[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858285]read your first statement, and simply on that point, ill admit i didnt read the rest :)
coffee is always hot. games rarely contain rape. that is the difference i have explained many times. there is all there is to it
also ptsd can be treated but not necessarily cured. the point was people are saying it is "inconvenient" to pander to rape victims when arguably a warning makes it more accessible and safe for them the same way a colorblind mode makes a game accessible to those who are colorblind
also the esrb rating isnt even out for hotline miami 2 lol
i think it is much more THOUGHTFUL to say "this game has rape" than to make the rape victim do the research themselves. again, don't have to do it, it's just a nice thing to do. it's a suggestion.[/QUOTE]
the ESRB rating isn't out because it probably hasn't burned through the ratings board yet
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858285]read your first statement, and simply on that point, ill admit i didnt read the rest :)
coffee is always hot. games rarely contain rape. that is the difference i have explained many times. there is all there is to it
also ptsd can be treated but not necessarily cured. the point was people are saying it is "inconvenient" to pander to rape victims when arguably a warning makes it more accessible and safe for them the same way a colorblind mode makes a game accessible to those who are colorblind
also the esrb rating isnt even out for hotline miami 2 lol
i think it is much more THOUGHTFUL to say "this game has rape" than to make the rape victim do the research themselves. again, don't have to do it, it's just a nice thing to do. it's a suggestion.[/QUOTE]
i read your first statement, and already then could i tell the rest of your post would be shit considering you don't even know what you're arguing with
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858279]wait are you saying that people traumatized by non-sexual violence are different than ones who were traumatized by sexual violence?[/QUOTE]
i am saying depiction of rape is displaying the cause of ptsd, which is different than a minor or... tangential trigger, like seeing who seems similar to a rapist, or for a ww2 vet seeing a landscape that resembles a battlefield they were on
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[QUOTE=elowin;41858297]i read your first statement, and already then could i tell the rest of your post would be shit considering you don't even know what you're arguing with[/QUOTE]
that's not very nice
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858298]i am saying depiction of rape is displaying the cause of ptsd, which is different than a minor or... tangential trigger, like seeing who seems similar to a rapist, or for a ww2 vet seeing a landscape that resembles a battlefield they were on
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that's not very nice[/QUOTE]
yeah but were not talking about them seeing a landscape
i'm talking about depictions of limbs being fucking blown off like in red orchestra
are you gonna preach how that's different?
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858295]the ESRB rating isn't out because it probably hasn't burned through the ratings board yet[/QUOTE]
i am aware of that. in his post he says, "they would look at the esrb rating, see sexual violence, and then etc etc etc". the esrb rating is not out, so he is only assuming that rating description is even applied to it.
also nugget worded it wrong, what you're suggesting is that ontop of the already existing warning on the cup, you're suggesting that when you open the tab to drink it, there's little printed text under it that says "HOT!!!"
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858298]that's not very nice[/QUOTE]
sory vedi-chan i am apology for bing mean
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858307]yeah but were not talking about them seeing a landscape
i'm talking about depictions of limbs being fucking blown off like in red orchestra
are you gonna preach how that's different?[/QUOTE]
OKAY here we go again
"again, this is what I'm saying about the difference between depictions of rape and violent videogames. if the premise of a game is "kill people" you know it will be violent. in that same game, there is no reason to expect there to be a rape scene. it's an exception. with war ptsd, you know you're going to be playing a war game. there are no games where you're just fucking around having a grand old time and then suddenly they drop you into a warzone and then go back to just playing around."
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[QUOTE=elowin;41858315]sory vedi-chan i am apology for bing mean[/QUOTE]
*gives you a kiss*
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858309]i am aware of that. in his post he says, "they would look at the esrb rating, see sexual violence, and then etc etc etc". the esrb rating is not out, so he is only assuming that rating description is even applied to it.[/QUOTE]
ok a game with sexual violence isn't gonna have the sexual violence warning tag, unlike every other game with sexual violence
hotline miami 2 will slip by yep
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858318]OKAY here we go again
"again, this is what I'm saying about the difference between depictions of rape and violent videogames. if the premise of a game is "kill people" you know it will be violent. in that same game, there is no reason to expect there to be a rape scene. it's an exception. with war ptsd, you know you're going to be playing a war game. there are no games where you're just fucking around having a grand old time and then suddenly they drop you into a warzone and then go back to just playing around."
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*gives you a kiss*[/QUOTE]
If there's hundreds of people being murdered in the game, who gives a shit if there's a rape scene?
[b]NEWS FLASH: MURDER IS WORSE THAN RAPE[/b]
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858318]OKAY here we go again
"again, this is what I'm saying about the difference between depictions of rape and violent videogames. if the premise of a game is "kill people" you know it will be violent. in that same game, there is no reason to expect there to be a rape scene. it's an exception. with war ptsd, you know you're going to be playing a war game. there are no games where you're just fucking around having a grand old time and then suddenly they drop you into a warzone and then go back to just playing around."
