[QUOTE=Reds;41858954]No, that's not an example. That's not even close to an example. [I]That is not in the slightest bit anything resembling an example.[/I][/QUOTE]
and then he explained his point
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858947]well it'd be nice if you argued my points instead of continuously saying "stop posting" and "you're dumb" like that is going to deter me from voicing my opinion somehow? i dont get how attacking me personally in any way contributes to this conversation.
this isnt a "fight". there are no winners. this is an internet forum. i think you should re-evaluate what you are doing here[/QUOTE]
a holier-than-thou attitude just labels you as a social inept on this forum, to mention.
You're saying that a warning should exist for this while there are no recorded incidents of this happening.
[QUOTE=Reds;41858959]Then what are you doing here? What do you hope to accomplish?[/QUOTE]
just trying to have a discussion buddy how about you
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858962]and then he explained his point[/QUOTE]
You post pretty quickly, it reflects on the quality of your posts.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858937]it could be seen as redundant, but at the same time it could stop someone from having a PTSD episode. which is worse? being "redundant" or preventing PTSD episodes? I think the answer is pretty obvious
also where are the people complaining about nintendo wii simply asking you to stand up and walk around once an hour? lol.[/QUOTE]
I'm all for preventing episodes from happening, I'm on your side there, but at the same time people prone to problems like that have a personal responsibility to check things for triggers (which is easy thanks to the ratings)
If you're prone to triggers like the ones discussed here then you're going to check ratings and if you see something like "sexual violence" on it then you're just going to back off - there is no problem here
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858967]just trying to have a discussion buddy how about you[/QUOTE]
It must be chilly up on that pedestal you've put yourself on.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858958]alright, i guess if that's what you need to tell yourself. just because, as far as you are aware, it hasnt happened (despite it explictly happening with COD as seen above) btw that COD article took 10 seconds to find)) doesn't mean it never will and is not something you should be cautious about. if it was a non-issue, why would the esrb worry about it?[/QUOTE]
If you seriously consider that PTSD being triggered, perhaps you don't know what that really entails. That article brings up a very standard feeling of adrenaline that most of us feel while playing any sort of high speed action game.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858916]You're suggesting that a warning is created for a non-existent issue because you personally think it could become a problem at some undefined point in the future[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of the old story about the warning "Do not attempt to stop chainsaw with your hands or genitals" and you wonder whether it was precautionary or it actually happened.[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858929]a rape warning is not menial, that is the underlying mindset and belief behind the people arguing against this. you all really think that being triggered as a rape victim is comparable to being triggered into relapsing back into smoking. i'll avoid the war vet thing because ive explained that countless times.
finally[/QUOTE]
And to both them and rape victims I would say the same thing, if you encounter severe triggers which cause this kind of thing then it is obviously affecting your wellbeing and you should seek counselling. We can't put safety labels on everything and you can hardly expect everyone to automatically accommodate you so seek help and put the pieces back together.
Isn't that what your article is about, soldiers who don't accept or realise they have PTSD symptoms not seeking help rather than getting people to wear trigger warning signs?
We can't just avoid all things that could potentially make someone upset.
Everyone needs the find strength to get over things, whether it was a death, breakup, abuse, rape, emotional abuse, ect. The rest of society can't just be sheltered from these things. Also, usually there are warnings anyways right in the ESRB like (blood/gore sexual violence ect)
haven't read a lot of this huge thread so this might have been said before... just my 0.02
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858965]a holier-than-thou attitude just labels you as a social inept on this forum, to mention.
You're saying that a warning should exist for this while there are no recorded incidents of this happening.[/QUOTE]
any such attitudes you are projecting. i do not think i am better than any of you so i dont have any idea where you are getting that. i have resisted insulting any of you (excluding the guy that was saying "rape victims are the problem" etc) though I may have mocked when I was being insulted.
regardless, when the car was first invented, did they not provide any warnings for the driver? It's a new form of media and it is growing and expanding to larger and larger audiences. this is an inevitability. there was a time we did not know what could trigger ptsd for war vets, or that it even EXISTED! now we do! things change.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;41859004]We can't just avoid all things that could potentially make someone upset.
