20 minutes of sovereign citizens doing dumb shit and getting ruined - General

[QUOTE=gudman;48203645]What's up with these folks and "I DO NO CONSENT" and "AM I DETAINED?"? Do they like, actually believe that policemen are robots, and screaming codewords at them will turn them off, or overload them or some shit? Or do they see it as a sort of twisted BDSM action going too far and those are safewords? The desperation with which they scream those words at the top of their lungs, prior to being tazed, man. They must [b]really[/b] believe this stuff works.[/QUOTE] 'Am I detained' at least has [I]some[/I] logic since there are rules and such tied to it. 'I do not consent', however...I'll just say it's almost adorable how they think the police require consent to arrest your ass.

"God's not worried about cameras sir, I am" 10/10

The Sovereign Citizen community has an even more detached from reality cousin movement called Freemen on the Land (FOTL). They mix a big bundle of tax protestor stupid in. One thing both groups have in common is that there are entire communities online encouraging people to resist the authorities according to self-serving massive misinterpretations of law text, purposefully regurgitating this bs to ignorant people looking for some way to push back against the system. In the case of FOTLers, this has included things like deciding not to pay the rest of the mortgage and just claiming the bank has no right to "your" land all of a sudden - homes that've been in the family for 90 years have been lost over this stupidity. And another thing they have in common is that the prospective tax cheat is told THIS ALWAYS WORKS and really does a lot to fill the sucker with a feeling of empowered confidence -- like they've finally unlocked the secret, and this must be what successful rich people did (not, you know, hard work, talent, all that stuff these shmucks want to skip). And then when it blows up in their face and they're arrested, charged, convicted, and jailed/otherwise punished, the community casts them out and blames them for not doing it right, because it ALWAYS works unless you do it wrong. The goalposts don't get moved so much as the victim made an unperson. And, of course, a small number of people have made big money in doing speaking tours on how to get everything you want by being a SovCit, and they embrace the "I'm right, you just did it wrong" line for obvious reasons. This is what spread it. There are books about it out there, although some of the authors have been convicted of various crimes related to their own personal lawbreaking and advocating others to commit criminal acts (by refusing to pay taxes, for example). [editline]14th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48203691]I think it's hilarious that the FBI is considering these guys as "A bigger domestic threat than ISIS" when these guys can't even get a sentence out without their bowels emptying.[/QUOTE] Because these are the poseurs who got into it because they heard it works, but they're not totally committed to it. See page 2 for cop murder by someone who REALLY was committed to the idea.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48203691]I think it's hilarious that the FBI is considering these guys as "A bigger domestic threat than ISIS" when these guys can't even get a sentence out without their bowels emptying.[/QUOTE] Watch this one again: [QUOTE=smurfy;48196965]Yeah, here's the not so funny side of the sovereign citizen movement [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_y-gLm9Hrw[/media][/QUOTE] Now, I'm not saying that this makes up the majority of sovereign citizens in the US, but it definitely makes up a pretty good chunk of them. There's a lot more of them than there are Islamists in the US, and all it's going to take for them to go from a joke to an insurgency is someone with enough sway over them telling them too. The greatest threat justice may face is a man who falsely believes himself just.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48195716][video=youtube;JGxSzn5DKK4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGxSzn5DKK4[/video] You think the retarded preamble before the comedy is painful? Try this one out.[/QUOTE] Late to responding to this prolly but this dude is the worst. Holding up public transit for any reason is a dick move but the recorder doing it twice for refusing to show a fuckin piece of paper is an ass move. Just show your receipt and go on your day, don't pull your "I have rights" shit.

[QUOTE=Kentz;48195514]sure these ppl are mostly dumb but can you really defend the cop fucking breaking a car window and then proceeding by tazing him?[/QUOTE] You dont listen to a cop, expect to get hurt.

[QUOTE=Robman8908;48195567]"I have a reason to believe... that crime is afoot!" Lol, I wanna meet that cop. He's obviously a superhero by night.[/QUOTE] Fuck me I want to know where that's said but I don't want to sit through the cringe.

[QUOTE=haloguy234;48203733]Some of their logic does make sense but they use it in the completely wrong way. Like, if I got pulled over for a speeding ticket and I complied to all of the officer's instructions but then he was like "I am going to conduct a search of your person and vehicle" you really could say no to that if there truly are no signs of probable cause (example, if the officer thinks I'm smoking pot when I know for a fact I have not). I wouldn't because I have nothing to hide but some people have a serious hate boner for that stuff and would rather complicate things and piss off an officer and make shit take longer than it should.[/QUOTE] Yeah, you [b]could[/b] not consent to search if you know for a fact that you didn't do wrong, but the cop doesn't and he'll most likely do it anyway. It will surely make a case for the court later, but why even complicate things to that extent? Like, there's really very little purpose to "showing the pigs their place". It's stupid.