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*gives you a kiss*[/QUOTE]
with a game that includes rape you'll know that it'll have rape when you read the warnings that are already plastered all around it
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858313]also nugget worded it wrong, what you're suggesting is that ontop of the already existing warning on the cup, you're suggesting that when you open the tab to drink it, there's little printed text under it that says "HOT!!!"[/QUOTE]
no, that's not even close. it is like having allergy warnings next to the nutrition facts. that's it. it is not pointing out the obvious, it is telling things they need to be aware of because they can literally hurt them
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41858331]If there's hundreds of people being murdered in the game, who gives a shit if there's a rape scene?
[b]NEWS FLASH: MURDER IS WORSE THAN RAPE[/b][/QUOTE]
that phrase is thin fucking ice, I agree that vedi is being a complete idiot but i stand by every crime being equal
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858332]with a game that includes rape you'll know that it'll have rape when you read the warnings that are already plastered all around it[/QUOTE]
no, you won't, because rape is not often depicted in videogames, as ive said about five times before.
read the thread, honestly.
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[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41858331]If there's hundreds of people being murdered in the game, who gives a shit if there's a rape scene?
[b]NEWS FLASH: MURDER IS WORSE THAN RAPE[/b][/QUOTE]
well okay i got nothing for you at this point. you missed your window of opportunity on that post anyway
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858318]*gives you a kiss*[/QUOTE]
eww im not gey u fgt
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41858331]If there's hundreds of people being murdered in the game, who gives a shit if there's a rape scene?
[b]NEWS FLASH: MURDER IS WORSE THAN RAPE[/b][/QUOTE]
arguable because you have to live with rape and 100 things i could say but nows not the time to start this argument
we are talking about the reactions one has to these images, not the morality in the original action
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bringing up that discussion is either flamebait or i dont know what else
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858336]no, that's not even close. it is like having allergy warnings next to the nutrition facts. that's it. it is not pointing out the obvious, it is telling things they need to be aware of because they can literally hurt them[/QUOTE]
no no no WRONG, that's how the ESRB works, everything you need to know is in one area.
what you're suggesting is that the allergy warnings are a slip of paper inside the container, that way you can make sure you saw it
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858350]no no no WRONG, that's how the ESRB works, everything you need to know is in one area.
what you're suggesting is that the allergy warnings are a slip of paper inside the container, that way you can make sure you saw it[/QUOTE]
"depiction of rape" is not one of the esrb descriptors.
a list of ingredients is on the side of a container, but they also include allergy information separate from that list.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858339]no, you won't, because rape is not often depicted in videogames, as ive said about five times before.
read the thread, honestly.
[/quote]
what the fuck are you even saying
it doesn't matter if it's often depicted, if you read the warnings you know it'll be in there
"HMM SEXUAL VIOLENCE WARNING? PROBABLY NO SEXUAL VIOLENCE CAUSE I HAVENT SEEN ANY IN GAMES YET!"
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[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858355]"depiction of rape" is not one of the esrb descriptors.
a list of ingredients is on the side of a container, but they also include allergy information separate from that list.[/QUOTE]
"Sexual Violence - Depictions of rape or other violent sexual acts"
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858356]what the fuck are you even saying
it doesn't matter if it's often depicted, if you read the warnings you know it'll be in there
"HMM SEXUAL VIOLENCE WARNING? PROBABLY NO SEXUAL VIOLENCE CAUSE I HAVENT SEEN ANY IN GAMES YET!"[/QUOTE]
you got me there with your caps lock
as ive stated before in the thread, that is vague and does not necessarily define rape. if you feel that is adequate, then fine, that's your opinion. good for you. i dont think it is enough. ive said that from the start
if you disagree on that point, then you disagree. there is nothing more to it
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858355]"depiction of rape" is not one of the esrb descriptors.
a list of ingredients is on the side of a container, but they also include allergy information separate from that list.[/QUOTE]
But they don't place it in a manner that you're 100% bound to see it, you have to do a tiny tiny bit of research to read it, much like how the ESRB works
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[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858363]you got me there with your caps lock
as ive stated before in the thread, that is vague and does not necessarily define rape. if you feel that is adequate, then fine, that's your opinion. good for you. i dont think it is enough. ive said that from the start
if you disagree on that point, then you disagree. there is nothing more to it[/QUOTE]
seeing as the ESRB uses that exclusively for "rape and other violent sexual acts", you've gotta be pretty fucking dumb not to know what it means
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858339]no, you won't, because rape is not often depicted in videogames, as ive said about five times before.
read the thread, honestly.
[/QUOTE]
Rape isnt often depicted.
Okay, true. But if you look on the back of the box, and see sexual violence, its safe to assume that this game that you are looking at, maybe, just maybe, includes [I]rape or something that involves sexual violence[/I].
Its simple, it takes as much time to turn a box as it does to show a screen.
