20 minutes of sovereign citizens doing dumb shit and getting ruined - General

[QUOTE=Blazedol;48206449]I couldn't really see what was happening in the last part of the video, did he come at him or something?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2015/06/16/press-conference-eaton-guilford/28801761/]Fros(The police officer)t initially used his stun gun on Guilford(The driver) while the teen was lying on his stomach next to his vehicle but would not put his hands behind his back as Frost was attempting to handcuff him. The stun gun wasn't fully effective because only one of two probes embedded into Guilford, Lloyd said, although Guilford shouted in pain. Lloyd said Guilford got off the ground and the altercation ended in a snow-filled ditch, where Guilford was able to get on top of Frost and was hitting him in the face. There is no video of the final moments. Frost's body camera came off during the fight and his SUV had no dash camera; Guilford's cell phone remained on the pavement, recording audio of the shots but no video of the shooting. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48203691]I think it's hilarious that the FBI is considering these guys as "A bigger domestic threat than ISIS" when these guys can't even get a sentence out without their bowels emptying.[/QUOTE] Compared to the amount of Americans killed by Sovereign Citizens to ISIS kills in the US, these guys are actually more dangerous.

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;48206055]Here's part of the problem with soveregin citizens. According to his family this kid had been watching a lot of sovereign citizen videos before the night and got really pumped up and ready to show off his rights. If he didn't start with his AM I BEING DETAINED bullshit, the officer would just tell him his car had really bright xenon low beams, as the officer had been flashed several times since he switched to that car, and didn't even ask for papers from the other drivers he pulled over. Instead he started all this bullshit and lost his life. No gore, no visible death, just a one second scream when the guy attacks the cop. [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f9_1434573577[/url][/QUOTE] Gotta love those tags [t]http://i.gyazo.com/263d7ebb317d634b14d0af93127b78d7.png[/t]

If I ever get pulled over I'm going to start a chat about this shit. I don't care if I get a $150 ticket. I'd love to hear how a cop feels about this stupid crap.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;48206602]Compared to the amount of Americans killed by Sovereign Citizens to ISIS kills in the US, these guys are actually more dangerous.[/QUOTE] Sovereign Citizens are considered domestic terrorists to some extent. [url]https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/april/sovereigncitizens_041310[/url]

Well this thread just ruined my day And I don't even live in America

I was amazed by that trucker after the police officer took off the official law text, read it out loud as whole, explained like 3 times, asked like 10 times nicely and the guy still refused the questioning and search ... that was really sad cause the police guy tried be so damn nice ... (maybe too much)

[QUOTE=paul simon;48207170]Well this thread just ruined my day And I don't even live in America[/QUOTE] what the hell is that internet browser you're using?

[QUOTE=meppers;48207244]what the hell is that internet browser you're using?[/QUOTE] It's a special snowflake browser, along with waterfox.

[QUOTE=Kentz;48195514]sure these ppl are mostly dumb but can you really defend the cop fucking breaking a car window and then proceeding by tazing him?[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's easy. He gave that guy all the patience in the world to comply with the lawful orders. Are police supposed to walk away when a guy who broke the law says no?

The girl parked in the fire lane was annoying as fuck. As a side note, fire fighters love pulling up the fires with cars blocking hydrants/fire lanes because they get to fuck up the cars.

A good friend of mine is a leo who deals with drug busts and stuff, so often he'll come home with new cuts and bruises. Dude is almost always on edge from stuff like this, he hates the sovereign citizen movement due to how unpredictable they are. Really irks me to watch these bullheaded fucks.

It's also amazing how calm and polite every cop is at the start, and some of them are even calm all the way through.

[QUOTE=nerdster409;48197255]And for good reason. [video=youtube;Lv2E8wfF5to]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv2E8wfF5to[/video][/QUOTE] Always cheers me up to see the dog run away and the fuckers get killed in that video. All I hope is that the dog got adopted by a more sane family.

