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[QUOTE=haloguy234;47846559]Sometimes I feel like that men in BDSM femdom pornos have much better quality of life. Sure they're getting big phallic objects shoved in their assholes and their genitals are being tied up and sometimes shocked, but I've seen quite a few "behind the scenes" things for those types of videos and the guy always seems to have a really good sexual relationship with the girl. It's weird. In all of those kinds of videos the instant a safeword is mentioned filming stops until the person is ready again. You'd think it'd be the other way around honestly.[/QUOTE] A lot of porn directors see women as something to make money off of, not people. It's the whole double standard of "men who have lots of sex are cool, women who have lots of sex are disgusting sluts" taken to an extreme - Because the man is a porn star, he's hot, he gets TONS of sex, he's the coolest guy around! But if a woman does porn, she's a disgusting whore, using her body to make money - clearly her well-being doesn't matter, I mean she's a slut, right? who cares about her?

[QUOTE=Cone;47846501]most countries would consider forcing your dick down someone's throat while they squirm in pain to be rape, yeah. i mean if she could talk as it was happening, knowing what she said about her experience afterwards, do you think she would have willingly kept going? if legal consequences have to happen then have a fine or something, most courts would probably agree that a signed contract isn't worth raping someone over.[/QUOTE]I'm not an expert on amateur porn industry contracts, but I am certain that it had clearly outlined the limits of the acts that would be performed on her. If forcing genitals down her throat was in the contract, then it's completely fair and she has no reason to complain. If it wasn't in the contract, then she can easily hire a lawyer with the money they paid her and sue them for a very significant sum of money. [QUOTE=Starlight 456;47846557]You can't sign a contract to legally murder someone, but apparently it's totally fine to sign one to legally rape someone, according to your logic.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure why you are comparing murder to sexual acts. It's also not rape if she agreed to it by definition, and a contract is there to serve as evidence.

[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846605]I'm not an expert on amateur porn industry contracts, but I am certain that it had clearly outlined the limits of the acts that would be performed on her. If forcing genitals down her throat was in the contract, then it's completely fair and she has no reason to complain. If it wasn't in the contract, then she can easily hire a lawyer with the money they paid her and sue them for a very significant sum of money.[/QUOTE] Nobody's arguing that forcing dicks down her throat wasn't part of the contract. The argument is that they went too far, and when it was obvious she was in distress, they ignored the clear signs up to the point where she [I]threw up[/I] and kept going as if she was fine. It shows a blatant lack of care for her well-being.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47846627]Nobody's arguing that forcing dicks down her throat wasn't part of the contract. The argument is that they went too far, and when it was obvious she was in distress, they ignored the clear signs up to the point where she [I]threw up[/I] and kept going as if she was fine. It shows a blatant lack of care for her well-being.[/QUOTE]It's difficult to tell whether it was obvious to the directors or other actor(s) that she was in distress, considering the lack of actual video evidence. She obviously wasn't distressed enough to try to forcefully stop it.

Deepthroating and puke are things us as porn consumers like to see. They do not care for their well-being because they've obviously been de-sensitized and the actor doesn't object because they are trying to rise through the ranks.

[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846605]I'm not an expert on amateur porn industry contracts, but I am certain that it had clearly outlined the limits of the acts that would be performed on her. If forcing genitals down her throat was in the contract, then it's completely fair and she has no reason to complain. If it wasn't in the contract, then she can easily hire a lawyer with the money they paid her and sue them for a very significant sum of money.[/QUOTE] but A) was it explained that this would hurt her throat really badly and they would keep going even if she wanted to stop, and B) what does what she was comfortable with then have to do with what she's comfortable with now? the main thing is that she doesn't want to be a part of it any more, as soon as she shows she wants to back out there's no excuse to keep going - it's not unreasonable that any contractual issues be gone over [I]after[/I] she stops vomiting from having her throat torn up by a giant penis.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47846627]Nobody's arguing that forcing dicks down her throat wasn't part of the contract. The argument is that they went too far, and when it was obvious she was in distress, they ignored the clear signs up to the point where she [I]threw up[/I] and kept going as if she was fine. It shows a blatant lack of care for her well-being.[/QUOTE] How do you know it was obvious? Maybe the scene required her to throw up and all that, the other people might have just thought she was going along with the scene.

