[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41858097]No, it's more like "fuck those people, I'm doing everyone else a favor by NOT making that annoying screen those 100 people want"[/QUOTE]
the problem with this train of thought is that the "everyone else" you mention doesn't want the screen because it's slightly annoying, the other people want it because they might have a severe panic attack if it's not there
The ESRB usually covers that, but most indie games don't have ESRB ratings, and sometimes it might be inaccurate
Why is it so bad to wait a few extra seconds to play a game if those few extra seconds might prevent someone from having a traumatic panic attack?
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858167]and the cycle continues[/QUOTE]
what cycle
all i've seen is people saying "Yeah it's dumb that people wanna censor media" and you getting up in arms saying "but what about my rape triggers"
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
i mean the way to kill the cycle is to stop making retarded posts that go against the concept of integrity as a whole
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858180]what cycle
all i've seen is people saying "Yeah it's dumb that people wanna censor media" and you getting up in arms saying "but what about my rape triggers"[/QUOTE]
but did you read the posts. did you read the thread, because we address literally exactly what you posted as what you posted had already been said by at least 3 other people!
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
having a warning = no integrity? remove the esrb warning while we are at it.
"It is a problem and shouldn't be taken lightly, just because there's some catch-all rating system. Having a warning at the start of the game wouldn't detract from the artistic integrity at all. I mean, we have pre-game warnings about flashing lights inducing seizures, why not have a trigger warning at the start?"
or you can adhere to how the industry has worked since almost the beginning and read the neat little black and while square on the back of the box
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;41858178]the problem with this train of thought is that the every else you mention doesn't want the screen because it's slightly annoying, the other people want it because they might have a severe panic attack if it's not there
The ESRB usually covers that, but most indie games don't have ESRB ratings, and sometimes it might be inaccurate
Why is it so bad to wait a few extra seconds to play a game if those few extra seconds might prevent someone from having a traumatic panic attack?[/QUOTE]
For the same reason you don't want to walk through some incredibly overblown airport security checkups just because there is a small chance that someone may at one point try to bring a bomb in.
why should i have to put repeated warnings on my product because people cba to take the five seconds out of their personal time to read the very well known warning label
hell when i look at games for myself i still read it just so i know "oh wow this game has like lots of gore? did not know that!"
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858194]"It is a problem and shouldn't be taken lightly, just because there's some catch-all rating system. Having a warning at the start of the game wouldn't detract from the artistic integrity at all. I mean, we have pre-game warnings about flashing lights inducing seizures, why not have a trigger warning at the start?"
or you can adhere to how the industry has worked since almost the beginning and read the neat little black and while square on the back of the box[/QUOTE]
yeah, and if they dont want to have epilepsy attacks, they shouldn't be playing video games! remove that warning too and just not have any warnings, just like the old days.
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;41858178]the problem with this train of thought is that the every else you mention doesn't want the screen because it's slightly annoying, the other people want it because they might have a severe panic attack if it's not there
The ESRB usually covers that, but most indie games don't have ESRB ratings, and sometimes it might be inaccurate
Why is it so bad to wait a few extra seconds to play a game if those few extra seconds might prevent someone from having a traumatic panic attack?[/QUOTE]
Why is it my problem if someone has a traumatic panic attack over a video game?
[QUOTE=elowin;41858195]For the same reason you don't want to walk through some incredibly overblown airport security checkups just because there is a small chance that someone may at one point try to bring a bomb in.[/QUOTE]
the difference being, the splash screen takes LITERALLY SECONDS
THE TIME IT TOOK YOU TO READ THIS POST, LESS THAN THAT EVEN
Whereas airport security checkpoints take much much longer
[QUOTE=elowin;41858195]For the same reason you don't want to walk through some incredibly overblown airport security checkups just because there is a small chance that someone may at one point try to bring a bomb in.[/QUOTE]
worst metaphor ever. its like removing the little "MPAA" banner before trailers play. its 3 seconds long. you'll live.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858206]yeah, and if they dont want to have epilepsy attacks, they shouldn't be playing video games! remove that warning too and just not have any warnings, just like the old days.[/QUOTE]
Difference is, people can die from epilepsy. People can't die from panic attacks, well I mean they can if they have heart issues but they were going to die anyways.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;41858213]You're grasping[/QUOTE]
and you didn't respond to my point?