[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;48207567]The girl parked in the fire lane was annoying as fuck.[/QUOTE] Respect to that officer for remaining completely calm the whole time.

Cops don't get paid enough to deal with this shit.

[QUOTE=Blazedol;48206449]I couldn't really see what was happening in the last part of the video, did he come at him or something?[/QUOTE] Found a link to an article with the last couple seconds slowed down. You can see he is up and rushing the officer. According to the article, they end up in a ditch with the kid on top punching the officer followed by the use of deadly force. [url]http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2015/06/17/photos-injured-sergeant-involved-fatal-shooting-released/28889097/[/url]

Never knew there was an official name for these people, before this I always just chalked them up to random individual assholes and never made the connection. As funny as the video is at times, the entirety of it is just infuriating to watch.

What I can add to this discussion is that I'm very close with someone who considers himself a sovereign citizen and he has some very valid points to make. He's challenged officers 5 times by exercising his [I]actual[/I] rights (not the crazy shit some of the people in these videos believe) and it resulted in being attacked by the officers. He defended himself and was arrested for assaulting an officer each time. However 4 out of the 5 times, all charges were dropped, because he was exercising real rights. I think we need people who are willing to challenge the status quo like that, because you know what happens more often than "sovereign citizens" causing a real and unnecessary problem? People forfeiting their rights and cops getting away with abusing them. That's a far more rampant problem than a few isolated events where the criminally insane pass themselves off as sovereign citizens because it fits their MO.

while were all rooting for the police here, you should flex your rights. you dont have to be a cunt about it. [video=youtube;i8z7NC5sgik]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=i8z7NC5sgik[/video]

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;48196072]How can you become this deluded? Fucks sake, some people are just really, really stupid.[/QUOTE] There are people that have taken certain issues to court and sovereign citizens think that the resolve of these issues set a precedent for them to break laws. I only watched the first incident in the video, and it seems like he was trying to set up a conversation with the officer explaining that he isn't a "driver" by the definition of some edition of Black's law dictionary in which a "Driver" is defined as someone payed to transport goods for an established business, like truck drivers. Theres more to it, but basically what it comes down to, in his mind, is that since laws regarding vehicles explicitly use the term "driver", he is not subject to such laws. Jokes on him though, he literally signed a paper subjecting himself to those laws, he can't really describe himself as a sovereign anymore. These people think that they can get away with shit because someone went to court for years to prove that a law they broke wasn't relevant to them, and now everyone can use a few buzzwords to get out of a speeding ticket.

It's also unfortunate to see how many people think cops are on their side. They aren't. The same man I mentioned in my previous post once spent 7 months being shuffled around in the prison system without a trial, all because some crack heads randomly attacked him on the street. The officers lied and said they found drugs on him. He eventually got his court date because his friends got activists involved and they made a big stink about it, but it took them 7 months to find him after all the shuffling. He filed a motion for the police to produce evidence and they could not, so he was released, although he was still put on probation even though no crime was committed. It's is an officers job to arrest people. They aren't there to help, and they aren't your friend. I've met some cool cops but if you go around assuming they aren't pricks, one of them is going to nail you. For my own personal story, I am RIGHT NOW fleeing my state because the police have been unable to protect me from a violent and murderous roommate. I called them to my home a dozen times when the roommate would invite her scumbag traveling friends over to threaten my life and attack me. One time the roommate and her friends came over and ruined a shop we had set up in the backyard, destroying thousands of dollars of equipment, while my boyfriend tried to defend himself since he was trapped inside. The best the cops could do is arrest everyone involved and release them that night. We even had audio recordings of them making death threats at me and the cops couldn't do a damn thing. In fact, they threatened to arrest ME for recording them, even though the threats were directed straight at me! I had to pull up the penal code and run it by the sergeant just so that I didn't get landed in prison with eavesdropping charges! It's ridiculous just how useless they are, and just how fucked you might be if you let them trample you. [editline]15th July 2015[/editline] One more thing I would point out since it ties into all this. Let me throw some stats at you: It's troubling to me that we live in a country where private prisons spend millions of dollars lobbying for extended and increased incarcerations and they simultaneously make [I]billions[/I] in profit from prisoners. Big names like Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Fidelity Investments, General Electric and The Vanguard Group are some of the biggest contributors to the private prison industry. In the past decade the number of inmates in private prisons has risen 44 percent. We have documented cases of judges getting paid off for sending people to prison. The US has 716 prisoners for every 100,000 people, which is higher than both Russian and Africa. Europe is just over 100! You could combine every first world country on Earth and it wouldn't match America's numbers! We are stealing people's lives away, and we are making a big fat fucking profit off it. It's a real thing that is happening every day and being swept under the rug. Also funny that 40% of prisoners are black, for no great reason. So we are needlessly capturing mostly black people and making a big profit off of them. Does that sound familiar to you?

