[QUOTE=y0haN;27095115]Anyone who hasn't played their PS3 in a while who decides to play a game for multiplayer knows that you can't just "play pretty much instantly." One or two system patches and then several patches for the game later and you probably can't be bothered playing any more. It's pretty horrific.[/QUOTE]
You reminded me of a nice 6 hours I spent waiting to play LBP. Didn't touch my PS3 for months, friend brought over LBP, it took 6 hours for the thing to update and get all patches. Convenient my ass :colbert:
Most consumers are dumb and lazy. Both qualities contribute to their inability to play games on a PC. It's their loss really, because it's holding them back from a gaming experience that is much better.
Saying that you have to be "tech-savvy" to play games on a PC is an overstatement. One reason being because the days of incompatibility and bugs are nearly over. I own over 40 games on Steam, and perhaps two have had quirks that were solved in 10 minutes or less. I bought Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines off Steam 6 months ago. Upon running, I received an error. I googled the error + the game name and found that I need an unofficial patch that fixed the problem. Another google gave me the download to the patch and I was playing the game in 3 minutes. If that's being tech savvy, then holy shit what has the world come to.
I'll give some naysayers a little more ground to stand on. Perhaps price is the problem? To be honest, you will have to build a PC for the price to be better than a console. Again though, I the small amount of effort needed in learning how to build a PC is worth the end result.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;27095000][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD-6TMrMlDo[/media]
This been posted?[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, they saved themselves from their retardedness. But they're still retarded.
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27095142]My brother's PS3 from '06 can still play games coming out today. Incompatibilities are usually rare on consoles, even though it happens. Usually they are quite easily solved such as get a new hard drive or install new firmware.[/QUOTE]So you can use a console from '06 you just have to upgrade the hardware a bit. I can use a computer from '06 too, just have to upgrade the hardware.[QUOTE=Rammaster;27095142]But with the PC's incompatibilities, most of the problems are sometimes simple and sometimes just convoluted. [/QUOTE]There are incompatibilities with shitty console ports and it's developer's fault.[QUOTE=Rammaster;27095142]Sacrificing quality and complexity of games? I didn't know having issues with installing or performance was part of "playing" a game.[/QUOTE] The point flew way over your head there boy.
Where did I say that installing was a part of the game and what the fuck does installing has to do with complexity of a game? My point was, you sacrifice possibility of playing things like gmod, wow, eve, starcraft2 and in return you don't have to "worry" about requirements and installing. That's the deal you're making here. Shitty deal if you ask me.
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27095142]The point I'm trying to get is that consoles are usually more reliable in just actually playing that game. [/QUOTE]First fucking valid argument you've made. Consoles are more reliable when it comes to playing games.
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27095142]I'm not demonizing the PC's complexity. But most people (as seen with the rapid rise of consoles) just prefer to game on consoles for its ease of use and accessibility. Because isn't it just boils down to actually playing the game? If you want to take it a step further then PC gaming is your choice but for most people they just want to get the gaming experience they want.[/QUOTE]
You are demonizing it. You're saying you have to deal and worry about some complicated shit. Like what? Checking requirements and installing a game? Like I said, my mom can do it. It's easy. Takes 10 more minutes per game, yes. But it's not hard at all.
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27095142]You don't have to upgrade. The only thing you really need to upgrade on a console is the hard drive. [/QUOTE]Decide whether you have to upgrade or not and stop bullshitting. "you don't have to upgrade but you might need to upgrade" lol.
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27095142]Unless your console breaks down, then that's the only thing you need to upgrade. In a PC, from 05-Present, you would have to had upgraded at least your graphics card to actually play games with a decent framerate. Compare that to a PS3 from 06, which can play any game today without the need of an upgrade. [/QUOTE]So on console you need to upgrade your harddrive, on PC you have to upgrade your GPU. Both have to upgrade. The console doesn't have to upgrade as much [B]because it's graphics are tuned down.[/B]
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27095142]I am still a PC gamer but disregarding the consoles as inferior in every aspect is just dumb. Both have strengths and weaknesses.[/QUOTE]Show me where I said that consoles are "inferior in every aspect". I'm just proving your biased arguments wrong. Because they are bullshit.
This is what I think about the differences:
You either use a PC and have better graphics and more possibilities but you have to spend 10 minutes checking the requirements and installing the game and the hardware might be more expensive (but not by thousands) or you use a console and have easier access to games, without checking the requirements and installing, you don't have to upgrade the hardware as much but you strip yourself from playing more complex games and have tuned down graphics. Also console games are more stable.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;27095091]Steam
Requirement listing
Check PC
Install game
Drivers out of date?