[QUOTE=MendozaMan;48195980]So, in their little fantasy of saying "I do not consent" they DO realize that police have the right to do whatever without consent, right?[/QUOTE] Not everything. But the police do have a lot of forcefull compliance aproaches at their disposal. In some cases though, these are not physical but legal. [QUOTE=haloguy234;48203733]Some of their logic does make sense but they use it in the completely wrong way. Like, if I got pulled over for a speeding ticket and I complied to all of the officer's instructions but then he was like "I am going to conduct a search of your person and vehicle" you really could say no to that if there truly are no signs of probable cause (example, if the officer thinks I'm smoking pot when I know for a fact I have not). I wouldn't because I have nothing to hide but some people have a serious hate boner for that stuff and would rather complicate things and piss off an officer and make shit take longer than it should.[/QUOTE] Generally if that happens, you request that the officer list a probable cause, that you disagree with said reasoning and wish to have it in protocol. Then you let him conduct his search. Once it turns out nothing you can file a formal complaint listing said protocol, how you disagreed with the reasoning of probable cause in this event and how the officer was clearly overstepping. A lot depends on what a vehicle may be considered as well. In some legalities, if you are occupying a vehicle it counts almost the same as an inhabited area. As such they can detain the vehicle but not enter without a court doc unless you consent.

Wait, that Autozone looks familiar... Holy shit, was that second video from my hometown? He says "I am not a resident of the State of Indiana" which makes me think it is some Chicago pothead hopping the border. Hold on, I have to ask my dead if he knows any of those cops.

[QUOTE=BananaFoam;48204064]Hold on, I have to ask my dead if he knows any of those cops.[/QUOTE] your what

[QUOTE=BananaFoam;48204064]Hold on, I have to ask my dead if he knows any of those cops.[/QUOTE] Now don't get desperate and do some cult rituals :/

[QUOTE=gudman;48203987]Yeah, you [b]could[/b] not consent to search if you know for a fact that you didn't do wrong, but the cop doesn't and he'll most likely do it anyway. It will surely make a case for the court later, but why even complicate things to that extent? Like, there's really very little purpose to "showing the pigs their place". It's stupid.[/QUOTE] I respect and love cops and honestly want to do that job, but it's fairly sound advice never to consent to a search under normal circumstances. This doesn't mean fight them or fail to comply with orders, just make it clear you aren't consenting. Exactly as you said, if it turns out the search is illegal, any evidence they found as a result of it won't be admissible. Wanna fight the police? Do it in court.

Or don't do anything illegal and just consent to the search instead of giving them a hard time and not worry about the search. Just sit there and have a decent time chatting with an officer in the mean time.

That first cop ripping the fucking window out with his bare hands was badass as hell.

[QUOTE=Carnotite;48204111]I respect and love cops and honestly want to do that job, but it's fairly sound advice never to consent to a search under normal circumstances. This doesn't mean fight them or fail to comply with orders, just make it clear you aren't consenting. Exactly as you said, if it turns out the search is illegal, any evidence they found as a result of it won't be admissible. Wanna fight the police? Do it in court.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48204136]Or don't do anything illegal and just consent to the search instead of giving them a hard time and not worry about the search. Just sit there and have a decent time chatting with an officer in the mean time.[/QUOTE] I think both are perfectly valid approaches to police. If the officer's being a dick about it (and I reckon they can be real dicks), fight him legally. If they're polite and nice, just don't mind it. Why? He'll still do it, so you're not winning anything, just losing more time for pretty much nothing.

If an officer asks for your license/insurance/registration and you are in a vehicle you are required to provide it. While you do have the right to travel you do not inherently have a right to any particular method of travel and must comply with any stated/posted regulations as well as provide proof of said compliance when requested by an officer of the law and refusal to do such constitutes probable cause for search or seizure. Also, whether or not you believe a law is unconstitutional does not matter, if it's on the books you will be arrested for failing to comply with it, if you believe it is unconstitutional then you may argue such at your trial, and your perceptions of any law's constitutionality will not change the fact that resisting or impeding law enforcement officers will also result in arrest and/or charges.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48204693]If an officer asks for your license/insurance/registration and you are in a vehicle you are required to provide it. While you do have the right to travel you do not inherently have a right to any particular method of travel and must comply with any stated/posted regulations as well as provide proof of said compliance when requested by an officer of the law and refusal to do such constitutes probable cause for search or seizure. Also, whether or not you believe a law is unconstitutional does not matter, if it's on the books you will be arrested for failing to comply with it, if you believe it is unconstitutional then you may argue such at your trial, and your perceptions of any law's constitutionality will not change the fact that resisting or impeding law enforcement officers will also result in arrest and/or charges.[/QUOTE] In other words, there's a difference in how you deal with the executive branch (police) and the judicial branch (courts). Am I right on that?

