Why Do YouTubers Become Assholes? -- TotalBiscuit, Taciturnity, & Traps - General

Does TB still identify as a toaster? [editline]15th August 2017[/editline] Someone has to ask the [i]real[/i] hard hitting questions here.

traps is not related to transgenderism. i dont know where this idea came from

I don't believe anyone here ever questioned your... uh, expertise?

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52576651]Go to 4chan, you'll see even less effort to do so. [/QUOTE] Go to 4chan and you are greeted with mental gymnastics too. [t]http://i.imgur.com/CLOhIht.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52576028]Um are we browsing the same internet?[/QUOTE] Yes, yes we are. The context you're floating over in your giant round of confirmation bias is "the meme" isn't a meme at all, except in to 4/8chan, which was touched by about 5% of this video. The rest of this video is keemstar level dramablahmb wherein it is posited by SFO that all internet heroes should be exactly like you and they should like all the things you like and react to everything to react to in exactly the same way you do in order to keep your [I]theoretical internet dollars[/I] in their pocket. Last time I checked most "internet personalities" are composed of human beings whom have their own lives and own way of viewing the world and last time I checked are not beholden to SFO. For anything. For morality, for presentation style or subject matter. Secondly SFO pads the facts as if just recently the two people in question just suddenly [I]*transformed into assholes*[/I] all dramatically in a poof of smoke on live tv when TB removed comments over two years ago, and made a two hour long video about pretty much exactly this subject and that he will for better or worse continue to do things his way, and will choose his own context to react to things, even if it's a subject he is not fully knowledgeable of, as is happened here. You then posit that TB and Cox should know exactly what a trap is when even three years ago the definition wasn't what it is right now, and in asia (ironic that SFO, a group of self possessed or professed weebs) particularly the definition hasn't moved much at all beyond the not so pleasant one, again in pretty much any and every area of the world where no one gives the slightest fuck about 4chan or has even heard of it. That a guy on the internet who makes money from giving game impressions should be exactly like you and like exactly what you like the way you like it and not get mad about people at a convention he "attends" shoveling a laymaymay into a Q and A with a :leer face: is the "end of an era for internet youtubers" is something a fifteen year old would be mad about. Tell ya what why don't you put up a ten hour youtube of you asking people in NYC how relevant 4chan lolitrap memes are, and see if you can even get a half hour of anyone knowing what the fuck you're talking about, much less caring about it, much less caring about whether or not your favorite youtuber gives a shit about it. This could have been a ten second video showing a mouse clicking on unsubscribe with "I don't like TB anymore" and probably gotten a hell of a lot more views and more importantly had an actual point relevant to anything.

[QUOTE=Talishmar;52575990]TotalBiscuit didn't become, but always was an "asshole", but he's learned to manage it with varying success. If this guy's really been following him for years that's something he for certain has noticed and has had to accept. His reaction to this coxcon drama is disappointing but isn't indicative of some paradigm shift. I hope.[/QUOTE] Totally agree with this. Nothing changed with TB, I didn't expect him to go in this direction but it's not completely unexpected from someone like him.

I thought the traps-r-gay things was just a meme how could anyone even take it seriously [editline]15th August 2017[/editline] Laura reacting way out of proportion doesn't really surprise me She has this need to apologize and spend 30 minutes explaining herself after making the simplest joke on the podquisition, its the one thing that totally ruins it. One joke that is clearly a joke and the rest of the podcast is explaining what they're doing. It's so tense and unrelaxed.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52576651][img]http://i.imgur.com/SbHFjrM.png[/img][/QUOTE] "Users\Family"

[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;52576798]"Users\Family"[/QUOTE] its a very open and accepting family

Youtubers don't become assholes, it just brings their real personality out when they get famous enough that consequences matter less and less. Why hold back your actions when you're big enough that consequences no longer matter? Not only that, but they deal with more stress from fame, that also brings their real selves out. [editline]15th August 2017[/editline] Regardless of how nice someone was as the underdog, their true self shows when they hit it big. Just look at Boogie2988, he's still as amazing and friendly as he ever was because that was always his real self.

