• Travis Strikes Again [No More Heroes]
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I hope to fucking god that he doesn't Suda the final confrontation [I]again[/I]. Seriously the three final bosses of NMH2 are an embarrassment and actually make that game feel unsatisfying. I know it's intentional too, but that's just being an asshole instead of making a point
[QUOTE=Zeos;52631587]I hope to fucking god that he doesn't Suda the final confrontation [I]again[/I]. Seriously the three final bosses of NMH2 are an embarrassment and actually make that game feel unsatisfying. I know it's intentional too, but that's just being an asshole instead of making a point[/QUOTE] Final boss song was sick though
[QUOTE=Zeos;52631587]I hope to fucking god that he doesn't Suda the final confrontation [I]again[/I]. Seriously the three final bosses of NMH2 are an embarrassment and actually make that game feel unsatisfying. I know it's intentional too, but that's just being an asshole instead of making a point[/QUOTE] Suda's a lot more involved in this game than he was in NMH2, so I wouldn't worry.
[t]http://nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/nggallery/travis-strikes-again-83017/Switch_TSA_KeyArt_28.jpg[/t] Im so ungodly hype for this, especially since boneface (who did art for queens of the stone age's ...like clockwork and Villains) designed the other character!!!
this looks super interesting but the only content I recognize is hotline miami please help
[QUOTE=jazxsora;52631906][t]http://nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/nggallery/travis-strikes-again-83017/Switch_TSA_KeyArt_28.jpg[/t] Im so ungodly hype for this, especially since boneface (who did art for queens of the stone age's ...like clockwork and Villains) designed the other character!!![/QUOTE] Big Van Vader lost some weight.
I'm conflicted about the voice change. NMH is one of my favorite series, but Robin Atkin Downes does an amazing job at voicing Travis that I don' think I'll be able to get used to the new voice.
I think he's still in it, but the music makes it hard to hear him speak.
No... that's very, very, very obviously Liam O'Brien
the art style is really cool. i thought it was a 2D-animated trailer until he walked up to the camper
[QUOTE=Niney;52630795]It improves on pretty much everything after the first game.[/QUOTE] Except the writing. Desperate Struggle got more overtly comedic and dropped most of the grit of the original in favour for stylish jokes. Even the big twist from the original was retconned with a simple "lol, it wouldnt be much of a sequel if we didnt retcon this". [QUOTE=Zeos;52631587]I hope to fucking god that he doesn't Suda the final confrontation [I]again[/I]. Seriously the three final bosses of NMH2 are an embarrassment and actually make that game feel unsatisfying. I know it's intentional too, but that's just being an asshole instead of making a point[/QUOTE] Suda only produced Desperate Struggle, he didnt direct it or really had much to do with it aside fron slapping his name on the game for marketing reasons. This is gonna be the first game Suda's directed for years.
[QUOTE=Amakir;52633103]Except the writing. Desperate Struggle got more overtly comedic and dropped most of the grit of the original in favour for stylish jokes. Even the big twist from the original was retconned with a simple "lol, it wouldnt be much of a sequel if we didnt retcon this".[/QUOTE] Referring to [sp]Jeane[/sp] or [sp]UAA being a scam[/sp]?
[QUOTE=Cliff2;52633386]Referring to [sp]Jeane[/sp] or [sp]UAA being a scam[/sp]?[/QUOTE] [sp]UAA being a scam.[/sp]
This game better have four Destroymen or I'll cry.
The No More Heroes franchise was actually first love prior to TF2, so I'm pretty hyped for this game. Have ya'll seen the concept art? 'Cause it's fucking gorgeous: [t]http://i.imgur.com/TA00R8g.jpg[/t]
So, (NMH2 spoilerish) [sp]What exactly does this game mean for Sylvia? Surprisingly absent so far[/sp].
NMH2 is seven years old, no need to spoiler tag it anymore. According to The Outer Rim album intro, Travis and Sylvia attain immortality, escape to space together and get married. No, I'm not kidding: [video=youtube;13rhrr86_CI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13rhrr86_CI[/video] I think it's safe to presume Travis and Sylvia are either undergoing a period of seperation, or TSA occurs during the period between NMH2's main story and the parlor scenes that take place some amount of time after, during which Sylvia is presumably not present in Travis' life.