[QUOTE=Foogooman;48210241]It's also unfortunate to see how many people think cops are on their side. They aren't. The same man I mentioned in my previous post once spent 7 months being shuffled around in the prison system without a trial, all because some crack heads randomly attacked him on the street. The officers lied and said they found drugs on him. He eventually got his court date because his friends got activists involved and they made a big stink about it, but it took them 7 months to find him after all the shuffling. He filed a motion for the police to produce evidence and they could not, so he was released, although he was still put on probation even though no crime was committed. It's is an officers job to arrest people. They aren't there to help, and they aren't your friend. I've met some cool cops but if you go around assuming they aren't pricks, one of them is going to nail you. For my own personal story, I am RIGHT NOW fleeing my state because the police have been unable to protect me from a violent and murderous roommate. I called them to my home a dozen times when the roommate would invite her scumbag traveling friends over to threaten my life and attack me. One time the roommate and her friends came over and ruined a shop we had set up in the backyard, destroying thousands of dollars of equipment, while my boyfriend tried to defend himself since he was trapped inside. The best the cops could do is arrest everyone involved and release them that night. We even had audio recordings of them making death threats at me and the cops couldn't do a damn thing. In fact, they threatened to arrest ME for recording them, even though the threats were directed straight at me! I had to pull up the penal code and run it by the sergeant just so that I didn't get landed in prison with eavesdropping charges! It's ridiculous just how useless they are, and just how fucked you might be if you let them trample you. [editline]15th July 2015[/editline] One more thing I would point out since it ties into all this. Let me throw some stats at you: It's troubling to me that we live in a country where private prisons spend millions of dollars lobbying for extended and increased incarcerations and they simultaneously make [I]billions[/I] in profit from prisoners. Big names like Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Fidelity Investments, General Electric and The Vanguard Group are some of the biggest contributors to the private prison industry. In the past decade the number of inmates in private prisons has risen 44 percent. We have documented cases of judges getting paid off for sending people to prison. The US has 716 prisoners for every 100,000 people, which is higher than both Russian and Africa. Europe is just over 100! You could combine every first world country on Earth and it wouldn't match America's numbers! We are stealing people's lives away, and we are making a big fat fucking profit off it. It's a real thing that is happening every day and being swept under the rug. Also funny that 40% of prisoners are black, for no great reason. So we are needlessly capturing mostly black people and making a big profit off of them. Does that sound familiar to you?[/QUOTE] it isn't an officer's job to arrest people i'm very critical of the police but even I realize that a vast majority of them are decent people who aren't out to ruin your life and throw you in prison i've been given a ride home by a police officer while very drunk, underage, after a fight broke out at a party and the cops were called. they could've slammed me with an MIP - they didn't. i've been pulled over while hotboxing in a friend's car and the cop chose to let us go even though it very obviously smelled like weed - he didn't care and he didn't want to ruin our lives over a tail-light being out. i've been pulled over while passing through a local park at night after it was closed, cop just asked me questions, could've ticketed me in half a second, instead just asked some simple questions and I cooperated and was friendly and he let me off with a friendly goodbye and that was it. he saw my pocket lining and thought it was a baggy of weed or something, i pulled my pocket out and showed him it was just the pocket itself, no issue whatsoever. some cops are dickholes and cops do unfairly target minorities (and I realize I've avoided jail by being white), but the vast majority are just people doing their jobs. if a cop asks if you have weapons in your vehicle and you shut up and go "i'd like to see a lawyer this is illegal you are breaking my rights" instead of going "yes" or "no" or just answering truthfully and cooperating and being friendly, you're the one who's complicating the entire interaction and making it needlessly hostile. if a cop starts breaching your rights once you've done the very basic cooperations (like showing some ID ffs), then you can shut down and contact a lawyer and build a defense. bitching about having to show your ID at a traffic stop and trying to argue the legality of a law against an officer who is sworn to uphold the law (no matter if it is constitutional or not) is just being a confrontational asshole.