[editline]16th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41858220]Difference is, people can die from epilepsy. People can't die from panic attacks, well I mean they can if they have heart issues but they were going to die anyways.[/QUOTE]
they were going to die anyways... huh
i'll think about that one for a while lol
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858206]yeah, and if they dont want to have epilepsy attacks, they shouldn't be playing video games! remove that warning too and just not have any warnings, just like the old days.[/QUOTE]
Here's where your argument falls apart. I made note to mention "how the industry has worked since almost the beginning"
we've had the ratings box for a long time, and we've had epilepsy warnings for a long time. What you're suggesting is a complete rework of that part of the system, aka something completely retarded and could cause massive damage if people didn't know where to look.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41858211]Why is it my problem if someone has a traumatic panic attack over a video game?[/QUOTE]
well it's a problem if you care about people, which you don't, so I guess you're in the clear.
frankly don't get why you're even still in this thread. you don't have to do shit. we are asking you to, you said no, that's that.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858206]yeah, and if they dont want to have epilepsy attacks, they shouldn't be playing video games! remove that warning too and just not have any warnings, just like the old days.[/QUOTE]
we're not saying they should remove warning, just that there are enough warnings already
if you want to play video games, but believe that depictions of sexual violence may harm you in some way, how about you check the game to see if it has any?
it really wouldn't be too hard, you would simply check the ESRB rating, see if it says "sexual violence", if it doesn't, good for you! go buy. if it does, you could either simply not buy it, or actually do some research into the game to see if it's anything significant
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858234]well it's a problem if you care about people, which you don't, so I guess you're in the clear.
frankly don't get why you're even still in this thread. you don't have to do shit. we are asking you to, you said no, that's that.[/QUOTE]
who's 'we'
are you a plural now
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858229]Here's where your argument falls apart. I made note to mention "how the industry has worked since almost the beginning"
we've had the ratings box for a long time, and we've had epilepsy warnings for a long time. What you're suggesting is a complete rework of that part of the system, aka something completely retarded and could cause massive damage if people didn't know where to look.[/QUOTE]
epilepsy warnings IN GAME are a very very new thing and some games still dont even use it. not only that, but the esrb isnt even that old and is CERTAINLY not intended to protect people from triggers as it is to inform parents as to what "type" of content their kids will be absorbing.
im not saying aaaaaaaaaanything about esrb, all you gotta do
get this
is put a 2 second warning
on the start up of your game
if it has RAPE in it
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858234]well it's a problem if you care about people, which you don't, so I guess you're in the clear.
frankly don't get why you're even still in this thread. you don't have to do shit. we are asking you to, you said no, that's that.[/QUOTE]
I am doing shit. I'm sending my game into the classification boards and holding off the release of my games until they take their sweet goddamn time to come back with the results.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858238]who's 'we'
are you a plural now[/QUOTE]
okay
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858243]epilepsy warnings IN GAME are a very very new thing and some games still dont even use it. not only that, but the esrb isnt even that old and is CERTAINLY not intended to protect people from triggers as it is to inform parents as to what "type" of content their kids will be absorbing.
im not saying aaaaaaaaaanything about esrb, all you gotta do
get this
is put a 2 second warning
on the start up of your game
if it has RAPE in it[/QUOTE]
or perhaps we shouldn't do that at all
and -gasp-
use the existing system that works perfectly!!!