[QUOTE=Contra132;52637464]NMH2 is seven years old, no need to spoiler tag it anymore. [/QUOTE] I don't know, just because it's old doesn't mean everyone had the chance to play it or heard about the games, especially with the games being a console exclusive. Some games only reaches a peak popularity after a sequel announcement so a lot of potential new players who want to play the older games first may want an unspoiled experience. And it's just common courtesy to spoiler tag a spoiler, no matter how old the work may be.
[QUOTE=NachoPiggy;52637472]I don't know, just because it's old doesn't mean everyone had the chance to play it or heard about the games, especially with the games being a console exclusive. Some games only reaches a peak popularity after a sequel announcement so a lot of potential new players who want to play the older games first may want an unspoiled experience. And it's just common courtesy to spoiler tag a spoiler, no matter how old the work may be.[/QUOTE] then maybe they should play the original titles before browsing a thread about the third entry in the series? it's called a [URL="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LateArrivalSpoiler"]late-arrival spoiler[/URL]. I'm not going to run out in the streets and scream every major plot-twist to the entire NMH series to the world at large, but if you're trying to have an "unspoiled experience", you probably shouldn't be browsing threads about sequels to games you haven't played yet.
[QUOTE=Contra132;52637362]The No More Heroes franchise was actually first love prior to TF2, so I'm pretty hyped for this game. Have ya'll seen the concept art? 'Cause it's fucking gorgeous: [t]http://i.imgur.com/TA00R8g.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] I'm very excited for this game. The fact it has top notch concept art and Suda is directing it personally tells me it's going to be more than just a mini game collection, hopefully that's true
Any chance of the first two games coming to Switch?
[QUOTE=Contra132;52637532]then maybe they should play the original titles before browsing a thread about the third entry in the series? it's called a [URL="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LateArrivalSpoiler"]late-arrival spoiler[/URL]. I'm not going to run out in the streets and scream every major plot-twist to the entire NMH series to the world at large, but if you're trying to have an "unspoiled experience", you probably shouldn't be browsing threads about sequels to games you haven't played yet.[/QUOTE] Because newcomers tend to want to ask and discuss about the series and a sequel announcement usually hypes up a lot of people, especially since a sequel's element may appeal to them. When MGSV was announced for the first time it attracted numerous newcomers to the series due to its different tone and appeal, including its open-world element and darker themes, and a lot of them got curious and want to know how to get started with the series. Yakuza 0 is argubly somewhat of a long running series example too that only found its larger western audience after it, resulting in the funding of the remake of the 1st and 2nd game even, giving newcomers a fresh remastered experience without being spoiled. You risk alienating people by spoiling something a trailer or preview didn't even spoil regarding a previous entry, and it's not like it takes much effort to do simple spoiler tags, they're a few extra characters in text.
[QUOTE=dvc;52637560]I'm very excited for this game. The fact it has top notch concept art and Suda is directing it personally tells me it's going to be more than just a mini game collection, hopefully that's true[/QUOTE] from what I've heard, it's going to play like the previous titles, just with worlds and bosses themed after the 6 indie titles being featured in it. hoping there's more than six stages, though, and at least a few of them take place in NMH's world proper... Hotline Miami and Shovel Knight are both confirmed, by the way. [video=youtube;E33WV8e2e7g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E33WV8e2e7g[/video] [editline]1st September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=NachoPiggy;52637573]Because newcomers tend to want to ask and discuss about the series and a sequel announcement usually hypes up a lot of people, especially since a sequel's element may appeal to them. When MGSV was announced for the first time it attracted numerous newcomers to the series due to its different tone and appeal, including its open-world element and darker themes, and a lot of them got curious and want to know how to get started with the series. Yakuza 0 is argubly somewhat of a long running series example too that only found its larger western audience after it, resulting in the funding of the remake of the 1st and 2nd game even, giving newcomers a fresh remastered experience without being spoiled. You risk alienating people by spoiling something a trailer or preview didn't even spoil regarding a previous entry, and it's not like it takes much effort to do simple spoiler tags, they're a few extra characters in text.[/QUOTE] What is there even to spoil about NMH 1 and 2? The only prominent plot twists in the series happen in the first game, and the ones that aren't retconned in 2 are spoiled in its trailers and the game itself. There's like...two whole things to spoil in NMH, and one of those spoilers don't actually matter. And, again, where's the common sense in browsing a thread to a sequel to something that you haven't played, watched or read yet? That's like opening the Deathly Hallows and going [sp]oh fuck, Dumbledore died!?[/sp]. MGSV and Yakuza 0 are both horrible examples, too, because they're both prequels with foregone conclusions as plot hooks. Plus, spoilers generally [URL="https://www.wired.com/2011/08/spoilers-dont-spoil-anything/"]don't actually spoil an experience[/URL], and it's not like No More Heroes is particularly story-intensive. Travis buys a beam katana off eBay. He kills dudes. There's two whole plot twists. There you go, that's the first two games in a nutshell.
