Wasn't it said that the helicopter crash involving a special forces team, didn't contain the team that raided Osamas hideout? That'd be one thing this video gets wrong. Devil's in the details, even for conspiracy videos.
[QUOTE=Jackald;36396314]I'm not sure about the conspiracy theory, but i'd posit that, if the conspiracy was correct, 9/11 could be used as a scapegoat to restrict freedoms in the USA (*cough*patriotact*cough*) launch an illegal "war on terror" in foreign countries to gather oil reserves and support the US government's military industrial complex.
The USA has had about 12 years of peace where it wasn't at war with anyone since WW2. Much of their economy is based on defense.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but that's the motive I would suggest.[/QUOTE]
You would make a good conspiracy theorist though, glad your on our side :v:
[QUOTE=Jackald;36396314]I'm not sure about the conspiracy theory, but i'd posit that, if the conspiracy was correct, 9/11 could be used as a scapegoat to restrict freedoms in the USA (*cough*patriotact*cough*) launch an illegal "war on terror" in foreign countries to gather oil reserves and support the US government's military industrial complex.
The USA has had about 12 years of peace where it wasn't at war with anyone since WW2. Much of their economy is based on defense.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but that's the motive I would suggest.[/QUOTE]
Except we spent more waging the war than what we would gain from oil profits.
and much of Iraq's oil is a actually going to China and other countries.
So LOL.
If the government did ever want to orchestrate some massive disaster, they should just go right out and say "we did this", then everyone would bicker how terrorists actually did it and then blamed it on the government, they'd be off the hook.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;36397183]Except we spent more waging the war than what we would gain from oil profits.
and much of Iraq's oil is a actually going to China and other countries.
So LOL.[/QUOTE]
you're talking as if the government went to war with iraq with the idea of benefitting the government as a whole. the private military industry made [I]multi-billions[/I] in contracts and government funding, coupled with the fact that they could've used these amounts of money to lobby any amount of propaganda or further funding out of the administration, the intentions (if what i am saying is true) were probably not bush's, but instead someone in a powerful position in private industry.
[QUOTE=samframpton;36397326]If the government did ever want to orchestrate some massive disaster, they should just go right out and say "we did this", then everyone would bicker how terrorists actually did it and then blamed it on the government, they'd be off the hook.[/QUOTE]
admitting it would have a very strange effect on the people of the US, and the world. there would be mass protests and extreme amounts of violence towards the police and army in the middle east, mass protests in the US and a general distrust of any form of administration from across the world. trade routes would falter, tensions between the US and its' potential enemies would grow even further, and admitting that they caused 9/11 themselves (if they did, i'm not making any judgements here because i simply don't know), would probably cause more harm than good at this stage in time.
[QUOTE=Drax-Quin;36397101]Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, every post you've made seems to not understand this.[/QUOTE]
That goes both ways you know. Prove to me that 9/11 [B]WASN'T[/B] an inside job? It's completely subjective what one would consider the most natural answer.
This guy really seems to be pressing home the point that if you believe in the conspiracy then society will ostracize you as a crazy. I wonder how he feels about the hundreds (thousands) of architects, engineers, and professors that disagree with some of the "evidence" the conspiracy theorists like to bring up. I bet they are all paid government shills, or sheeple who have been blinded to the truth.
I'm very disappointed with the Facepunch demographics. They weren't so shitty before. I can't believe that a 9/11 conspiracy thread still has the "Winner" rating in the thread list, because more people have chosen this rating rather than the dumb one.
[QUOTE=GenPol;36397403]I'm very disappointed with the Facepunch demographics. They weren't so shitty before. I can't believe that a 9/11 conspiracy thread still has the "Winner" rating in the thread list, because more people have chosen this rating than the dumb one.[/QUOTE]
dont shit yourself over 225 pixels coloured to look like a medal. it's only the internet, people can have whatever opinion they want
I've told the same theory to facepunch about 5 years ago, but everyone rated dumb on me.