I don't understand how this is even an issue to anyone properly educated on the topic. Other people have distinguished the differences between the two many times in this thread so I honestly don't feel the need to basically repeat the same thing, but I guess I'll throw in my two cents on the matter. Maybe get some thoughts off my mind. I definitely agree that calling trans people "traps" is rather rude/offensive and I definitely wouldn't do it to anyone I knew was trans, but it's all about intent, and a lot of people who use it to refer to trans people are doing so from a position of ignorance, that can be pretty easily corrected by just informing them politely. I was in this camp of ignorance before but that's because I didn't really know anything about trans issues at all. When I found out about it my position on the subject mellowed out significantly, and I began spotting specific examples of trans people in anime and manga that I would just call "traps" and jack off to before. Just being informed about something you're ignorant of should be enough to convince a lot of people but no one tries that angle anymore. The reason this sort of reactionary behavior always happens is, from my experience from associating with/seeing these types of people is it comes from a position of anger and that begets denouncing and publicly shaming before trying to inform and educate. Hence giving birth to the whole "I don't need to waste my time educating you" response that's become a sort of meme. This type of behavior needs to stop being the common precedent already, but then again what I'm basically advocating for is for people to be nice and reasonable on the internet in regards to subjects relevant to the current political climate and that's pretty impossible. I'll admit though that I also got caught into this type of behavior briefly before doing some introspection and realizing how many unnecessary bridges I've burned completely to the ground. No one ever seems to try and just have a conversation and discuss topics anymore. It always has to be "my way or the highway." In fact in one of my former cliques it's almost laughed at it if you even attempt to have discourse at all instead of immediately conforming to the hivemind, and being in that suffocating environment where I felt like I couldn't talk about anything without being made fun of was horrible, so I eventually left that group. [QUOTE=J!NX;52576823]Youtubers don't become assholes, it just brings their real personality out when they get famous enough that consequences matter less and less. Why hold back your actions when you're big enough that consequences no longer matter? Not only that, but they deal with more stress from fame, that also brings their real selves out. [editline]15th August 2017[/editline] Regardless of how nice someone was as the underdog, their true self shows when they hit it big. Just look at Boogie2988, he's still as amazing and friendly as he ever was because that was always his real self.[/QUOTE] I always thought it was the other way around for most. People act recklessly when they're not in the eyes of many and once they grow large enough they can't afford to act immature or non-professional once they reach a certain level.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52575610]gonna quote this for posterity sake trap isnt a slur, but using it to refer to trans people is rude as FUCK if they themselves arent ok with it implying that "trap means trans people" is fuckin stupid[/QUOTE] Not trying to zing you or anything, but when and where did people start calling trans people traps? I've only seen it refer to anime tropes, and I don't frequent or delve into other communities other than facepunch which is supportive of trans people. I've never heard it refer to real people before.

I was a (presenting) male makeup artist for a while and a surprising amount of people will straight up say "Makeup? So are you trans or..." Edit: For clarity, I was reacting the idea that I've also never heard people refer to trans people as trap. But on the other hand I met a ton of people that think every makeup artist is either a woman or trans so I wouldn't put it passed them.

[QUOTE=zanahorowa;52578125] I always thought it was the other way around for most. People act recklessly when they're not in the eyes of many and once they grow large enough they can't afford to act immature or non-professional once they reach a certain level.[/QUOTE] I guess it depends on how worried that person is about apperances the more people watching you, the more mistakes you make in your brain that you replay over and over again and try and rework every scenario in every possible way

so, are traps gay or not?

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;52578216]Not trying to zing you or anything, but when and where did people start calling trans people traps? I've only seen it refer to anime tropes, and I don't frequent or delve into other communities other than facepunch which is supportive of trans people. I've never heard it refer to real people before.[/QUOTE] Probably about when trap culture became a thing. People who are ignorant about trans issues but only know traps will equate the two without doing research. They see someone biologically male yet passes as a female and they use the appropriate term they've acquired to describe them.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52575610]implying that "trap means trans people" is fuckin stupid[/QUOTE] I've actually seen that implications multiple times, tbh. The more hardcore fans of "traps" don't agree with that implication, but it's not uncommon at all. I mean hell, look at (NSFW)[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/traps/"] /r/traps[/URL]. Whatever you want to think about reddit, it's significant and moderately representative. What confuses me is some trans women posted pictures of themselves to this subreddit, where you'd think they're refuse to support a subreddit based on a "slur?" Then again, I've heard of transwomen having no problems calling themselves trannies, and performing for porn studios that use the term "shemale."

I didn't know there was a distinction between traps and trans women until I saw this video. I don't know where the joke originally came from, but I first heard 'trap' used as a joke when I was in middle school; people would just quote Admiral Akbar's "It's a trap!" in context to seeing a trans woman or dude in drag. And now its seemed to have evolved into "are traps gay?/traps are gay". Either way the joke is still the same whether your talking about trans women or men in drag, as no straight male could ever say yes to cock. Originally the humor in the joke was seeing someone getting fooled/tricked by someone else trying to pass as female.

Totalbiscuit has always been an asshole with a chip on his shoulder, years before he even became big on youtube, I don't have it handy but there's a big long winded post he's made on another forum talking how smart he is, and he got banned for his dumbass post. It's just nowadays he's an asshole with a chip on shoulder and an audience that he mostly hates.

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;52578216]Not trying to zing you or anything, but when and where did people start calling trans people traps? I've only seen it refer to anime tropes, and I don't frequent or delve into other communities other than facepunch which is supportive of trans people. I've never heard it refer to real people before.[/QUOTE] Back in like 2005 (or whenever the hell Admiral Akbar became a meme) some people used trap exclusively as a term for trans people (and sometimes hermaphrodites, anything with a dick that wasn't male, really), but for the most part that stopped as soon as the Akbar meme died.