[QUOTE=Contra132;52637587] What is there even to spoil about NMH 1 and 2? The only prominent plot twists in the series happen in the first game, and the ones that aren't retconned in 2 are spoiled in its trailers and the game itself. There's like...two whole things to spoil in NMH, and one of those spoilers don't actually matter. And, again, where's the common sense in browsing a thread to a sequel to something that you haven't played, watched or read yet? That's like opening the Deathly Hallows and going [sp]oh fuck, Dumbledore died!?[/sp]. MGSV and Yakuza 0 are both horrible examples, too, because they're both prequels with foregone conclusions as plot hooks. Plus, spoilers generally [URL="https://www.wired.com/2011/08/spoilers-dont-spoil-anything/"]don't actually spoil an experience[/URL], and it's not like No More Heroes is particularly story-intensive. Travis buys a beam katana off eBay. He kills dudes. There's two whole plot twists. There you go, that's the first two games in a nutshell.[/QUOTE] Spoilers are spoilers my dude, a lot of people like a fresh experience, even if some details and plot points are very minor or insignificant. I mean personally I'm the type who reads the last page of the book first, so they don't bother me personally, but just because they don't bother me doesn't mean I should go spoil out an entire synopsis to others. Just because they're prequels too doesn't mean they don't have plot points that have call forwards or hints of something that happens in a previous game. A prequel work usually implies that the person may had already seen the previous entry that takes place after it, and it takes advantage of that. Some prequels even spoil out a major character's motivation or backstory in a previous entry because of it. And if you really want another example that follows a linear chronological structure, The Witcher 1-3 never explicitly spoil details from previous entries especially in regards to previews about the main plotline of each game, and it's a game that reached its popularity peak at its 3rd most refined entry. Like I will acknowledge some works spoil a major plot point on a major entry already, but it's not all of them, and usually the writing tends to focus more on the newer elements without spoiling previous major points front and center. And with this point, once again spoilers are still spoilers. Like I said it doesn't spoil the experience for me personally, but it's still a huge deal for a lot of people, and there's a 'surprise factor' to people that really enhances the experience for them knowing firsthand while playing or watching through a previous entry, even if the work doesn't entirely rely on a spoiler point. Honestly once again, it's just common courtesy to warn people about potential spoilers. I mean even that TvTropes page you linked spoiler tags its own entries, and I think that says a lot on how important it is to warn people about spoilers no matter how old.
[QUOTE=NachoPiggy;52637668]Honestly once again, it's just common courtesy to warn people about potential spoilers. I mean even that TvTropes page you linked spoiler tags its own entries, and I think that says a lot on how important it is to warn people about spoilers no matter how old.[/QUOTE] The difference between the TV Tropes page and this game/thread is that the TV Tropes page operates under the assumption you aren't familiar with any of the works documented therein. TV Tropes is providing examples of tropes in popular culture, while this is a thread explicitly for the discussion of the latest title in a [I]chronological series[/I]. You may notice that I marked the Harry Potter spoiler in my previous post- I marked that because this is an NMH thread, and there's no reason for me to assume that person has read or is familiar with Harry Potter. That would actually be an example of me ruining an experience for someone by placing a spoiler where it doesn't belong. I just think that if you're doing research into a sequel, you should be prepared to be spoiled. Hell, any news story that breaks about this game is going to be a spoiler, because with each game crossover revealed, you're going to know more about the actual game you're playing before it even comes out! We're in a discussion thread about the latest entry in a series. I'd think it's fair to assume that the people here are either caught up with the previous entries or don't mind minor spoilers for a non story-centric game. NMH is about its gameplay, its aesthetics and its characters- the actual plot is barebones as [I]fuck[/I] aside from the end of the first game. Spoilers in this context legitimately do not matter. The fact that you're in a thread discussing details of a game before it releases already means that you aren't going to have a blind experience of this game, or any game in its series. And, again, NMH2 came out [I]seven years ago[/I]. Why does it matter? You're not even arguing for yourself here- you're arguing for this hypothetical person who browses threequel threads for games they haven't played yet.