Everyone needs the find strength to get over things, whether it was a death, breakup, abuse, rape, emotional abuse, ect. The rest of society can't just be sheltered from these things. Also, usually there are warnings anyways right in the ESRB like (blood/gore sexual violence ect)[/QUOTE]
implying that rape is something can be simply "got over"
[QUOTE=Devodiere;41858987]Reminds me of the old story about the warning "Do not attempt to stop chainsaw with your hands or genitals" and you wonder whether it was precautionary or it actually happened.
And to both them and rape victims I would say the same thing, if you encounter severe triggers which cause this kind of thing then it is obviously affecting your wellbeing and you should seek counselling. We can't put safety labels on everything and you can hardly expect everyone to automatically accommodate you so seek help and put the pieces back together.
Isn't that what your article is about, soldiers who don't accept or realise they have PTSD symptoms not seeking help rather than getting people to wear trigger warning signs?[/QUOTE]
well no it is more about how they dont even realize they are being triggered or don't correlate it with what they are doing. it can still have longer term damaging effects
i can't wait for hotline miami 2
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858978]If you seriously consider that PTSD being triggered, perhaps you don't know what that really entails. That article brings up a very standard feeling of adrenaline that most of us feel while playing any sort of high speed action game.[/QUOTE]
you do not know more about PTSD than a group dedicated to raising awareness about it.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41859009]any such attitudes you are projecting. i do not think i am better than any of you so i dont have any idea where you are getting that. i have resisted insulting any of you (excluding the guy that was saying "rape victims are the problem" etc) though I may have mocked when I was being insulted.
regardless, when the car was first invented, did they not provide any warnings for the driver? It's a new form of media and it is growing and expanding to larger and larger audiences. this is an inevitability. there was a time we did not know what could trigger ptsd for war vets, or that it even EXISTED! now we do! things change.[/QUOTE]
yeah, and people also didn't know that hot coffee was hot and sued for it.
You have use even a little bit of common sense when doing anything. If you're a war vet and you're about to play a WAR game then... okay, expect to get a trigger. same if you're going to play a M-rated game about shooting people and stuff, just assume there will be more sensitive and mature/emotional content.
except video games already encompass a huge mass and such we already have a warning system to protect people.
sexual violence in games is nothing new, it's just not -frequent-
it doesn't harm anyone but people who get up in arms about it because "omg this can hurt someone" (which it never has)
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;41859021]i can't wait for hotline miami 2[/QUOTE]
I like how they made the Fans, it should be interesting to see how they handle them as the story progresses. Wonder if Jacket'll show up at any point.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;41859031]yeah, and people also didn't know that hot coffee was hot and sued for it.
You have use even a little bit of common sense when doing anything. If you're a war vet and you;re about to play a WAR game then expect shit, same if you're going to play a M-rated game about shooting people and stuff, just assume there will be more sensitive and mature/emotional content.[/QUOTE]
my point far back in the thread is rape is not expected in violent videogames as it is a rare occurance so that is not expected at all. it is very different. feel free to read the thread for more.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41859039]my point far back in the thread is rape is not expected in violent videogames as it is a rare occurance so that is not expected at all. it is very different. feel free to read the thread for more.[/QUOTE]
I read the thread. It wasn't a fun experience.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41859026]you do not know more about PTSD than a group dedicated to raising awareness about it.[/QUOTE]
nor do you, and that group is very obviously about helping people who didn't know they had issues and you pin it as "it's to stop video games from triggering people"
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
still 0 cases of PTSD triggered by video games
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41859032]except video games already encompass a huge mass and such we already have a warning system to protect people.
sexual violence in games is nothing new, it's just not -frequent-
it doesn't harm anyone but people who get up in arms about it because "omg this can hurt someone" (which it never has)[/QUOTE]
it is not new necessarily but certainly among the expanding female demographic it is.
and to say it doesnt harm anyone is very misguided. imagine how horrifying it would be to see a film where it is just a standard romance or something and then in the middle of it someone gets raped. imagine seeing that as a rape victim. that will harm them. that very same thing can/could happen with this game.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41859020]well no it is more about how they dont even realize they are being triggered or don't correlate it with what they are doing. it can still have longer term damaging effects[/QUOTE]
People who do not correlate symptoms with what they are doing are people who are unaware of their trigger and having a trigger warning will be as meaningless to them as any other person. People who do not realise they are being triggered either fall into the previous category or likely do not have any major impact on their wellbeing from it.
