engaged in research.
That research has apparently implicated Activision’s Call of Duty: Black Ops. According to a press release given to HULIQ News, the group mentions the risk violent games pose to children - and the press attention given that issue over the years - but that the risk posed to veterans suffering from PTSD is an overlooked issue. The simulation aspects of the game can serve as “angerous and sometimes volatile triggers for veterans suffering from PTS.”
Among the best-selling video games during 2010, Call of Duty: Black Ops is engineered as a real-life simulation of war-like scenarios based in different combat zones. It’s been reported that violent video games may pose a danger to children, but often lost in that conversation are the millions of veterans who lived the real thing and today are left trying to put their lives back together.
Experts at Stay Strong Nation say the bigger danger resides within veterans who have PTS but fail to admit or identify the symptoms. “The scariest part of PTS is when a veteran experiences symptoms such as flashbacks, or feelings of panic and depression, yet unknowingly brushes it under a blanket of machismo,” said Gresford Lewishall, vice president of the organization. “Veterans either play or have exposure to the games and subsequently feel like they’re back in Afghanistan or Iraq in life or death situations. Their heart beat accelerates and they feel a sense of unease come over them.”
Veterans coping with PTS/TBI endure daily reminders, often unintentional by most Americans, that serve as triggers causing emotional flashbacks that are sometimes severe. Games like Call of Duty: Black Ops act as a trigger whereby veterans think back to the realities of some of war’s darkest moments, from a blown out tire on a jeep to carrying a deceased fellow soldier back from enemy territory.
Stay Strong Nation urges all veterans to realize the inherent dangers involved in playing or having exposure to war-simulation video games.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858908]mhm, i agree they fucked up. i agree they should check the esrb. dunno why you are stating those things because I have already agreed to them. so, what is the harm in adding another warning?[/QUOTE]
Some people get seizures from a game so they put a seizure warning on the game. This is a known occurrence with many cases that makes it important enough to warrant doing so.
There's not one case of what you're claiming warrants a mention on the game. Like I said five or so pages ago, you think it should be there because maybe there's a chance that in your opinion there might potentially be a chance that a rape victim, which is generally not a large group for a game, could possibly get triggered by a depiction of rape, in Hotline Miami's art style.
There are literally no cases of something like this ever happening. Perhaps if it did, then there'd be an explicit warning. And there's already a warning for the exact thing you're asking for, which has been stated over and over.
Stop posting.
[QUOTE=SHITBULLET;41858928]Because there are already warnings in place...? as we've stated for 8 pages now...?
I really don't get why you keep hammering this point home, there are warnings already there - adding another one is redundant and is something developers don't need to do[/QUOTE]
it could be seen as redundant, but at the same time it could stop someone from having a PTSD episode. which is worse? being "redundant" or preventing PTSD episodes? I think the answer is pretty obvious
also where are the people complaining about nintendo wii simply asking you to stand up and walk around once an hour? lol.
Are you trying to get a last word? Are you just going to keep going until everyone gives up and gets tired of arguing with a moron and you declare yourself the winner?
[QUOTE=Reds;41858935]Some people get seizures from a game so they put a seizure warning on the game. This is a known occurrence with many cases that makes it important enough to warrant doing so.
There's not one case of what you're claiming warrants a mention on the game. Like I said five or so pages ago, you think it should be there because maybe there's a chance that in your opinion there might potentially be a chance that a rape victim, which is generally not a large group for a game, could possibly get triggered by a depiction of rape, in Hotline Miami's art style.
There are literally no cases of something like this ever happening. Perhaps if it did, then there'd be an explicit warning. And there's already a warning for the exact thing you're asking for, which has been stated over and over.
Stop posting.[/QUOTE]
there's an example right above ya buddy
it's going to stop a whole 0 people who have ever been triggered by video games from being triggered
[QUOTE=Reds;41858939]Are you trying to get a last word? Are you just going to keep going until everyone gives up and gets tired of arguing with a moron and you declare yourself the winner?[/QUOTE]
well it'd be nice if you argued my points instead of continuously saying "stop posting" and "you're dumb" like that is going to deter me from voicing my opinion somehow? i dont get how attacking me personally in any way contributes to this conversation.
this isnt a "fight". there are no winners. this is an internet forum. i think you should re-evaluate what you are doing here
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858942]there's an example right above ya buddy[/QUOTE]
No, that's not an example. That's not even close to an example. [I]That is not in the slightest bit anything resembling an example.[/I]
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858943]it's going to stop a whole 0 people who have ever been triggered by video games from being triggered[/QUOTE]
alright, i guess if that's what you need to tell yourself. just because, as far as you are aware, it hasnt happened (despite it explictly happening with COD as seen above) btw that COD article took 10 seconds to find)) doesn't mean it never will and is not something you should be cautious about. if it was a non-issue, why would the esrb worry about it?
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858947]well it'd be nice if you argued my points instead of continuously saying "stop posting" and "you're dumb" like that is going to deter me from voicing my opinion somehow? i dont get how attacking me personally in any way contributes to this conversation.
this isnt a "fight". there are no winners. this is an internet forum. i think you should re-evaluate what you are doing here[/QUOTE]
Then what are you doing here? What do you hope to accomplish?
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