[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45112600]woah, I don't only post thunderf00t videos, plus i'm still conviced someone is asking you to tell me this.[/QUOTE]
I saw helix got banned, checked his post, and remembered the last time we told you to stop posting thunderfoot. I checked your post history and you've made three thunderfoot video threads about this subject in the last four days.
If he makes another thread on this then post it in here and maybe question why he's extrapolated a single subject into $10,750 worth of semi-voluntary fan donations. Patreon's cool but at first glance this looks like exactly the kind of extortion I was afraid it would bring about
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;45112578]I'm 90% sure I've already gone of this with you. The glass alone would be in the 15-50 trillion dollar range by itself depending on a bunch of different ranges of specifications that the tiles might have (specifications that they STILL haven't provided, so the materials people I know have to make some estimations). That's STILL only for regular tempered glass, which will not last under even moderate usage for more than a couple of years, let alone maintain low opacity, a fact you STILL refuse to accept.
That's not including any of the other materials in the tiles, the foundation, the wiring, panels, costs of installation, costs of maintenance, or anything else.
I swear, you are deliberately being ignorant of basic math and facts.[/QUOTE]
Your cost estimates for the entire road system have to be wrong, just like anyone trying to estimate the total construction cost for our current highway system a century ago would be wrong. Materials science advances, factories are built that can handle the necessary volume, engineering on the structure itself gets better and more efficient.
I know the current material cost is very high, but it's also very rough! The error is vast: the system could be infeasibly expensive, or it could be competitive, it's stupidly early to say. They aren't even done with their federal contract to prove if their system can work, but apparently they're getting close to the end of their next phase. Hopefully we'll know more about the final feasibility at that point.
All I'm saying is, it's too fucking early to know if this will work, when we're talking about differences below an order of magnitude for something as huge as a country spanning project built out over the next 50-100 years.
That difference could even be accounted for in asphalt costs going into the future, considering our growing concerns about the availability and cost of its raw materials.
[QUOTE=dai;45112634]I saw helix got banned, checked his post, and remembered the last time we told you to stop posting thunderfoot. I checked your post history and you've made three thunderfoot video threads about this subject in the last four days.
If he makes another thread on this then post it in here and maybe question why he's extrapolated a single subject into $10,750 worth of semi-voluntary fan donations. Patreon's cool but at first glance this looks like exactly the kind of extortion I was afraid it would bring about[/QUOTE]
I'm not spamming them, I'm posting them at the frequency that he's uploading them.
There's shit that's being posted here here at higher frequencies.
Why should I stop posting them again?
[editline]15th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=dai;45112634]I saw helix got banned, checked his post, and remembered the last time we told you to stop posting thunderfoot. I checked your post history and you've made three thunderfoot video threads about this subject in the last four days.
If he makes another thread on this then post it in here and maybe question why he's extrapolated a single subject into $10,750 worth of semi-voluntary fan donations. Patreon's cool but at first glance this looks like exactly the kind of extortion I was afraid it would bring about[/QUOTE]
Also there was no one else besides you that told me to stop posting (anyone with authority)
[QUOTE=metallics;45112627]Absolutely, and new tech to improve efficiency is coming along all the time, but even with a very generous reduction in cost, the efficiency is unlikely to break 40% in the next 15 years.[/QUOTE]
I think 41% is the thermodynamic limit, so naturally that won't be broken. In any case, it really depends on how much the road costs per area vs how much the solar panels can generate. I can only do the most rudimentary estimates, but the current panels and a 4x cost vs asphalt estimate has the panels paying about 10% of the road's cost with current tech.
It really depends on exact numbers we just can't accurately estimate, coupled with any future changes in materials cost that are even harder to estimate.
I'm hopeful they can make it work, but I can't say I'd be willing to back them before they prove it. The government's R&D grants are what this sort of thing needs, and what they've already gotten.
These things have an expected lifetime of roughly 20 years, as they themselves state. It doesn't really improve on the whole maintenance problem at all.
They are also not sure how it's supposed to work with hills, and their promise about the security measures will hardly ever be a reality.
I don't really care about posting Thunderf00t videos really, someone else will post them.
I don't really get why you care so much.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45112680]I'm not spamming them, I'm posting them at the frequency that he's uploading them.
There's shit that's being posted here here at higher frequencies.
Why should I stop posting them again?
[editline]15th June 2014[/editline]
Also there was no one else besides you that told me to stop posting (anyone with authority)[/QUOTE]
It only takes one person with authority to get banned
But please go ahead so we can get rid of you finally
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;45112789]It only takes one person with authority to get banned
But please go ahead so we can get rid of you finally[/QUOTE]
Did I hurt your feelings or something?
I thought people were told to stop posting Thunderfoot just for passively-aggressively trying to start some MRA Feminism shit by plopping down a video with a inflammatory title and leaving.