I don't understand how these people can be this dilusional. Protesting your rights against unfair officers is one thing, but going so far as to not answer basic questions that can prevent getting you into trouble in the first place by simply being obedient is so alien to me.

[QUOTE=Sharkcheater;48210188]while were all rooting for the police here, you should flex your rights. you dont have to be a cunt about it. [video=youtube;i8z7NC5sgik]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=i8z7NC5sgik[/video][/QUOTE] unless you're getting pulled over for a bullshit reason and you know it, or you committed a serious offense, you can... oh I don't know... comply with the cops? they need your license and registration? don't make a fuss about it, just give it to 'em and let them do their job. they want to get you going as quick as you want to. and complying with them helps. hell, being nice to a cop can save you from a ticket. and if it's a serious offense, IE: being near the scene of a murder, just comply and answer questions etc. cops aren't evil people that are out to arrest and shoot everyone, they try to keep the peace and help. yes, there are some cops out there that take the job in a different direction, and can be dicks, but they can be in the minority. most cops I've seen/talked to always are happy as long as they know the person they're talking to isn't an ass who says shit like "I ain't talking" when it's a simple thing like running a red light or going 20 over the limit.

[QUOTE=Sharkcheater;48210188]while were all rooting for the police here, you should flex your rights. you dont have to be a cunt about it. [video=youtube;i8z7NC5sgik]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=i8z7NC5sgik[/video][/QUOTE] [B]But why?[/B] What do you have to gain to being a complete dickwad in a routine traffic stop? Just show your ID and be polite about it, it will take two seconds as opposed to 15 minutes when you have to make things difficult like an unruly child. But I don't live in America, climate is probably different, but the cops here are really chill and understanding a lot of the time.

[QUOTE=Jojje;48211433][B]But why?[/B] What do you have to gain to being a complete dickwad in a routine traffic stop? Just show your ID and be polite about it, it will take two seconds as opposed to 15 minutes when you have to make things difficult like an unruly child. But I don't live in America, climate is probably different, but the cops here are really chill and understanding a lot of the time.[/QUOTE] cops here are understanding too, it's that people here learn stuff in government regarding the constitution and immediately assume they can say "dude 5th amendment man I can't show my ID now" as if it does anything. literally you can get done with a traffic stop in 5 minutes here if you comply, and if you don't, then I hope you have insurance because cops here will not resist smashing your window in because you're being a child over a traffic infraction.

[QUOTE=Sharkcheater;48210188]while were all rooting for the police here, you should flex your rights. you dont have to be a cunt about it. [video=youtube;i8z7NC5sgik]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=i8z7NC5sgik[/video][/QUOTE] "flex your rights" is a hilarious term. "be an uncooperative dickhead for no reason" is a better description.

The correct way to get arrested [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbVJU1CuM0Q[/media]

[QUOTE=smurfy;48212822]The correct way to get arrested [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbVJU1CuM0Q[/media][/QUOTE] At least his accent sounds good