EDIT: "CERTAINLY not intended to protect people from triggers as it is to inform parents as to what "type" of content their kids will be absorbing."
you're right! just because it says sexual violence on the back doesn't mean it can inform me that perhaps, me being a victim of rape, would rather miss this one!
the system is designed ONLY for mothers buying games for their kids and it can't be used for anything else!
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858222]
they were going to die anyways... huh
i'll think about that one for a while lol[/QUOTE]
If someone's heart was so shitty that it gave out after a mere panic attack, yeah they were going to die anyways.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41858245]I am doing shit. I'm sending my game into the classification boards and holding off the release of my games until they take their sweet goddamn time to come back with the results.[/QUOTE]
uh okay, then "we are asking you to do one MORE thing than what you already do, you said no, that's that"
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858243]epilepsy warnings IN GAME are a very very new thing and some games still dont even use it. not only that, but the esrb isnt even that old and is CERTAINLY not intended to protect people from triggers as it is to inform parents as to what "type" of content their kids will be absorbing.
im not saying aaaaaaaaaanything about esrb, all you gotta do
get this
is put a 2 second warning
on the start up of your game
if it has RAPE in it[/QUOTE]
why should rape get a warning yet nothing else does.
actual question, not like being sarcastic. People get PTSD from war, so should we put warnings about violence at the start of games?
again serious question, sorry if this has been asked but i dont want to sift through 4 pages of both sides of this 'argument' being idiotic.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;41858250]Your point was stupid and I felt I was going to end up regurgitating the same thing over and over[/QUOTE]
what a pity
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858219]worst metaphor ever. its like removing the little "MPAA" banner before trailers play. its 3 seconds long. you'll live.[/QUOTE]
you obviously have no idea how many times some people boot up their favorite games
yes it's only like 3 to 30 seconds, that's not a lot if it's only once, but if you have to sit through it EVERY TIME you boot it up, that ends up being a lot of fucking time wasted
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41857984]rape victims are not victims? you heard it here first folks[/QUOTE]
Looking over all of your posts in this thread, you seem to be the kind of person that demanded that a "CAUTION: CONTENTS MAY BE HOT" warning be placed on restaurant coffee cups. It's coffee, it's hot. What do you expect?
This isn't a matter of being a good person. This isn't a matter of how serious rape is. This isn't a matter of making money. This is common sense.
You can argue that "Sexual Violence" can mean anything, but in it's description on the ESRB, rape is literally the first thing it says it could describe.
If I was a rape victim suffering from PTSD and looking to purchase Hotline Miami 2, I would use my common sense to look at the ESRB rating, then, after noticing it has "Sexual Violence," I would use my common sense once again to go to the ESRB website to find what that describes, then after seeing that it could mean rape, use my common sense to Google search, "does hotline miami 2 have a rape scene?" After my question is answered, I would use common sense one more time to NOT PURCHASE OR PLAY THE GAME.
Your request of an additional warning is not bad. Nobody is trying to say that. There's just no point to it because methods are already in place to prevent these triggers from occurring. Should books, movies, paintings, drawings, etc. also come with warnings if they depict rape?
What Alex was trying to say by making the point of they bought the game, so it shouldn't be the developers problem if people are triggered was not him trying to say that he values profit over people. He was trying to point out that if the people buying the game ignore all methods already in place to prevent any problems, then they are at fault for being triggered. The developer should not have to put additional warnings for a specific group when there are already generalized warnings for a multitude of groups. I don't understand what you're not getting about this, or what you're trying to prove exactly.
You keep repeating the same thing over and over again. What is it that you aren't understanding exactly? There's no reason to put an additional warning when the warnings already exist. After the first warning, it becomes redundant. If you want to make an argument, argue that the ESRB should extend it's method of ratings to encompass more specific details, not that developers should create their own system of warning players.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41857793]i hate how valve babies all those colorblind people by adding a colorblind mode. fuck colorblind people. we don't need to appease them. having that small little option will totally piss off everyone else[/QUOTE]
This statement is just... it's dumbfounding. How is that related at all? Colorblind mode simply changes the colors so that they appear as they should for those with an inability to see colors correctly. Color blindness isn't something that can be cured through doctor visits, therapy, or medication. PTSD can be treated through a number of methods. I see why people think you're trolling after a horrible, unrelated, sarcastic argument such as this one.