[QUOTE=seano12;47846660]Deepthroating and puke are things us as porn consumers like to see. They do not care for their well-being because they've obviously been de-sensitized and the actor doesn't object because they are trying to rise through the ranks.[/QUOTE]This does seem to be the case. The same logic applies to dangerous competitive sports. In professional MMA, fighters can get their bones broken. In hockey, players can lose their teeth. In American football, players can break their necks and spines. Risks like these are a part of the sport, and it's always up to the player(s) to choose whether they want to take that risk or not. [QUOTE=Cone;47846694]but A) was it explained that this would hurt her throat really badly and they would keep going even if she wanted to stop[/QUOTE]I don't know, perhaps we should find out for certain before continuing to argue about it. If permanent damage was done to her throat and was not mentioned in the contract, she could sue them for that, too. [QUOTE=Cone;47846694]B) what does what she was comfortable with then have to do with what she's comfortable with now? the main thing is that she doesn't want to be a part of it any more, as soon as she shows she wants to back out there's no excuse to keep going - it's not unreasonable that any contractual issues be gone over [I]after[/I] she stops vomiting from having her throat torn up by a giant penis.[/QUOTE]Not sure what you are asking here, but she could have easily walked off the set at any time. The contract is only there to ensure she is doing what she is paid to do, it is not forcing her to actually do any of it. She just won't get the money if she doesn't.

[QUOTE=Cone;47846694]but A) was it explained that this would hurt her throat really badly and they would keep going even if she wanted to stop, and B) what does what she was comfortable with then have to do with what she's comfortable with now? the main thing is that she doesn't want to be a part of it any more, as soon as she shows she wants to back out there's no excuse to keep going - it's not unreasonable that any contractual issues be gone over [I]after[/I] she stops vomiting from having her throat torn up by a giant penis.[/QUOTE] The actor can just walk off set you know. I've seen this happen a few times in videos on efukt, but it is going to ruin their chances of getting more work.

[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846659]It's difficult to tell whether it was obvious to the directors or other actor(s) that she was in distress, considering the lack of actual video evidence. She obviously wasn't distressed enough to try to forcefully stop it.[/QUOTE] Shock is a powerful thing, and vomiting is a tiring experience. Do you think, despite her obvious discomfort and pain, she wasn't raped specifically because she signed a contract?

[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846293]If they hadn't tried the drugs in the first place they wouldn't be addicted.[/quote] So they therefore deserve to be exploited and shat on. [quote]Don't compare consenting adults to child workers. Otherwise, it's totally fair game - you signed up to do something, so deal with it or quit. They aren't being held against their will.[/quote] They kind of are. This isn't going to be a sweatshop argument but I mean, just because you signed up for something doesn't always mean you have a choice. Rock and a hard place. I mean, Foxconn workers signed up for it but they kill themselves so much that they put suicide nets up. [quote]Let me get this straight - she signed a contract saying it's okay for them to do it, and when they do, it's suddenly rape? That makes no sense.[/QUOTE] No, she signed a contract to [i]act[/i] in porn, to engage in consensual sex. Being [i]forced[/i] to do something is rape. Like if you take someone to your room and you're going at it and then you force your partner to do something they don't want to do then you did something without consent, you committed rape. Just because they said "ok, let's have sex" does not mean they said "ok, you can force me to do things I don't want to do." [editline]31st May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846605]I'm not an expert on amateur porn industry contracts, but I am certain that it had clearly outlined the limits of the acts that would be performed on her. If forcing genitals down her throat was in the contract, then it's completely fair and she has no reason to complain. If it wasn't in the contract, [B]then she can easily hire a lawyer with the money they paid her and sue them for a very significant sum of money.[/B] I'm not sure why you are comparing murder to sexual acts. It's also not rape if she agreed to it by definition, and a contract is there to serve as evidence.[/QUOTE] Except that wasn't the case and it's very rare for it to be enforced or for porn actors to be taken serious or have legal protection. Like I said, the industry plays fast and loose with the law and there's absolutely no oversight or regulation because no lawmakers wants to touch it.

These girls should know what they're getting into. Go onto their website and you'll see these women getting gagged repeatedly to the point where their tears are ruining their eye makeup.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47846758]Shock is a powerful thing, and vomiting is a tiring experience. Do you think, despite her obvious discomfort and pain, she wasn't raped specifically because she signed a contract?[/QUOTE]Rape, [url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape]by definition[/url], is "unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim". She had signed a contract consenting to the sexual acts performed on her. Therefore, by basic logical deduction, it was not rape.

