• The 911 Conspiracy Theory Explained in 5 Minutes
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It's pathetic and quite embarrassing that people still think that the whole thing wasn't a cover up. Makes me sick
This thread is full of idiots. The US is doing a remarkably good job at making things seem suspicious. And while the [B]Illuminati probably isn't behind it[/B], they should just pull up the curtains. A lot about what he says regarding the official "investigation" is true.
[QUOTE=Adius Shadow;36389112]It's pathetic and quite embarrassing that people still think that the whole thing wasn't a cover up. Makes me sick[/QUOTE] I hope you're kidding, especially after we debunked most of the common myths right here in this thread
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36389116]This thread is full of idiots. The US is doing a remarkably good job at making things seem suspicious. And while the Illuminati probably isn't behind it, they should just pull up the curtains. A lot about what he says regarding the official "investigation" is true.[/QUOTE] as long as there's an uneducated opinion on the internet, there'll be a horrible, long and pointless argument that follows behind it.
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36389116]This thread is full of idiots. The US is doing a remarkably good job at making things seem suspicious. And while the Illuminati probably isn't behind it, they should just pull up the curtains. A lot about what he says regarding the official "investigation" is true.[/QUOTE] ??? You too, I think? This seems more like satire, than anything...
Anyone claiming that there isn't [B]A LOT[/B] about 9/11 that's shady is just plain dumb. And while this doesn't prove anything, it should be the governments responsibility to clear it up and provide some answers. Remember this idea of a government being supposed to represent the people's interests?
[QUOTE=Adius Shadow;36389112]It's pathetic and quite embarrassing that people still think that the whole thing wasn't a cover up. Makes me sick[/QUOTE] what's pathetic is the superiority complex, "black sheep" narcissism that truthers have, preventing them from honestly questioning things. i was a truther too, until i started looking at the other side of the argument, i.e. people countering truther bullshit. unanimously the anti-truthers were more open, transparent, using less hype/scare tactics and no deceiving video editing, and best of all: they weren't trying to capitalize on the fears and insecurities of truthers. generally when someone's career relies on telling you the government is evil no questions asked, you should take what they say with a bowl of salt. (alex jones for one)
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36389161]Anyone claiming that there isn't [B]A LOT[/B] about 9/11 that's shady is just plain dumb. And while this doesn't prove anything, it should be the governments responsibility to clear it up and provide some answers. Remember this idea of a government being supposed to represent the people's interests?[/QUOTE] What exactly has not been cleared up?
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36389116]This thread is full of idiots. The US is doing a remarkably good job at making things seem suspicious. And while the [B]Illuminati probably isn't behind it[/B], they should just pull up the curtains. A lot about what he says regarding the official "investigation" is true.[/QUOTE] there is no illuminati
[QUOTE=scout1;36388936][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI&feature=player_embedded[/url] (linked in this thread) 2:05 [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] In fact you should probably watch that video, because it's clear you didn't when it was posted[/QUOTE] I watched it, I can believe that the building collapsed due to uncontrolled fires. But it cannot collapse at free fall speed without demolition charges. The video says that the building collapsed at 'near free fall speed' when the "conspiracy theory nutjob" uses the same video to prove that it collapsed in free fall speed. And the reason why I keep repeating that is because if a damaged building were to collapse naturally without any explosives "in near free fall speed" there has to be an opposite reaction from concrete being crushed and other things for it to slow down slightly. The video I presented shows that there seemed to be no slowing down at all. And I think that is very unlikely.
In my opinion, he brings up a lot of good points, but I still can't grasp what a possible motive for killing thousands of people could be for the US government.
[QUOTE=danelo;36389225]I watched it, I can believe that the building collapsed due to uncontrolled fires. But it cannot collapse at free fall speed without demolition charges. The video says that the building collapsed at 'near free fall speed' when the "conspiracy theory nutjob" uses the same video to prove that it collapsed in free fall speed. And the reason why I keep repeating that is because if a damaged building were to collapse naturally without any explosives "in near free fall speed" there has to be an opposite reaction from concrete being crushed and other things for it to slow down slightly. The video I presented shows that there seemed to be no slowing down at all. And I think that is very unlikely.[/QUOTE] really? do you know anything about building structures and physics? do you even know that it collapsed at free fall speed? are you sure that, with the internal supports [B]gone[/B] it still isn't able to collapse? or are you just miming the shit you heard from dudes that are trying to sell you their 9/11 DVD's and make you feel special and "awake"
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36389184]I still haven't seen the 'massive amounts of documents being destroyed shortly after 9/11' claim debunked.[/QUOTE] Most 9/11 conspiracy discussion goes like this: [I]-"9/11 is obviously a cover-up. Numerous sources back this up and all the counter-arguments have been debunked."[/I] [I]-"9/11 is obviously [B]not[/B] a cover-up. Numerous sources back this up and all the counter-arguments have been debunked."[/I]
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36389262]Most 9/11 conspiracy discussion goes like this: [I]-"9/11 is obviously a cover-up. Numerous sources back this up and all the counter-arguments have been debunked."[/I] [I]-"9/11 is obviously [B]not[/B] a cover-up. Numerous sources back this up and all the counter-arguments have been debunked."[/I][/QUOTE] maybe if you just read people's opinions and don't research their supposed "counter arguments" yeah
[QUOTE=Riller;36387503]The problem with 9/11 is that, while the official story sounds rather shady and iffy around the corners, somewhat hard to believe; then any and all alternatives proposed are just right out there as batshit insane, baseless bullshit. So let's just go with Occam's razor and take the less crazy explanation.[/QUOTE] I don't see how funding a terrorist cell by someone with power and money who's gonna profit off a war is such an insane idea. I mean the US has spent few trillion dollars? This money went somewhere. Of course I'm not saying that it all went to one pocket, but there has to be someone who got rich on this. Why is that more insane than some angry religious fanatics from a small village in middle east accomplishing all that without funding?