[QUOTE=Blazedol;48204080]your what[/QUOTE] Oh shet. Fuck it, I'm not changing that. It's too funny.

holy shit do these people exist in real life

[QUOTE=HSF;48204915]holy shit do these people exist in real life[/QUOTE] no this is the start of hl2

In the not the first one but... ONE of them, I think he can fuck over the cop despite being like everyone else in the video. The guy in the truck I'm assuming was there illegally, in which case it makes sense for him to try that much. If he was there legally then I don't even know. The rest of them... what the fuck are they even doing.

[QUOTE=nerdster409;48197255]And for good reason. [video=youtube;Lv2E8wfF5to]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv2E8wfF5to[/video][/QUOTE] Oh man, I actually knew that police officer's daughter, she was sitting across from me in the lunch room when she was suddenly called to the office, that was a dramatic day.

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;48204994]no this is the start of hl2[/QUOTE] I DO NOT CONSENT TO PICKING UP THAT CAN

[QUOTE=New Cidem;48205173]I DO NOT CONSENT TO PICKING UP THAT CAN[/QUOTE] I wanna talk to your supervisor, Dr. Breen! I don't have a last name, I'm just Concerned!

Here's part of the problem with soveregin citizens. According to his family this kid had been watching a lot of sovereign citizen videos before the night and got really pumped up and ready to show off his rights. If he didn't start with his AM I BEING DETAINED bullshit, the officer would just tell him his car had really bright xenon low beams, as the officer had been flashed several times since he switched to that car, and didn't even ask for papers from the other drivers he pulled over. Instead he started all this bullshit and lost his life. No gore, no visible death, just a one second scream when the guy attacks the cop. [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f9_1434573577[/url]

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;48206055]Here's part of the problem with soveregin citizens. According to his family this kid had been watching a lot of sovereign citizen videos before the night and got really pumped up and ready to show off his rights. If he didn't start with his AM I BEING DETAINED bullshit, the officer would just tell him his car had really bright xenon low beams, as the officer had been flashed several times since he switched to that car, and didn't even ask for papers from the other drivers he pulled over. Instead he started all this bullshit and lost his life. No gore, no visible death, just a one second scream when the guy attacks the cop. [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f9_1434573577[/url][/QUOTE] And it's shit like this that makes me understand why cops are so on edge. They never have any idea if something routine is going to turn into a threat against their life or the lives of others. My dad is a jail guard and from what his buddies have told him, the two most dangerous types of encounters for any regular officer are traffic stops and domestic disturbance calls. Seeing this shit makes me know why.

I would never be able to be a cop and do their job. I can't have this patience with stupidity, and knowing that it could potentially kill me and my partners

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;48206055]Here's part of the problem with soveregin citizens. According to his family this kid had been watching a lot of sovereign citizen videos before the night and got really pumped up and ready to show off his rights. If he didn't start with his AM I BEING DETAINED bullshit, the officer would just tell him his car had really bright xenon low beams, as the officer had been flashed several times since he switched to that car, and didn't even ask for papers from the other drivers he pulled over. Instead he started all this bullshit and lost his life. No gore, no visible death, just a one second scream when the guy attacks the cop. [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f9_1434573577[/url][/QUOTE] For sanity's sake, don't read the comments. They're just as bad as the title and description.

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;48206055]Here's part of the problem with soveregin citizens. According to his family this kid had been watching a lot of sovereign citizen videos before the night and got really pumped up and ready to show off his rights. If he didn't start with his AM I BEING DETAINED bullshit, the officer would just tell him his car had really bright xenon low beams, as the officer had been flashed several times since he switched to that car, and didn't even ask for papers from the other drivers he pulled over. Instead he started all this bullshit and lost his life. No gore, no visible death, just a one second scream when the guy attacks the cop. [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f9_1434573577[/url][/QUOTE] I couldn't really see what was happening in the last part of the video, did he come at him or something?