[QUOTE=seano12;47846813]These girls should know what they're getting into. Go onto their website and you'll see these women getting gagged repeatedly to the point where their tears are ruining their eye makeup.[/QUOTE] Do you think they believe it's sunshine and rainbows? Nobody is going to sign up for something called "Facial abuse" without knowing what that is. The problem (since you apparently don't get it yet) is that they crossed the line into actual sexual violence when she threw up and showed clear signs of real pain, and neglected to stop filming to make sure she was ok. [editline]31st May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846814]Rape, [url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape]by definition[/url], is "unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim". She had signed a contract consenting to the sexual acts performed on her. Therefore, by basic logical deduction, it was not rape.[/QUOTE] She signed a contract consenting to sexual acts, not any sexual act. How extreme are you willing to take this example? say that they decided to bring in some heavy-duty fetish shit without telling her, something crazy and dangerous, like (god forbid) gun or knife play. Would you defend them cutting her or pointing a gun at her head, too, because she signed a contract consenting to [I]some[/I] sexual acts? "She signed a contract" doesn't excuse it. I didn't respond to it earlier, but that's why I brought up the fact that you can't sign a contract legally agreeing to be murdered. Contracts do not supersede our laws.

[QUOTE=seano12;47846813]These girls should know what they're getting into. Go onto their website and you'll see these women getting gagged repeatedly to the point where their tears are ruining their eye makeup.[/QUOTE] I know I'm beating a dead horse here but, again, these girls are either manipulated into going into this shit and staying, or they're [I]really[/I] fucking desperate.

Most of the time it isn't just porn on camera. A lot of pornstars (both male and female) get raped on set, they take drugs during shoots to make it seem like they enjoy it. A lot of people overgo their boundries during videos, as mentioned on the previous page. Sure, they can 'walk out', but then stuff like that gets out on efukt and then the girl gets humiliated and harassed for a long long time.

I'm more surprised there's no sort of regulatory agency at all for this. The professional porn industry is significantly different in terms of safety from my brief experiences with it.

[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846814]Rape, [url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape]by definition[/url], is "unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim". She had signed a contract consenting to the sexual acts performed on her. Therefore, by basic logical deduction, it was not rape.[/QUOTE] Yes, the inalienable power of contract. More powerful than the right to live free of coercion, greater than the sovereignty of the human life, more morally pure than those who are opposed to raping women. Yea, no. The contract was likely for porn acting, and it's very unlikely that she signed a contract for [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_%28BDSM%29#Consensual_non-consent"]consensual non-consent[/URL], and even if she had then the action would have more than likely voided the contract.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47846832]The problem (since you apparently don't get it yet) is that they crossed the line into actual sexual violence when she threw up and showed clear signs of real pain, and neglected to stop filming to make sure she was ok.[/QUOTE] And you don't understand that this is how they attain customers. The people that consume this type of porn wish to fulfill their violent fantasies somehow, so they go out of their way to find porn just like this (not me of course). You also try to speak from a position of high moral authority, but the truth of the matter is that the people who run these small firms do not think like that and are scumbags. The people involved (maybe not the actors themselves) have probably done this dozens if not a hundred or more times so they are de-sensitized. Sure it's hard to watch, and sure it is sexual violence from time to time, but your thought process is irrelevant to this segment of the industry.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47846790']So they therefore deserve to be exploited and shat on.[/QUOTE]Straw man. [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47846790']They kind of are. This isn't going to be a sweatshop argument but I mean, just because you signed up for something doesn't always mean you have a choice. Rock and a hard place. I mean, Foxconn workers signed up for it but they kill themselves so much that they put suicide nets up.[/QUOTE]Foxconn workers are, for the most part, born and raised in Taiwan. Either their parents should have thought twice before having children, or they should have thought twice before making enough mistakes to end up in a shithole. [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47846790']No, she signed a contract to [i]act[/i] in porn, to engage in consensual sex. Being [i]forced[/i] to do something is rape. Like if you take someone to your room and you're going at it and then you force your partner to do something they don't want to do then you did something without consent, you committed rape. Just because they said "ok, let's have sex" does not mean they said "ok, you can force me to do things I don't want to do."[/QUOTE]She signed a contract which clearly outlined the sorts of acts that will be performed on her. If what they did to her was not in the contract, she can easily sue them. [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47846790']Except that wasn't the case and it's very rare for it to be enforced or for porn actors to be taken serious or have legal protection. Like I said, the industry plays fast and loose with the law and there's absolutely no oversight or regulation because no lawmakers wants to touch it.[/QUOTE]If there is a case (ie. breach of contract), there is a lawyer that will take it and fight for it. If it is a good case, they are also likely to win. It doesn't matter if it is the porn industry, food industry or the comic book industry. If a legal contract has been breached, especially when there is video evidence of said breach, it makes for a very good court case.