No you're just an obnoxious twat who gets off on stroking TF's dick even though nobody actually wants you here
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;45112875]No you're just an obnoxious twat who gets off on stroking TF's dick even though nobody actually wants you here[/QUOTE]
Considering that most of his videos were positively received (when people actually cared)
I think that you thinking that everyone hates me here is kind of a delusion that you're projecting?
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[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1310487[/url]
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45112680]Also there was no one else besides you that told me to stop posting (anyone with authority)[/QUOTE]
congratulations on discovering how "people have a problem with your posting habits and a person with authority told you to stop" works
let me know if another user posts several threads about videos from a single guy for an identical topic in a short timespan
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45112934]Considering that most of his videos were positively received (when people actually cared)
I think that you thinking that everyone hates me here is kind of a delusion that you're projecting?
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[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1310487[/url][/QUOTE]
can you screencap the rest of that and the half dozen other 'feminists SUCKKKK!!!!" TF threads you made, because I recall people agreeing with the statement of the title for half a page before everyone called bullshit after watching the videos
[QUOTE=dai;45112949]congratulations on discovering how "people have a problem with your posting habits and a person with authority told you to stop" works
let me know if another user posts several threads about videos from a single guy for an identical topic in a short timespan[/QUOTE]
I won't post thunderf00t videos if that makes you feel better, even tho I don't really understand why.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;45112651]Your cost estimates for the entire road system have to be wrong[/QUOTE]
Then prove it.
If my numbers are wrong, you can make some rough calculations to show that they are in a matter of minutes, if not seconds. All of my rough calculations tend toward making assumptions that things will be cheaper in large volumes. Whenever possible I tend to round down if there's even a lackluster reason to do so.
The costs are still astronomically ridiculous for some of the basic materials, let alone installation (assuming huge amounts of automation), and assuming light/zero maintenance (which seems patently ridiculous).
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;45112651]That difference could even be accounted for in asphalt costs going into the future, considering our growing concerns about the availability and cost of its raw materials.[/QUOTE]
Asphalt is one of the most widely recycled materials on the planet right now. These roadways have tons of rare earth materials in them that we are concerned about having long term supplies of as well.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45112934]Considering that most of his videos were positively received (when people actually cared)
I think that you thinking that everyone hates me here is kind of a delusion that you're projecting?
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[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1310487[/url][/QUOTE]
[URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1384096"]cool I can cherry-pick too[/URL]
So what are the solar roadways supposed to do, again? I mean, what I got from the video is that they're supposed to light up and show you the road, but don't we already have things to do that? Like, paint and reflective materials?
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;45113049][URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1384096"]cool I can cherry-pick too[/URL][/QUOTE]
I already addressed this, most of the people that watch his videos don't even bother to go to the threads because they already know exactly what he's going to say and they won't see anything new.
So what happens in-turn is that only sjw go to the thread and the scenario in your pic happens.
I'm 100% sure that most of the facepunch demographic agrees with thunderf00t.
But you weren't even talking about thunderf00t, you were talking about me.
Just because you have some weird grudge aginst me doesn't mean that most of the forum doesn't like me/doesn't want me here.
So really I don't understand what you're getting at.
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[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45113093]I already addressed this, most of the people that watch his videos don't even bother to go to the threads because they already know exactly what he's going to say and they won't see anything new.
So what happens in-turn is that only sjw go to the thread and the scenario in your pic happens.
I'm 100% sure that most of the facepunch demographic agrees with thunderf00t.
But you weren't even talking about thunderf00t, you were talking about me.
Just because you have some weird grudge aginst me doesn't mean that most of the forum doesn't like me/doesn't want me here.
So really I don't understand what you're getting at.
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I know he's banned but
can we stop using the term SJW? it's a dumb term that only exists to insult people who don't share your opinion.
also 100% sure, what a joke. if people actually agreed with thunderfoot that much they would be speaking up more often.
[QUOTE=dai;45112949]
can you screencap the rest of that and the half dozen other 'feminists SUCKKKK!!!!" TF threads you made, because I recall people agreeing with the statement of the title for half a page before everyone called bullshit after watching the videos[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what happens in all of these threads. Someone posts an MRA video or a lazy feminist rant, everyone gets their circle jerk on, the agrees/winners/zings come flowing in then someone actually watches the video and looks shit up to correct it but it's already too late. Everyone else already had their biases confirmed by the talking heads in their monitors. There isn't room for discussion to be found. No one is interested in discussion. Shreddinger has absolutely no desire to have an illuminating conversation about social equality. He wants to post a video from his favorite Youtube content creator then have a laugh about "feminists" with other people and if anyone responds criticizing him or said creator they are a Tumblr-using feminazi liberal social justice warrior.
[QUOTE=bunnyspy1;45113292]I know he's banned but
can we stop using the term SJW? it's a dumb term that only exists to insult people who don't care your opinion.
also 100% sure, what a joke. if people actually agreed with thunderfoot that much they would be speaking up more often.[/QUOTE]
It shows just how useless of an insult it is if you can be called an SJW for not liking a video about solar panel roadways :v:
And yeah, if you want to see how many people agree with thunderfoot, check the ratings in thunderfoot videos :v:
I know he's banned, but why do you keep bringing up his Patreon?
