[QUOTE=danelo;36387020]Why should you trust them? They have been lying about everything for a good 10 years now.
And what's with the generalizations?
At least I have questions rather than just name calling.[/QUOTE]
Lying about everything? You mean the government that puts TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS into social services to help people down on their luck/just plain fucking lazy? Yes, they are all a bunch of evil monsters right? Every single one of them is crazy, right? You don't even know what they do for you, and you bash them, talk about spoiled.
[editline]18th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;36387065]I like how it's either few extremists or the entire US government. It can't be elements within the government. The entire government has to be behind this with the president giving the order.
Some religious fanatics from a small village in middle east got into some planes with knives, hijacked them, and flew them into the buildings while fooling and evading the US military. Is that what you're saying? You make it sound terrifyingly easy. I mean, anyone can do that then.[/QUOTE]
They didn't have extreme security until after 9/11, they were pretty damn lax about it all because they didn't believe anything could go wrong...why the planes weren't shot down, I'm sure there's a logical reason, just like there's a logical reason behind every paranoid claim you guys make.
[QUOTE=danelo;36387020]Why should you trust them? They have been lying about everything for a good 10 years now.
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[QUOTE=danelo;36387020]
And what's with the generalizations? [/QUOTE]
What, indeed?
I love the wtc 7 gif that appears a few times
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI[/media]
[QUOTE=Clementine;36387075]They didn't have extreme security until after 9/11, they were pretty damn lax about it all because they didn't believe anything could go wrong...[/QUOTE]
They didn't think that anyone could hijack a plane and crash it into a building? I've been doing that in video games since they've put a building and a plane in one game. The fucking department of defense (or whoever is responsible) didn't think that it would happen? And they already took things like that into the account before 9/11 what are you talking about?
[QUOTE=Clementine;36387075]why the planes weren't shot down, I'm sure there's a logical reason, just like there's a logical reason behind every paranoid claim you guys make.[/QUOTE]
"I'm sure there is a logical reason" really? And you're going to tell other people that they're pulling things out their asses?
[QUOTE=danelo;36387020]Why should you trust them? They have been lying about everything for a good 10 years now.
And what's with the generalizations?
At least I have questions rather than just name calling.[/QUOTE]
you cant truly be this stupid
give me 10 examples of things they'd truly lied about in the past 10 years GO
[QUOTE=Walrus.;36387165]I love the wtc 7 gif that appears a few times
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI[/media][/QUOTE]
Allow me to retaliate!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX8Qd0Mmk20[/media]
[QUOTE=Death_God;36387350]you cant truly be this stupid
give me 10 examples of things they'd truly lied about in the past 10 years GO[/QUOTE]
Are you implying that certain areas of your government have never lied ever? Well the most notable things are the Wars and Economy.
[QUOTE=Pantz76;36386409]9/11 conspiracy theorists are very good at deciphering the tiny details about the event itself. What they fail to do time and time again is find a reasonable motive for why the US government would have committed the attacks.[/QUOTE]
You make sense, I thought this was the don't make sense thread.
[QUOTE=danelo;36387407]Allow me to retaliate!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX8Qd0Mmk20[/media]
Are you implying that certain areas of your government have never lied ever? Well the most notable things are the Wars and Economy.[/QUOTE]
"Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth"
uh....
The problem with 9/11 is that, while the official story sounds rather shady and iffy around the corners, somewhat hard to believe; then any and all alternatives proposed are just right out there as batshit insane, baseless bullshit. So let's just go with Occam's razor and take the less crazy explanation.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;36385952]I hate conspiracy shit because a lot of it is just fucking crazy like fanatics with these weather changing gem stones that film clouds and how government helicopters spy on them while spewing chem trails.
But 9/11 has always been incredibly shady and the "true" story is just fucking stupid, how can a few guys with fucking boxcutters go up against probably 80-100 people per plane and succeed? If they had automatic guns I could understand, but fucking boxcutters? Three people could have rushed them and took them out, ya someone would have been stabbed but better than dying regardless into some buildings.
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Most hijackings that had occurred before 9/11 involved the planes being landed and the passengers ransomed. The people on the first 2 flights had no idea what was about to happen.