[QUOTE=seano12;47846894]And you don't understand that this is how they attain customers. The people that consume this type of porn wish to fulfill their violent fantasies somehow, so they go out of their way to find porn just like this (not me of course). You also try to speak from a position of high moral authority, but the truth of the matter is that the people who run these small firms do not think like that and are scumbags. The people involved (maybe not the actors themselves) have probably done this dozens if not a hundred or more times so they are de-sensitized. Sure it's hard to watch, and sure it is sexual violence from time to time, but your thought process is irrelevant to this segment of the industry.[/QUOTE] And that makes it ok somehow?

[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846895]Straw man.[/quote] Not really, just following from your logic so far. [quote]Foxconn workers are, for the most part, born and raised in Taiwan. Either their parents should have thought twice before having children, or they should have thought twice before making enough mistakes to end up in a shithole.[/quote] oh wooooow [quote]She signed a contract which clearly outlined the sorts of acts that will be performed on her. If what they did to her was not in the contract, she can easily sue them.[/quote] Not really, as I've said, this isn't the case. [quote]If there is a case (ie. breach of contract), there is a lawyer that will take it and fight for it. If it is a good case, they are also likely to win. It doesn't matter if it is the porn industry, food industry or the comic book industry. If a legal contract has been breached, especially when there is video evidence of said breach, it makes for a very good court case.[/QUOTE] That's the problem though, is that because laws and regulation are so scarce, it's extremely difficult to win a case. Because contracts are written very loosely, or not at all, then you're looking at situations where you have women abused but with no legal option. That or they have people like you who look at a contract that reads: "Have sex on camera get paid money" and say "WELL, looks like the contract was followed, no case!" There isn't an OSHA for porn, the DoL keeps pretty clear from it, there are no unions, no regulatory agencies, nothing. There are very few lawyers who are involved in the porn industry, and the ones that are work for the ones with the money- the producers, not the women and when it comes down to it not the male actors either.

[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846895]Straw man.[/QUOTE] It's literally what you're saying. Going through your little handbook of argument catchphrases doesn't change that. [QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846895]Foxconn workers are, for the most part, born and raised in Taiwan. Either their parents should have thought twice before having children, or they should have thought twice before making enough mistakes to end up in a shithole.[/QUOTE] Holy shit. Ignore the world-wide social pressure to have children, ignore the fact that they were likely born into the shithole and know nothing else (with no way to escape) - It's all their fault! [QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846895]She signed a contract which clearly outlined the sorts of acts that will be performed on her. If what they did to her was not in the contract, she can easily sue them.[/QUOTE] The kind of company to make and sell porn in which women are raped is the kind of company to do anything they can to keep someone from winning a successful lawsuit against them, especially a former actress. Acting like they're on equal footing is ridiculous and shortsighted. [QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846895]If there is a case (ie. breach of contract), there is a lawyer that will take it and fight for it. If it is a good case, they are also likely to win. It doesn't matter if it is the porn industry, food industry or the comic book industry. If a legal contract has been breached, especially when there is video evidence of said breach, it makes for a very good court case.[/QUOTE] Same as above.

damn, looks interesting

Bumbanaut has gone from cold indifference to straight up victim blaming

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;47847064]Bumbanaut has gone from cold indifference to straight up victim blaming[/QUOTE] He had 20 minutes ago, at least. Seems like he's just gone to rating everyone who argued against his shitty opinions funny. :v:

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47847072]He had 20 minutes ago, at least. Seems like he's just gone to rating everyone who argued against his shitty opinions funny. :v:[/QUOTE] Hey that's ok, seano12, the guy who has "CREEP" labeling every one of his posts, is covering the "dumbs".

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47847130']Hey that's ok, seano12, the guy who has "CREEP" labeling every one of his posts, is covering the "dumbs".[/QUOTE] The salt (and lack of a solid argument) is real.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47847133]The salt (and lack of a solid argument) is real.[/QUOTE] You act as if you have an argument to stand on, or if you do its original. I disagree as you have simply been stating the obvious which of course has no weight on this segment of the porn industry whatsoever. Yet you continue for some reason. I am trying to convey the perspective of the industry yet you refuse to look at it in such a way, stuck in your position of moral authority which is quite boring to say the least. [editline]31st May 2015[/editline] I get a funny? Someones been triggered.

[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846706]Not sure what you are asking here, but she could have easily walked off the set at any time. The contract is only there to ensure she is doing what she is paid to do, it is not forcing her to actually do any of it. She just won't get the money if she doesn't.[/QUOTE] she can walk off-set while a presumably much bigger person is grabbing her and forcing his penis down her throat? i'm asking how signing a contract changes the fact that she doesn't want to keep going, whether she was previously into it or not doesn't mean that forcing them into sex with is magically not rape

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