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36397361]That goes both ways you know. Prove to me that 9/11 [B]WASN'T[/B] an inside job? It's completely subjective what one would consider the most natural answer.[/QUOTE]
Occam's razor :-)
I wish governor goblin's post was somehow moved to right under the video so everyone would see it.
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36395575]tl;dr
no one here knows what happened because the fascist police state won't tell us
you don't know, you'll never know. Deal with it
[editline]19th June 2012[/editline]
get back to work, civilian[/QUOTE]
~super edgy~
Of course they reported on who did it right away, it's sensationalism. He tried it before so it wasn't hard to guess, and they wanted to be the first to report on it. What the video fails to mention is all the anchors who didn't guess or guessed wrong.
Also it says Seal Team 6 died in a helicopter crash but fails to mention none of the members killed were involved in the raid.
Also I'm sick of hearing WTC 7 being described as "strange"
[video=youtube;_kSq663m0G8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8[/video]
At least he didn't mention jet fuel melting steel, that's the worst argument of all time.
I'm not sure if this has been already mentioned (I only quickly eyeballed through the thread), but my favorite theory is the following: USA is all smug, 911 happens, government goes apeshit and figures that a simple terrorist attack would potray how easy target US was after all, and think that if they spew conspiracies around, people will think that it was something more complicated than a bunch of terrorists with airplanes.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;36397990]
Also I'm sick of hearing WTC 7 being described as "strange"
[video=youtube;_kSq663m0G8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8[/video]
.[/QUOTE]
Apparently a lot of people believe that servere structural damage and raging fires cant cause a building to collapse.
[QUOTE=GenPol;36397403]I'm very disappointed with the Facepunch demographics. They weren't so shitty before. I can't believe that a 9/11 conspiracy thread still has the "Winner" rating in the thread list, because more people have chosen this rating rather than the dumb one.[/QUOTE]
Now it's up to 50 dumbs, thanks to me!
[QUOTE=Jackald;36396314]I'm not sure about the conspiracy theory, but i'd posit that, if the conspiracy was correct, 9/11 could be used as a scapegoat to restrict freedoms in the USA (*cough*patriotact*cough*) launch an illegal "war on terror" in foreign countries to gather oil reserves and support the US government's military industrial complex.
The USA has had about 12 years of peace where it wasn't at war with anyone since WW2. Much of their economy is based on defense.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but that's the motive I would suggest.[/QUOTE]
Yes the US is doing a good job of failing to get any oil, launching the patriot act 11 years too late, and shitting away billions of its own money on the "military industrial complex"
[QUOTE=Jackald;36400495]Uh, except that many private companies make billions from the military industrial complex.[/QUOTE]
And the MIC is responsible for many of the advances in technology we see today. Like the internet.
[QUOTE=Jackald;36396314]I'm not sure about the conspiracy theory, but i'd posit that, if the conspiracy was correct, 9/11 could be used as a scapegoat to restrict freedoms in the USA (*cough*patriotact*cough*) launch an illegal "war on terror" in foreign countries to gather oil reserves and support the US government's military industrial complex.
The USA has had about 12 years of peace where it wasn't at war with anyone since WW2. Much of their economy is based on defense.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but that's the motive I would suggest.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes yes, and sicne our economy is based on defense.
Please explain the surplus we wasted on those two wars on terror :v:
Also, you're lack of public knowledge about American Energy policy is funny. Because after we had the Oil Crisis, we started to massively diversify our oil portfolio, from nations nowhere [I]NEAR IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN[/I].
[editline]19th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jackald;36400495]Uh, except that many private companies make billions from the military industrial complex.[/QUOTE]
But that back bone of any nation to stay a float is its people and that's failing.
Either you, or they, are missing the fact that if you're local population is poor as shit, you will be poor as shit.
[QUOTE=Jackald;36400495]Uh, except that many private companies make billions from the military industrial complex.[/QUOTE]
and the US government loses those billions
Why would the US government attack its own people and cover up the entire thing just so they could have less money
For Christ's sake, its not a conspiracy theory that caused all this.
It was awkward, backhanded, stupid diplomatic maneuvers.
I was waiting for that video to explain the conspiracy theory. Why did he just sum up 9/11?