Just because he makes money from his vids doesn't make his points more or less correct.
thunderfoot is a fucking joke, he uses quotes from Wernher Von Braun to prove his point? that's equally as stupid and shitty
I like how much of this thread was spent ignoring the video at hand, the actual evidence he's presented various times about how solar roadways really are a stupid idea at the most basic level possible and instead everyone wants to just turn the subject to something entierly unrelated.
He posted a science related video. No matter how you feel about his anti feminist views that doesn't make his science by default flawed.
[editline]15th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=FFStudios;45113520]thunderfoot is a fucking joke, he uses quotes from Wernher Von Braun to prove his point? that's equally as stupid and shitty[/QUOTE]
yeah, what a moron, using a quote from someone for a purpose!
Most people are quoted in contexts they never imagined they would be, what's the point in this argument?
i gave up watching half-way through, he's not getting the point of it. its not to replace roads (at least thats what i think anyways) its about using large parking lots as solar generators, ya its kinda stupid the way they want to approach it but turning an otherwise useless blacktop into a generator isn't a far fetched and worthless endevor, personally itd be more economical to use some form of water-recirculation system to generate steam power plus it'd add a benefit of being able to prevent ice and snow buildup
[QUOTE=Sableye;45114181]i gave up watching half-way through, he's not getting the point of it. its not to replace roads (at least thats what i think anyways) its about using large parking lots as solar generators, ya its kinda stupid the way they want to approach it but turning an otherwise useless blacktop into a generator isn't a far fetched and worthless endevor, personally itd be more economical to use some form of water-recirculation system to generate steam power plus it'd add a benefit of being able to prevent ice and snow buildup[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't it be cheaper and more efficient to, oh I don't know, build an actual solar plant?
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;45114202]Wouldn't it be cheaper and more efficient to, oh I don't know, build an actual solar plant?[/QUOTE]
its hard to compair small scale vs large scale in general, ya the way they want to do it is overkill but i'm all for small scale generation and we just love to build useless parking lots in front of everything, like buildings that are only used like 2-3 days a week and the thermal energy those parking lots absorb should be harnessed for some good
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;45114202]Wouldn't it be cheaper and more efficient to, oh I don't know, build an actual solar plant?[/QUOTE]
that would take up new land instead of utilizing useless empty swaths of area. However, I [i]have[/i] seen some examples where they built full solar panel arrays above parking spaces, which created some nice shelters from the sun and the weather for people who had to walk a ways to the building. It was some industrial place I believe
one would have to look into the long-term savings of these things' power output. It's a cool prototype, but if we throw a bitchfit about the technology and say "why bother" now, the truly beneficial versions will never be developed down the line. Plus, as far as maintenance goes, if a piece gets busted or whatever, it'd be a matter of picking it up and bolting a new one down, not bringing out a full construction crew to block off a lane of road and spend a few days laying and curing patchwork. Seems like a beneficial venture in terms of the productivity not only of the workers, but of the people who aren't stuck in various sorts of construction traffic for a good number of months out of the year
I could sense this was bullshit. Even if solar roadways were a viable option how many people in a community would actually accept having their roadways demolished to have little hexagonal green pieces of shit put in?
[QUOTE=Fayez;45113421]I know he's banned, but why do you keep bringing up his Patreon?
Just because he makes money from his vids doesn't make his points more or less correct.[/QUOTE]
him making money on his videos just makes me want to watch them even less
like I probably wouldn't mind this one because I also think the solar roadway thing is kind of ridiculous but I'm not giving the dude money for agreeing with me for once.
But solar roadways seems like phonebloks again, some ambitious idea without any strong backing going viral by the "I fucking love science because Neil Tyson" crowd because someone made a good video about it.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;45114503]him making money on his videos just makes me want to watch them even less
like I probably wouldn't mind this one because I also think the solar roadway thing is kind of ridiculous but I'm not giving the dude money for agreeing with me for once.[/QUOTE]
Chances are quite a few people you watch on Youtube have a partnership that grants them money from ad revenue on Youtube videos. Patreon is hardly different than that, so I guess you'll just have to stop watching anything on Youtube that could potentially be monetized (a lot of things). If you're really that worried about people making some bonus money then turn on adblock. He's still gonna make money whether you watch it or not as well, because you're not one of his Patreon supporters.
[QUOTE=dragon1972;45114674]Chances are quite a few people you watch on Youtube have a partnership that grants them money from ad revenue on Youtube videos. Patreon is hardly different than that, so I guess you'll just have to stop watching anything on Youtube that could potentially be monetized (a lot of things).[/QUOTE]
I don't really have a reason to deny other people money though since they're not going to be using it to make a living off of dumb opinion rants. I'm not against monetization, I'm against people getting money for making shitty videos. The people who I actually watch and enjoy can have my ad revenue why not.
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