In fact on Flight 93, and likely on the other flights, the passengers were told that there was a bomb on the plane and that they would be returning to the airport to have their demands met. The difference was that by the time Flight 93 was hijacked, many of the passengers had already heard about the World Trade Center attacks and realized they were lying, so they attempted to take back control of the plane.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;36385952]
And why is it the plane headed for the white-house the only one that failed, and why was the one into the pentagon pretty lackluster in terms of damage.[/QUOTE]
As I said, Passengers on Flight 93 already knew what was going to happen to them if they didn't try to fight back. As for the pentagon, the section it hit was being remodeled to be much stronger.
[quote=wikipedia] had been reconstructed with a web of steel columns and bars to withstand bomb blasts. The steel reinforcement, bolted together to form a continuous structure through all of the Pentagon's five floors, kept that section of the building from collapsing for 30 minutes—enough time for hundreds of people to crawl out to safety. The area struck by the plane also had blast-resistant windows—2 inches thick and 2,500 pounds each—that stayed intact during the crash and fire. It had fire doors that opened automatically and newly built exits that allowed people to get out." [/quote]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36387476]"Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth"
uh....[/QUOTE]
Ugh just watch the video.
they love their country i mean real love, every day love. you cant kill the LOVE
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36387476]"Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth"
uh....[/QUOTE]
I swear I've heard of them. IIRC, they weren't real architects.
So much bullshit in one video...
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8VAsoVuShM[/media]
[QUOTE=danelo;36387538]Ugh just watch the video.[/QUOTE]
I did.
He just dances around the topic and spews bullshit as he goes.
[QUOTE=danelo;36387407]Allow me to retaliate!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX8Qd0Mmk20[/media]
Are you implying that certain areas of your government have never lied ever? Well the most notable things are the Wars and Economy.[/QUOTE]
I don't think your video will win, Edward Current already said the exact reason it fell, and debunked everything conspiracy theorists will say, you lose.
[QUOTE=Clementine;36387602]I don't think your video will win, Edward Current already said the exact reason it fell, and debunked everything conspiracy theorists will say, you lose.[/QUOTE]
If I lose then the laws of physics have to be rewritten. Remember that thing I wrote before how people will REFUSE to see things differently, you are a prime example of that because you didn't even watch the video.
Debunking a conspiracy theory just [i]because[/i] it's a conspiracy theory is very ignorant too.
Once people realize that the world will be a better place.
[QUOTE=danelo;36387635]If I lose then the laws of physics have to be rewritten. Remember that thing I wrote before how people will REFUSE to see things differently, you are a prime example of that because you didn't even watch the video.[/QUOTE]
So wait you know that he didn't watch the video.
How.
WAIT
You have to be..
no...
you can't be...
[I]one of them[/I]
So while wtc 7 was on fire for around 7 hours, they managed to detonate charges that nobody knew about/has proof of other than speculations from external footage of the collapse and bring it down. The people who set out to "find the truth" about these things just hear what they want to hear. They only recognize the evidence that supports them, regardless of the content. Edward Current's fake video is a good example of this, the youtube community swarmed over it without even checking the source.
ffs it was terrorists
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36387594]I did.
He just dances around the topic and spews bullshit as he goes.[/QUOTE]
What was he wrong about?
[QUOTE=Walrus.;36387764]So while wtc 7 was on fire for around 7 hours, they managed to detonate charges that nobody knew about/has proof of other than speculations from external footage of the collapse and bring it down. The people who set out to "find the truth" about these things just hear what they want to hear. They only recognize the evidence that supports them, regardless of the content. Edward Current's fake video is a good example of this, the youtube community swarmed over it without even checking the source.[/QUOTE]
There are a few people who were in the towers that claim it was explosions (several years after the fact, often changing from their original story), but that is very easily explained by the unreliability of witness testimony over time.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36387594]I did.
He just dances around the topic and spews bullshit as he goes.[/QUOTE]
Plenty of it too.