[QUOTE=scout1;36401423]and the US government loses those billions
Why would the US government attack its own people and cover up the entire thing just so they could have less money[/QUOTE]
Because they needed an excuse that is big and sensible enough to "justify" their real intentions. Think of all the things the government did immediately after the attack, ranging from issuing the PATRIOT Act to starting war with the middle east. Bush even admitted later on that they have no solid evidence that Afghanistan as a whole is responsible for 9/11 but proceeded the attack anyways. Why do you think they are doing so? Just because the government is telling you a story, it doesn't mean it is the truth.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;36401790]Because they needed an excuse that is big and sensible enough to "justify" their real intentions. Think of all the things the government did immediately after the attack, ranging from issuing the PATRIOT Act to starting war with the middle east. Bush even admitted later on that they have no solid evidence that Afghanistan as a whole is responsible for 9/11 but proceeded the attack anyways. Why do you think they are doing so? Just because the government is telling you a story, it doesn't mean it is the truth.[/QUOTE]
BUT ALL OF THAT MADE EVERYTHING WORSE.
You have to be a retard to think anything that Bush did was to someone give the US government more control!
If anything all this bullshit has brought us closer to the tipping point of revolution.
All I see is a mentally deficient and corrupt governement system that can't even do its job properly. You have to be an idiot to think they'd be this stupid [I]ON PURPOSE[/I].
This isn't Big Brother! This is Big Brother's retarded redneck cousin Earl!
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36395575]tl;dr
no one here knows what happened because the fascist police state won't tell us
you don't know, you'll never know. Deal with it
[editline]19th June 2012[/editline]
get back to work, civilian[/QUOTE]
oh shut up, you know just as well as we all do there's enough information about it.
[editline]19th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36397361]That goes both ways you know. Prove to me that 9/11 [B]WASN'T[/B] an inside job? It's completely subjective what one would consider the most natural answer.[/QUOTE]
khalid sheikh mohammed confessed to orchestrating the attacks, he's a member of al-Qaeda and close to Bin Laden - there mystery solved, you can go home now powerball.
[editline]19th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=ProSkater;36397511]I've told the same theory to facepunch about 5 years ago, but everyone rated dumb on me.[/QUOTE]
here have another.
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36397361]That goes both ways you know. Prove to me that 9/11 [B]WASN'T[/B] an inside job? It's completely subjective what one would consider the most natural answer.[/QUOTE]
why bother posting
goblin fuckin killed you dude
[QUOTE=Coffee;36386235]Don't you think it's rather convenient that an international incident occurs which in turn allows the government to control people's lives much more easily, perpetuating a borderline police state across the country?
Just sayin'[/QUOTE]
Oh please, you have no fucking clue what it is to be in a police state or even a borderline one.
I know people like to think the government is evil and horrible and does shit like this, but it's simply not true. The policies that were enacted as a result of 9/11 have caused the government to lose tons of money and caused an economic downturn, costing the rich people money as well.
Basically, they lost money. Why on Earth would they formulate this conspiracy to lose money? After all, money is pretty much the one incentive the government has nowadays.
Though there is a lot of very weird things about 9/11, none of the evidence really supports the notion that it was the governments doing. I won't deny that there is certainly something more to 9/11 that we don't know, but I severely doubt that the government has anything to do with it.
Besides, I tend to have a least a little faith in the government. Don't get me wrong, their pretty damn evil, but this sounds like something the Soviet Union would do, and that is only if pushed to extremes.
The only reason 9/11 happened as is is because the government is horribly stupid and inefficient. I would place my bets that the reason nobody shot down the planes likely had to do with a divide amongst the political parties on what was "morale" or not, and they became unwilling to compromise. That is how most stupid decisions seemed to happen.
[QUOTE=Pantz76;36386409]9/11 conspiracy theorists are very good at deciphering the tiny details about the event itself. What they fail to do time and time again is find a reasonable motive for why the US government would have committed the attacks.[/QUOTE]
Cause they cray cray.
Just 6 more dumb ratings for the OP until the mission is accomplished.
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