So the only concern is this long term damage you say is caused, which is a mystery to me as to how it differs from the argument that video game violence causes violence, could you elaborate on that?
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41859042]nor do you, and that group is very obviously about helping people who didn't know they had issues and you pin it as "it's to stop video games from triggering people"
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
still 0 cases of PTSD triggered by video games[/QUOTE]
you did not read the article, because it clearly states those people do have PTSD and are trying to cover it up or are not aware that is the game causing it/making it worse. in that very article it states those games are triggering ptsd symptoms.
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Devodiere;41859050]People who do not correlate symptoms with what they are doing are people who are unaware of their trigger and having a trigger warning will be as meaningless to them as any other person. People who do not realise they are being triggered either fall into the previous category or likely do not have any major impact on their wellbeing from it.
So the only concern is this long term damage you say is caused, which is a mystery to me as to how it differs from the argument that video game violence causes violence, could you elaborate on that?[/QUOTE]
it is not meaningless because it has long term damaging effects. it also says for some of those people they had SEVERE effects but just did not talk about them because of "machismo". you as well should reread that article.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41859049]it is not new necessarily but certainly among the expanding female demographic it is.
and to say it doesnt harm anyone is very misguided. imagine how horrifying it would be to see a film where it is just a standard romance or something and then in the middle of it someone gets raped. imagine seeing that as a rape victim. that will harm them. that very same thing can/could happen with this game.[/QUOTE]
if you can prove it's ever harmed anyone (aside from that article you posted which is the pure embodiment of sidestepping) then I'll take it back, but for now games have caused to harm PTSD wise
to elaborate on the last point, when I say long term damage, I am not referring to "videogames causing violence at all." that is a very, very different topic. I am referring to it further pushing them backwards in their efforts to combat this PTSD, to minimize it, to "treat" it, effectively, as one would. If you are putting you situation where you experience severe PTSD, it will obviously slow your progress in minimizing and handling it.
Hell I've seen more articles on video games helping treat PTSD victims then being triggered by them
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41859074]if you can prove it's ever harmed anyone (aside from that article you posted which is the pure embodiment of sidestepping) then I'll take it back, but for now games have caused to harm PTSD wise[/QUOTE]
how is that article sidestepping? I don't get that at all.
here is another CoD related PTSD article that goes over the exact same points, if it helps
[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/vets-warn-soldiers-ptsd-avoid-war-games-125242[/url]
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
here are articles on NON-WAR games helping vets with ptsd
[url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90858431[/url]
[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/science/virtual-haven-set-combat-vets-6C10403499?franchiseSlug=sciencemain[/url]
linked through from the article i just posted
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41859062]it is not meaningless because it has long term damaging effects. it also says for some of those people they had SEVERE effects but just did not talk about them because of "machismo". you as well should reread that article.[/QUOTE]
But people not seeking help because of machismo or any reason isn't going to be helped by a trigger warning because they ignore it claiming it isn't a problem. It is meaningless to the person who will be triggered just as much as it is to any person. And if they knowingly have this issue and go ahead with it, the answer isn't to accommodate it, it is for them to seek help so it isn't an issue any longer.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;41859107]But people not seeking help because of machismo or any reason isn't going to be helped by a trigger warning because they ignore it claiming it isn't a problem. It is meaningless to the person who will be triggered just as much as it is to any person. And if they knowingly have this issue and go ahead with it, the answer isn't to accommodate it, it is for them to seek help so it isn't an issue any longer.[/QUOTE]
well for someone unaware that the game is causing ptsd to see something that says "this game depicts x and x and could possibly trigger ptsd", it could be a wake up call
obviously with depictions of rape, that is a whole different story.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41859092]how is that article sidestepping? I don't get that at all.
here is another CoD related PTSD article that goes over the exact same points, if it helps
[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/vets-warn-soldiers-ptsd-avoid-war-games-125242[/url]
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
here are articles on NON-WAR games helping vets with ptsd
[url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90858431[/url]
[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/science/virtual-haven-set-combat-vets-6C10403499?franchiseSlug=sciencemain[/url]
linked through from the article i just posted[/QUOTE]
you do know that Virtual Iraq is a simulation of the war right
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