Get drivers through Steam
Damn thats so complex, also I like how they talk about how PCs have all this shit but fail to mention console firmware updates and all that nonsense.[/QUOTE]
Works the same at retail stores. Box, requirements listing, you get the idea. You can make it easier and be more certain of how your PC will handle a game with a quick youtube search. I could search "crysis 5770" and find a video of how Crysis looks and plays on a AMD HD 5770. Like I said on the last page, if this very basic stuff is the deal-breaker between buying a PC or console then you are dumb, lazy, and missing out on a much better experience that includes most notably mods and better online gaming. You'll have your shitty game ports once in a while and can serve as a con, but it's not enough to negate the pros.
Aside the "effort" element of PC gaming, the next most concerning element is price. Scenario - If a new $400 - $500 console came out today and I had an $800 budget, I could build something that could top the console's visuals by a noticeable margin. You might point out that my budget was $400 more than the new console and you may say that it means it's more expensive, consider this; you're buying an entire work/media station when buying a gaming PC. If you take $400 off the gaming PC, you will have something like a regular PC that every console gamer will have in their house. So really, I've haven't spent more money, I've just combined my regular PC and the gaming part of it together. I've heard all about the "upgrading a PC" argument, but as far as I'm concerned you don't need to upgrade your PC unless you're into maxing the PC exclusive titles that go above and beyond. If you're just concerned with keeping up with consoles, you won't need to upgrade or buy a new PC until the next generation of consoles come out.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;27095659]So you can use a console from '06 you just have to upgrade the hardware a bit. I can use a computer from '06 too, just have to upgrade the hardware.There are incompatibilities with shitty console ports and it's developer's fault.[/Quote]
Okay, we are generalizing here with the consoles. I acknowledge the fact that you need to upgrade. But its not mandatory across the board for the 3 consoles. For the 360 and PS3, you only need to upgrade the hard drive. This just one piece of hardware. And yes you can use a PC from 06, hell, you can use a PC from 98 if you do update the hardware. What specs are we talking about from 06? Entry-level specs from 06?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;27095659]The point flew way over your head there boy.
Where did I say that installing was a part of the game and what the fuck does installing has to do with complexity of a game? My point was, you sacrifice possibility of playing things like gmod, wow, eve, starcraft2 and in return you don't have to "worry" about requirements and installing. That's the deal you're making here. Shitty deal if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
I misread that very much since I made that reply at 4am. Sorry. Well, some consumers would rather not go through those requirements and get to the actual gaming experience.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;27095659]So you can use a console from '06 you just have to upgrade the hardware a bit. I can use a computer from '06 too, just have to upgrade the hardware.There are incompatibilities with shitty console ports and it's developer's fault.[/Quote]
Okay, we are generalizing here with the consoles. I acknowledge the fact that you need to upgrade. But its not mandatory across the board for the 3 consoles. For the 360 and PS3, you only need to upgrade the hard drive. This just one piece of hardware. And yes you can use a PC from 06, hell, you can use a PC from 98 if you do update the hardware. What specs are we talking about from 06? Entry-level specs from 06?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;27095659]First fucking valid argument you've made. Consoles are more reliable when it comes to playing games. [/quote]
Why are they more reliable? They play the game usually with no worry from system requirements and all the possible system incompatibilities.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;27095659]You are demonizing it. You're saying you have to deal and worry about some complicated shit. Like what? Checking requirements and installing a game? Like I said, my mom can do it. It's easy. Takes 10 more minutes per game, yes. But it's not hard at all.[QUOTE]
Well, usually consumers are confused at even just looking at the system requirements. The PC GPU market alone can make someone sick with confusion with all the numbers flying around that someone who doesn't know jack shit about computer will probably be turned off. Installing a game is easy yes. But once you get those usual errors that comes with installing PC games then things might get a little rocky. Evidence can be seen right here on Facepunch with random threads in the GGD popping up complaining about installation problems. Rarely do we see console installation problems.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;27095659]Decide whether you have to upgrade or not and stop bullshitting. "you don't have to upgrade but you might need to upgrade" lol.
So on console you need to upgrade your harddrive, on PC you have to upgrade your GPU. Both have to upgrade. The console doesn't have to upgrade as much [B]because it's graphics are tuned down.[/B][/Quote]
Honestly, you don't need to upgrade. 98% on retail games from consoles don't need an upgrade so you could actually play them. Yeah, consoles don't need to upgrade as much is the main point people buy consoles.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;27095659]Show me where I said that consoles are "inferior in every aspect". I'm just proving your biased arguments wrong. Because they are bullshit.[/quote]
I was just saying this to the whole discussion of the PC vs Console debate. Get both, play and experience more games.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;27095659]This is what I think about the differences:
You either use a PC and have better graphics and more possibilities but you have to spend 10 minutes checking the requirements and installing the game and the hardware might be more expensive (but not by thousands) or you use a console and have easier access to games, without checking the requirements and installing, you don't have to upgrade the hardware as much but you strip yourself from playing more complex games and have tuned down graphics. Also console games are more stable.[/QUOTE]
Well, you also strip yourself of playing motion sensing games. Even if you're not in that sort of gaming, you still don't get that on a PC.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD-6TMrMlDo[/media]
"Part 2" where they say PC is better.