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;41858255]why should rape get a warning yet nothing else does.
actual question, not like being sarcastic. People get PTSD from war, so should we put warnings about violence at the start of games?
again serious question, sorry if this has been asked but i dont want to sift through 4 pages of both sides of this 'argument' being idiotic.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1299507&p=41857869&viewfull=1#post41857869[/url]
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858266][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1299507&p=41857869&viewfull=1#post41857869[/url][/QUOTE]
wait are you saying that people traumatized by non-sexual violence are different than ones who were traumatized by sexual violence?
[QUOTE=NuggetWarmer;41858258]Looking over all of your posts in this thread, you seem to be the kind of person that demanded that a "CAUTION: CONTENTS MAY BE HOT" warning be placed on restaurant coffee cups. It's coffee, it's hot. What do you expect?
This isn't a matter of being a good person. This isn't a matter of how serious rape is. This isn't a matter of making money. This is common sense.
You can argue that "Sexual Violence" can mean anything, but in it's description on the ESRB, rape is literally the first thing it says it could describe.
If I was a rape victim suffering from PTSD and looking to purchase Hotline Miami 2, I would use my common sense to look at the ESRB rating, then, after noticing it has "Sexual Violence," I would use my common sense once again to go to the ESRB website to find what that describes, then after seeing that it could mean rape, use my common sense to Google search, "does hotline miami 2 have a rape scene?" After my question is answered, I would use common sense one more time to NOT PURCHASE OR PLAY THE GAME.
Your request of an additional warning is not bad. Nobody is trying to say that. There's just no point to it because methods are already in place to prevent these triggers from occurring. Should books, movies, paintings, drawings, etc. also come with warnings if they depict rape?
What Alex was trying to say by making the point of they bought the game, so it shouldn't be the developers problem if people are triggered was not him trying to say that he values profit over people. He was trying to point out that if the people buying the game ignore all methods already in place to prevent any problems, then they are at fault for being triggered. The developer should not have to put additional warnings for a specific group when there are already generalized warnings for a multitude of groups. I don't understand what you're not getting about this, or what you're trying to prove exactly.
You keep repeating the same thing over and over again. What is it that you aren't understanding exactly? There's no reason to put an additional warning when the warnings already exist. After the first warning, it becomes redundant. If you want to make an argument, argue that the ESRB should extend it's method of ratings to encompass more specific details, not that developers should create their own system of warning players.
This statement is just... it's dumbfounding. How is that related at all? Colorblind mode simply changes the colors so that they appear as they should for those with an inability to see colors correctly. Color blindness isn't something that can be cured through doctor visits, therapy, or medication. PTSD can be treated through a number of methods. I see why people think you're trolling after a horrible, unrelated, sarcastic argument such as this one.[/QUOTE]
read your first statement, and simply on that point, ill admit i didnt read the rest :)
coffee is always hot. games rarely contain rape. that is the difference i have explained many times. there is all there is to it
also ptsd can be treated but not necessarily cured. the point was people are saying it is "inconvenient" to pander to rape victims when arguably a warning makes it more accessible and safe for them the same way a colorblind mode makes a game accessible to those who are colorblind
also the esrb rating isnt even out for hotline miami 2 lol
i think it is much more THOUGHTFUL to say "this game has rape" than to make the rape victim do the research themselves. again, don't have to do it, it's just a nice thing to do. it's a suggestion.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858253]uh okay, then "we are asking you to do one MORE thing than what you already do, you said no, that's that"[/QUOTE]
Yeah because it's a stupid suggestion. No one wants it except for Anita Sarkeesian and you.
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