[QUOTE=Talishmar;52575990]TotalBiscuit didn't become, but always was an "asshole", but he's learned to manage it with varying success. If this guy's really been following him for years that's something he for certain has noticed and has had to accept. His reaction to this coxcon drama is disappointing but isn't indicative of some paradigm shift. I hope.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. People like to act like he's just suddenly become this massive asshole but he always has been, he's the Cynical Brit. And frankly him being a bit of an asshole is part of what got him things to begin with.

I know people who think I'm the scum of the Earth because I like wearing girly clothes because they're cute, and in turn make me feel cute. My last two partners both encouraged it, and crossdressing for fun really helped my self esteem, but now I've got people that constantly shit on me for it because I'm belittling the struggle of trans people and it just makes me feel like shit. [sp]Also, traps are gay. TB and Jesse overreacted.[/sp]

[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;52578964]Pretty much this. People like to act like he's just suddenly become this massive asshole but he always has been, he's the Cynical Brit. And frankly him being a bit of an asshole is part of what got him things to begin with.[/QUOTE] Sure he's always been an asshole, but recently he's been bit of an unhinged asshole. Dude has a meltdown every week or so.

[QUOTE=Destroyox;52578985]Sure he's always been an asshole, but recently he's been bit of an unhinged asshole. Dude has a meltdown every week or so.[/QUOTE] Dude's been running a channel for, what, a decade or so now amidst other projects and general old channel fatigue, as well as battling cancer and numerous other things. It's pretty understandable that he's not the most composed person at all times. I mean hell I lose my shit if I see something too cute or if something small happens like I dropped a bowl of cereal, can't even imagine that constant threat of death he had to deal with. Don't get me wrong, having problems doesn't give you carte blanch to be a total knob all the time but some leeway is understandable.

What is this weekly meltdown that TotalBiscuit had? All I've been seeing for the past few months was him doing his usual thing outside of this recent "meltdown".

[QUOTE=Matrix374;52579276]What is this weekly meltdown that TotalBiscuit had? All I've been seeing for the past few months was him doing his usual thing outside of this recent "meltdown".[/QUOTE] Have you seen his podcast lately? Especially during the Hellblade discussion he became absolutely insufferable.

[QUOTE=uber.;52579401]Have you seen his podcast lately? Especially during the Hellblade discussion he became absolutely insufferable.[/QUOTE] Also during the stream sniping debate. I'm paraphrasing here, but he said something along the lines of "if you want to interact with chat in your stream you are a bad entertainer" (because he doesn't do that and is a good entertainer ofc) and completely ignoring people like Dodger who are great at talking to their chat.

[QUOTE=Robber;52579406]I'm paraphrasing here, but he said something along the lines of "if you want to interact with chat in your stream you are a bad entertainer"[/QUOTE] Very paraphrased, that wasn't what he was saying at all. He was saying that if your success is based [i]entirely[/i] on how much you interact with chat, then you're probably not a good entertainer. He acknowledged streamers like Dodger and Strippin who interact when they can but are just as successful when they don't, because they're entertaining personalities. [QUOTE=uber.;52579401]Have you seen his podcast lately? Especially during the Hellblade discussion he became absolutely insufferable.[/QUOTE] That wasn't really any more of a meltdown than his usual rants honestly.

[QUOTE=kobalt;52578970]I know people who think I'm the scum of the Earth because I like wearing girly clothes because they're cute, and in turn make me feel cute. My last two partners both encouraged it, and crossdressing for fun really helped my self esteem, but now I've got people that constantly shit on me for it because I'm belittling the struggle of trans people and it just makes me feel like shit. [sp]Also, traps are gay. TB and Jesse overreacted.[/sp][/QUOTE] Are these people who shit on your people in real life, or? Because I'm gender nonconforming as well, and all the hate I've experienced came from outside queer circles. The most I've seen was people saying "drag queens encourage transphobia," but that's talking about drag queens specifically and their culture, not feminine men (I'm not talking about whether or not drag queens link to transphobia, just that I've never seen femme men under that same fire). I don't wish to devalue your experience, though; just curious for elaboration.

[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;52579835]Maybe it's just me but that's an even worse thing to say.[/QUOTE] I don't agree with TB's view on the matter, but I think it's worth noting that he didn't say "entertainer" he said "presenter", which I think holds a [I]little [/I]more merit. The way I interpret that is that a presenter seems more like some one who speaks [I]to [/I]an audience rather than [I]with [/I]them, if that makes sense. So to say you might not be very good at presenting if you can't present solely on your own sounds a little more reasonable. Keep in mind he has his backround rooted in radio and youtube, so chat interaction to him is not a necessary part of doing his job. And considering when he does stream he avoids interaction completely, he can't look at it from any other angle. I think it's a short sighted view to have that ignores a lot of the realities in the twitch community, and I certainly don't agree with it, but I can see how he came to think that way. I like TB a lot, but I'll admit he says a lot of things I don't agree with or even find ridiculous, and he can very stubborn in looking at things from other perspectives.