That's like saying "huh this can of whatever says it was made in a factory that has peanuts, well i should be cleared to eat it no problem cause it doesn't specify that it -touched- peanuts"
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;41858366]But they don't place it in a manner that you're 100% bound to see it, you have to do a tiny tiny bit of research to read it, much like how the ESRB works[/QUOTE]
would it inconvenience you if they did put it in the place you're bound to see it? would that be so bad?
if so, sorry. i think it should. i think you'll manage for the sake of people far worse off than you.
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[QUOTE=Primigenes;41858381]Games rarely contain sexual violence either
And this is what I said before (And this would have been the exact same reply to your earlier post) but triggers are subjective
Key word is subjective. Now I don't see why some if not most Rape Victims wouldn't be triggered by sexual violence in general.
Good so now there is a neat little "Game contains Rape" before you actually get into the game. Now what if they're playing a game that doesn't contain rape but they are still triggered by something their rapist said. What now? Do we go "fuck whatever" or something? I don't know how it could be so hard to understand sexual violence can trigger rape victims as well.
Why not just use the ESRB and research a game before playing it or just steer clear of games with specific ratings.
Anyway why would you put "Game contains Rape" in the beginning of a game anyway? Wouldn't it not make more sense to put it as an option and either allow someone to skip certain cut scenes or have a warning for before said rape scene occurs?[/QUOTE]
totally missed the point of what i was saying with the diff between a "depiction of rape" compared to a tangential trigger.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858384]would it inconvenience you if they did put it in the place you're bound to see it? would that be so bad?
if so, sorry. i think it should. i think you'll manage for the sake of people far worse off than you.[/QUOTE]
no it wouldn't, but it's a stupid idea when the system we use isn't broken
i'd agree with you if there were repeated counts of "omg this game didn't warn me of rape and now i have flashbacks help lawyers", but this thread is literally the first time I've ever heard of people getting up in arms about this kind of shit
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;41858372]Rape isnt often depicted.
Okay, true. But if you look on the back of the box, and see sexual violence, its safe to assume that this game that you are looking at, maybe, just maybe, includes [I]rape or something that involves sexual violence[/I].
Its simple, it takes as much time to turn a box as it does to show a screen.[/QUOTE]
To add to this, maybe it's just me but if I was worried about it and I saw "sexual violence" and I wasn't entirely sure if that meant rape, I would more than likely look it up and see if such things were in said game. Which would only take a few minutes.
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;41858372]Rape isnt often depicted.
Okay, true. But if you look on the back of the box, and see sexual violence, its safe to assume that this game that you are looking at, maybe, just maybe, includes [I]rape or something that involves sexual violence[/I].
Its simple, it takes as much time to turn a box as it does to show a screen.[/QUOTE]
im suggesting you do both because it doesnt hurt. if you are among one of the ten thousand games that depict rape, just put a lil warning there.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41858285]read your first statement, and simply on that point, ill admit i didnt read the rest :)
coffee is always hot. games rarely contain rape. that is the difference i have explained many times. there is all there is to it
also ptsd can be treated but not necessarily cured. the point was people are saying it is "inconvenient" to pander to rape victims when arguably a warning makes it more accessible and safe for them the same way a colorblind mode makes a game accessible to those who are colorblind
also the esrb rating isnt even out for hotline miami 2 lol
i think it is much more THOUGHTFUL to say "this game has rape" than to make the rape victim do the research themselves. again, don't have to do it, it's just a nice thing to do. it's a suggestion.[/QUOTE]
Okay, we get it. Having the warning is "thoughtful" in your opinion, which is all you keep repeating instead of any logical arguments.
Violent video games will always be violent, but they won't always be the same violence. Rape is a form of violence so at some point it may end up in a violent video game.
Just like coffee can be anywhere from really hot to ice cold, a video game can be anywhere from really violent to tame.
Hotline Miami is a game known for it's ultra violence. I don't see how including rape changes that. It's just more forms of violence packed into a game already regarded as extremely violent.
Is your argument that, because rape is rarely depicted in video games, it should have a warning letting users know that it does? Because it already has that warning, so that argument is invalid.
Is your argument that it would be a nice thing for the developers to do? Because that's completely based on opinion, so there's really no point in continuing your argument unless you want to prove exactly why it's necessary without restating yourself over and over again. Obviously that isn't working.
Is your argument that PTSD only can severely affect rape victims? Because it is true that nearly anything can cause PTSD, and you seem to have acknowledged that, in which case the argument of putting a specific warning for rape victims becomes irrelevant, as you can't cater to every single type of sufferer of PTSD.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to do other than pick out bits and pieces of other's posts in order to find a reason to aggravate them into dragging this stupid argument(over what exactly I'm not too sure) even longer.
[QUOTE=Mr Flexi;41858392]To add to this, maybe it's just me but if I was worried about it and I saw "sexual violence" and I wasn't entirely sure if that meant rape, I would more than likely look it up and see if such things were in said game. Which would only take a few minutes.[/QUOTE]
and if you got the game without a box? all i am suggesting is a small warning lol
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