He mentions the pilots only trained on Cessnas-No they didn't, they specifically used commercial aircraft simulators as well.
he talks about wtc7, even though any proof of controlled demolition is bullshit-All evidence at the scene showed that the building fell at an asymmetrical fashion, the video of wtc7 he shows also specifically cuts out the initial part (showing how the building is slowly collapsing in parts). There is also no way the charges and wires set in the building could survive a 7 hour fire raging through the entire building (and all detonate at the same time, no less), let alone the fact that someone, somehow, managed to plant hundreds of explosive devices and wires throughout a busy trade center building without anyone noticing-seriously, did he never see a documentary about building demolition or something? You have to drill through walls, attach wires to all of them and place shaped charges on exposed parts all over the building.
He says the planes "evaded" fighter pilots-Does he even fucking know how many flights are in the air at any given moment above the western part of the US? Tens of thousands. In order to catch a renegade flight, you must-
1. Have an air traffic controller actually identify the fact that an aircraft is off course/disappeared, which takes time
2. Once it has been identified, he needs to contact the airforce, which takes time
3. The airforce needs to decide if they want to try and shoot it down or not, which takes time
4. in case the airforce does want to try and shoot it down, they give the order to prepare and scramble jets, which [b]takes time[/b].
All of which the wtc and pentagon didn't have.
He says a plane hijacking using knives couldn't be successful. Why? Banks have been fucking robbed with less. The first thing the hijackers did when they took over was stabbing a random person and killing him. Do you really want to fuck with them after that and play hero, or wait till they land at an airport and wait to be rescued?
He says the answer of "who caused the attacks" was distributed to the media fast. This is just plain bullshit. The media just blames whoever is most likely to do that kind of stuff (remember, this wasn't the first time the wtc was attacked by Bin Laden). Sometimes they get it right, and this time they did.
Also, non of the Seal Team 6 members who participated in the attack on Osama Bin-Ladens compound were kiled in a helicopter crash. Seal team 6 isn't just 10 guys, it's an entire fucking unit.
[QUOTE=lotusking;36386098][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act[/url]
[editline]18th June 2012[/editline]
instead of calling it "stupid" or a "crazy conspiracy theory"
how about you actually challenge the points he brought up??[/QUOTE]
We've done this in the past. Hell, I can link you to threads on FP where we've done it. Truthers are impossible to talk too, they'll either ignore your points or take them completely out of context and change the subject.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;36387949]Plenty of it too.
He mentions the pilots only trained on Cessnas-No they didn't, they...[/QUOTE]
The other video. the one where a physicist explains how buildings cannot fall through themselves in free fall. There wasn't a "slow decent" and he also proves that the NIST report was false, suggesting that the acceleration of the building was collapsing at just 51% of the acceleration of gravity when the video shows clearly a different story.
[QUOTE=danelo;36388085]The other video. the one where a physicist explains how buildings cannot fall through themselves in free fall. There wasn't a "slow decent" and he also proves that the NIST report was false, suggesting that the acceleration of the building was collapsing at just 51% of the acceleration of gravity when the video shows clearly a different story.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HLDgjYuRHk[/media]
Please, explain to me then how the building was demolished from the inside, how explosives were placed in the building without anyone noticing, and how the detonators and explosives survived a 7 hour fire.
For example. Here:
[QUOTE=Ruzza;35754990]Have you seen the picture of the steel cut diagonally so each level slides off?
[img]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg27/scaled.php?server=27&filename=clipimage002rxe.jpg&res=landing[/img][/QUOTE]
User #1 claims this image is conclusive proof thermite was used to take down the buildings.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;35755476]That was done after the collapse by Rescue workers to clear debris. I have video of them making those diagonal cuts, they do it so that the debris fell in a certain direction.[/QUOTE]
User #2 attempts to refute his claim, because he took the photo completely out of context.
[QUOTE=Ruzza;35756682][img]http://americanbuilt.us/images/911/evidence-of-thermite.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
User #2 blindly believes his claim and posts another picture, again taken out of context. Rather than asking for source material or prove of User #2's claim.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;35762501]
Also regarding the 'thermite cuts'
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySHgiUxnLC0[/media][/QUOTE]
User #2 proves that User #1 is wrong.
User #1 promptly leaves the thread never to return.
The alternative thing for Truthers to is change the subject or explain it away with an equally ridiculous theory.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U[/media]
I always wondered why conspiracy theorists always show just one side of wtc7.
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