I only got around to playing both NMH games earlier this year after rediscovering my Wii in storage. It's fair to assume that some people haven't played what is admittedly a cult title even a decade after it came out. That being said, asking about Sylvia is not a spoiler. There are plenty of ways of phrasing a sentence or framing an image so as to avoid spoilers for newbies while still getting the point across to people in the know (see my above post). Just because you understand the context doesn't mean someone unfamiliar with the work does.
[QUOTE=Contra132;52637705]The difference between the TV Tropes page and this game/thread is that the TV Tropes page operates under the assumption you aren't familiar with any of the works documented therein. TV Tropes is providing examples of tropes in popular culture, while this is a thread explicitly for the discussion of the latest title in a [I]chronological series[/I]. You may notice that I marked the Harry Potter spoiler in my previous post- I marked that because this is an NMH thread, and there's no reason for me to assume that person has read or is familiar with Harry Potter. That would actually be an example of me ruining an experience for someone by placing a spoiler where it doesn't belong. I just think that if you're doing research into a sequel, you should be prepared to be spoiled. Hell, any news story that breaks about this game is going to be a spoiler, because with each game crossover revealed, you're going to know more about the actual game you're playing before it even comes out! We're in a discussion thread about the latest entry in a series. I'd think it's fair to assume that the people here are either caught up with the previous entries or don't mind minor spoilers for a non story-centric game. NMH is about its gameplay, its aesthetics and its characters- the actual plot is barebones as [I]fuck[/I] aside from the end of the first game. Spoilers in this context legitimately do not matter. The fact that you're in a thread discussing details of a game before it releases already means that you aren't going to have a blind experience of this game, or any game in its series. And, again, NMH2 came out [I]seven years ago[/I]. Why does it matter? You're not even arguing for yourself here- you're arguing for this hypothetical person who browses threequel threads for games they haven't played yet.[/QUOTE] Even then, most of the entries on the TVTropes page highlights the name of the series first, and with that assumption it's already similar to reading the thread/video title and the factor is usually either you're unfamiliar with it but the name caught your interest or you're an existing fan who wants to check out the latest entry. Ideally people should just be courteous in general regarding spoilers, even if it is about the current topic. The only times where you can excuse un-tagged spoilers are when it's explicitly a spoiler discussion such as speculation or theory around an ending, or the topic itself deals with spoilers i.e. character deaths. Going back once again, for many this is potentially their first exposure to the franchise. It's convenient to check a new latest preview or thread about a new entry on a franchise, and it's an easy way for newcomers to ask quick harmless questions about the series premise without explicitly having to read a summary that will spoil an entire entry. I think it's a little silly to assume people would go 'oh hey, that title of the thread or video looks interesting, but hmm I never played the previous games before, better move away and check the first entries myself asap'. Usually newcomers that get attracted to a new entry want to ask existing fans what's the main appeal of the games or how they play, and usually for long runners, a recommended playing list is asked and provided, whether for busy people, or for potentially skipping weaker entries in a series. Not all previews hint on a previous works, but instead spotlights new things that are usually self-contained with minor nods or callbacks that will be familiar to fans of the previous entry. If a preview itself spoils something from a previous entry, then the creators are at fault for spoiling that particular thing. I've played the games and enjoyed them, and I'm aware that the plot points aren't the main attraction, but the fact that these are still plot elements written with the assumption the player hasn't known yet, they're still spoilers and should be treated cautiously around people. I'm not arguing for hypothetical people, I'm arguing for people in general because there will always be newcomers checking out an announcement of a new game, whether it's from a new or existing series. If I may add as well for this game specifically, the title of this game is hard to imply it's a sequel, and that already will be a huge point of attraction for newcomers to check on the thread and the previews, and most will only know it's a series after they'll notice the discussion behind it.
Also, check out the Japanese version of the trailer. Seems like the audio mixing isn't intentional, and whomever censored the swear words in the trailer MASSIVELY ruined the audio
I'll definitely miss Robin Atkin Downes [video]https://youtu.be/qByKEu0zdco[/video]
I can't emphasize this enough: failing to bring back Robin Atkin Downes would be a huge fuckin' mistake.
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