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36389184]I still haven't seen the 'massive amounts of documents being destroyed shortly after 9/11' claim debunked.[/QUOTE] I haven't examined that one in detail, but I would wager that it was routine or done for security benefits, especially after the scare that 9/11 was.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8[/media] watch this, it goes over WTC7 which is the most impressive piece of "evidence" truthers have
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36389257]really? do you know anything about building structures and physics? do you even know that it collapsed at free fall speed? are you sure that, with the internal supports [B]gone[/B] it still isn't able to collapse? or are you just miming the shit you heard from dudes that are trying to sell you their 9/11 DVD's and make you feel special and "awake"[/QUOTE] way to go ruining an attempt at legit discussion
[QUOTE=danelo;36389225]I watched it, I can believe that the building collapsed due to uncontrolled fires. But it cannot collapse at free fall speed without demolition charges. The video says that the building collapsed at 'near free fall speed' when the "conspiracy theory nutjob" uses the same video to prove that it collapsed in free fall speed. And the reason why I keep repeating that is because if a damaged building were to collapse naturally without any explosives "in near free fall speed" there has to be an opposite reaction from concrete being crushed and other things for it to slow down slightly. The video I presented shows that there seemed to be no slowing down at all. And I think that is very unlikely.[/QUOTE] You know what i think is very unlikely a rune goldberg series of monumental fuckups and conspiracies on the part of the US government to kill several thousand of their own people for no good reason
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36389300]way to go ruining an attempt at legit discussion[/QUOTE] uhh why? his entire point relies on shit he hasn't even backed up. his entire theory is based entirely on assumptions formulated on what he considers common sense, in a field of complex physics and geometry that i doubt he has experience in
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[QUOTE=scout1;36389321]You know what i think is very unlikely a rune goldberg series of monumental fuckups and conspiracies on the part of the US government to kill several thousand of their own people for no good reason[/QUOTE] because the us did not want an incentive to invade afghanistan [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;36389298][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8[/media] watch this, it goes over WTC7 which is the most impressive piece of "evidence" truthers have[/QUOTE] biased video here we go
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;36389291]I don't see how funding a terrorist cell by someone with power and money who's gonna profit off a war is such an insane idea. I mean the US has spent few trillion dollars? This money went somewhere. [/QUOTE] This information is publicly available and easily accessible with a google search
[QUOTE=lotusking;36385684][video=youtube;iz0_EWfdEGg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz0_EWfdEGg[/video] but hey anyone who challenges 9/11 is just a fucking crazy conspiracy theorist??[/QUOTE] Probably late, but quite a lot of the information in this video is incorrect, actually all but the most broad details. Unless it's satire, I can't tell. [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1179078]And we already have a thread on this.[/url]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36389330]uhh why? his entire point relies on shit he hasn't even backed up. his entire theory is based entirely on assumptions formulated on what he considers common sense, in a field of complex physics and geometry that i doubt he has experience in[/QUOTE] and do you have these things?
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36389337]because the us did not want an incentive to invade afghanistan [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] biased video here we go[/QUOTE] "wahh you're not contributing to the discussion!!" - video - "its biased bullshit and here's why: _______"
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36389337]because the us did not want an incentive to invade afghanistan [/QUOTE] Why would the U.S want to invade Afghanistan again?
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36389337]because the us did not want an incentive to invade afghanistan [/QUOTE] ??? What benefit have we gained from invading Afghanistan? Security. We debunked a terror cell. If that security is an illusion, why would the US government send troops there and waste thousands of loyal soldiers' lives, billions of dollars, and rip up our international image?
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36389363]and do you have these things?[/QUOTE] i don't think you understand how burden of proof works i don't need to prove that it didn't fall at freefall speed, he does. he's the one claiming it fell at freefall
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36389262]Most 9/11 conspiracy discussion goes like this: [I]-"9/11 is obviously a cover-up. Numerous sources back this up and all the counter-arguments have been debunked."[/I] [I]-"9/11 is obviously [B]not[/B] a cover-up. Numerous sources back this up and all the counter-arguments have been debunked."[/I][/QUOTE] from this thread it seems like "you're wrong! because *statement regurgitated from some form of conspiracy documentary on youtube*" "no, you're wrong! because *statement formed off of baseless accusation, logical fallacy and regurgitated media information*"
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