I don't know if it's me but it feel rather sarcastic?
[QUOTE=Shanto;27107230]I don't know if it's me but it feel rather sarcastic?[/QUOTE]
It felt really stupid actually. They are fucking idiotic and kinda act like kids, like Mike finally took a shower? Who gives a shit, are they trying to reference the Jersey Shore since Mike looks like vinny and the people on the show are dirty skanks?
The only reason I don't buy a console is because in terms of hardware and reliability, it's about the same.. so I chose the PC because I like the controls better, and you can mod games on it easier. This argument that "PC gamers have to upgrade their platform every few years" is the same for Console gamers, except while PC Games are progressively getting better looking every few months (and therefore the inevitable need for upgrades), Console games are limited to the consoles full potential.
So I guess it kind of balances it out, because Console gamers have to buy an expensive new console every few years just like PC gamers have to buy an expensive new graphics card or processor every few years.
They are gay:
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[QUOTE=Rammaster;27106590]I misread that very much since I made that reply at 4am. Sorry. Well, some consumers would rather not go through those requirements and get to the actual gaming experience. [/QUOTE]
Yes because it's obviously so much trouble that you loose the "actual gaming experience"... please.
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27106590]Okay, we are generalizing here with the consoles. I acknowledge the fact that you need to upgrade. But its not mandatory across the board for the 3 consoles. For the 360 and PS3, you only need to upgrade the hard drive. This just one piece of hardware. And yes you can use a PC from 06, hell, you can use a PC from 98 if you do update the hardware. What specs are we talking about from 06? Entry-level specs from 06? [/QUOTE]
No point going into details. I already said, consoles don't have to upgrade as much but that's but that's because games for consoles have graphics tuned down.
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27106590]Why are they more reliable? They play the game usually with no worry from system requirements and all the possible system incompatibilities. [/QUOTE]
What are you going after here? I already said they are more reliable, I could have said why in my previous post. You're just explaining what I already said.
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27106590]Well, usually consumers are confused at even just looking at the system requirements. The PC GPU market alone can make someone sick with confusion with all the numbers flying around that someone who doesn't know jack shit about computer will probably be turned off. Installing a game is easy yes. But once you get those usual errors that comes with installing PC games then things might get a little rocky. Evidence can be seen right here on Facepunch with random threads in the GGD popping up complaining about installation problems. Rarely do we see console installation problems.[/QUOTE]
I haven't had any "usual errors" for a long time now. Also don't tell me it's so fucking complicated to use the site called "can you run it" or it's that hard to ask someone at the store if you meet the requirements. Yes, you have to put a little bit of effort and 1 minute of your time into it. People don't want to do it, I get it. You said it like 10 times now.
People would also rather eat shit food at McDonalds than cook something good by themselves. Same pattern.
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27106590]Honestly, you don't need to upgrade. 98% on retail games from consoles don't need an upgrade so you could actually play them. Yeah, consoles don't need to upgrade as much is the main point people buy consoles.[/QUOTE]
And have the graphics tuned down in return.
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27106590]Well, you also strip yourself of playing motion sensing games. Even if you're not in that sort of gaming, you still don't get that on a PC.[/QUOTE]Okay you have a point here. But my personal opinion, I'm not loosing much. I'd rather play gmod, dwarf fortress and minecraft than the motion sensing games.
I'll rest my case because I am really tired debating now. I guess you win. But honestly, I'd rather get botha PC and the consoles to enjoy all the games they bring to the table.
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27120641]I'll rest my case because I am really tired debating now. I guess you win. But honestly, I'd rather get botha PC and the consoles to enjoy all the games they bring to the table.[/QUOTE]
Sure, buying both would be best but if I had to choose I'd buy PC.
I don't know about you, but most of the games I play are FPS's and I prefer mouse and keyboard over a gamepad.
[QUOTE=y0haN;27094511]Make a PC/360 cross-platform Call of Duty and end this debate.[/QUOTE]
So unfair for 360 its painful
"THERE ARE SO MANY MORE POSSIBILITIES WITH CONSOLES."
done watching
[QUOTE=Rammaster;27106590]Well, you also strip yourself of playing motion sensing games. Even if you're not in that sort of gaming, you still don't get that on a PC.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://walyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/razer-sixense-motion-sensing-pc-gaming-controller.jpg[/img]
Presenting... the Razor Sixense! Motion PC gaming.
Console side: HERP UPGRADING
PC side: HERP GRAPHICS
Back in my day we played Crysis on the shittiest PC ever at settings lower then shown in the menu.
ASCII mode :smug:
How in the hell was this a proper debate? They had one guy pretend to be a PC enthusiast so he could concede at the end and be like "ya ur rite lol console is better." I'll stick with PC, thank you very much. I'm glad that consoles are keeping people like them busy and off of my PC servers.
I can't believe this thread/debate is still alive.
I guess they've never heard of emulators.
Why not just.. you know. Play what you want and stop caring about what others say?
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