• Hot Girls Wanted Trailer - A Netflix Movie about the amateur porn industry
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[QUOTE=Cone;47847690]she can walk off-set while a presumably much bigger person is grabbing her and forcing his penis down her throat? i'm asking how signing a contract changes the fact that she doesn't want to keep going, whether she was previously into it or not doesn't mean that forcing them into sex with is magically not rape[/QUOTE] imo if you agree to film rape fantasy / rough sex vids you should know full well what you're going into. Aside from a safe word or a hand motion, it's a little like taking an acid trip. If you're not willing to go from start to finish and experience everything in between, don't sign up. As deplorable as the porn industry is I think it's a little condescending and stupid to pretend the girls have little to no responsibility or accountability for their poor decisions. Raising awareness of porn industry practices and introducing regulation is the right way to go, but pretending the girls that get into hardcore pornography are naive, innocent angels who have no way of escaping is stupid I think. Everybody knows what happens in porn. Everybody knows that it's public. This idea that girls get into it and then have some shocking realization their reputation is ruined is ridiculous. [editline]31st May 2015[/editline] And yeah, you can walk off set. Unless they're holding you down, covering your mouth, and you specifically are filming a rape scene, you can walk away, slap the actor, scream, etc
[QUOTE=srobins;47848070]imo if you agree to film rape fantasy / rough sex vids you should know full well what you're going into. Aside from a safe word or a hand motion, it's a little like taking an acid trip. If you're not willing to go from start to finish and experience everything in between, don't sign up. As deplorable as the porn industry is I think it's a little condescending and stupid to pretend the girls have little to no responsibility or accountability for their poor decisions. Raising awareness of porn industry practices and introducing regulation is the right way to go, but pretending the girls that get into hardcore pornography are naive, innocent angels who have no way of escaping is stupid I think. Everybody knows what happens in porn. Everybody knows that it's public. This idea that girls get into it and then have some shocking realization their reputation is ruined is ridiculous. [editline]31st May 2015[/editline] And yeah, you can walk off set. Unless they're holding you down, covering your mouth, and you specifically are filming a rape scene, you can walk away, slap the actor, scream, etc[/QUOTE] The problem is there is no light shed on contractual obligations of pornstars beyond the typical assumed stuff like STD testing and whatnot. If some girl signs up to do a video for facialabuse.com she should probably do some research beforehand, and upon seeing a huge dick forced down a girl's throat resulting in vomit, and a continuation despite that for the next 10 minutes, she would probably change her mind. I highly doubt that a contract for something like that would include "you agree to allow a penis to be inserted into your throat to the point where you may not be comfortable with it, and if you are not you can not do anything because a huge rip tearjaw guy will be holding you down and/or locking his legs around your head". You can't just "escape" from a situation like that. I do not think that resenting a sexual act afterwards is grounds for calling rape, but if you feel uncomfortable anywhere in the act and you feel you are being pushed or forced and are clearly in distress, it is at that point a non-consensual act. I've seen a lot of documentaries about pornstars and the "amateur"-professional starting shit is always the worst. It's when an actress has no name and no reputation, and is literally the equivalent of dirt. If they put up with it or find a different avenue it really does get better. They're eventually treated with respect and are seen as actual humans.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;47848295]The problem is there is no light shed on contractual obligations of pornstars beyond the typical assumed stuff like STD testing and whatnot. If some girl signs up to do a video for facialabuse.com she should probably do some research beforehand, and upon seeing a huge dick forced down a girl's throat resulting in vomit, and a continuation despite that for the next 10 minutes, she would probably change her mind. I highly doubt that a contract for something like that would include "you agree to allow a penis to be inserted into your throat to the point where you may not be comfortable with it, and if you are not you can not do anything because a huge rip tearjaw guy will be holding you down and/or locking his legs around your head". You can't just "escape" from a situation like that. I do not think that resenting a sexual act afterwards is grounds for calling rape, but if you feel uncomfortable anywhere in the act and you feel you are being pushed or forced and are clearly in distress, it is at that point a non-consensual act. I've seen a lot of documentaries about pornstars and the "amateur"-professional starting shit is always the worst. It's when an actress has no name and no reputation, and is literally the equivalent of dirt. If they put up with it or find a different avenue it really does get better. They're eventually treated with respect and are seen as actual humans.[/QUOTE] All I mean to say is that in that scenario you can signal you want out. The only case where you have no way of requesting an end to the scene is rape scenes.
[QUOTE=srobins;47848662]All I mean to say is that in that scenario you can signal you want out. The only case where you have no way of requesting an end to the scene is rape scenes.[/QUOTE] You're right but all in all it is a scary sexual situation. If I ever end up in prison I sure don't want my cellmate to stick his dick in my ass but if he does it's not like I can tell him to stop halfway through insertion. It really isn't that different from porn. There's a reason most of those girls are there. It's just like strippers or hookers. They're in it because they either genuinely like it (small percentage) or they have nowhere else to turn. The least that these studios could do is provide a more...human environment for them? I understand that there's some real depraved shit out there but the fact of the matter is the women involved in those videos are made aware of the risks prior to accepting it. Things like this are not like that. It'd be like going to do an interview for a career doing the thing you love most and on your first day you are handed a mop and bucket and are told to clean the restrooms. The real professional industry is completely different. The entry level stuff is exploitative and disgusting. In one documentary I was watching there was one particular guy that every new girl had to do a video with, and he was an absolute dick. He was very pushy, and intentionally stepped over lines and his purpose was to break the girls down and make them HAVE to stay in the industry.
This was actually a really interesting watch.
[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846605]I'm not an expert on amateur porn industry contracts, but I am certain that it had clearly outlined the limits of the acts that would be performed on her. If forcing genitals down her throat was in the contract, then it's completely fair and she has no reason to complain. If it wasn't in the contract, then she can easily hire a lawyer with the money they paid her and sue them for a very significant sum of money. I'm not sure why you are comparing murder to sexual acts. It's also not rape if she agreed to it by definition, and a contract is there to serve as evidence.[/QUOTE] actually in a lot of legalities you cannot consent to bodily harm with the exception of a medical procedure. Even if you were to consent, it would still count a s a crime.
[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846895] Foxconn workers are, for the most part, born and raised in Taiwan. Either their parents should have thought twice before having children, or they should have thought twice before making enough mistakes to end up in a shithole.[/QUOTE] [Seed Eater] must have more patience than me for trying to strike empathy for exploited workers in someone who appears to lack the capability for empathy.
[QUOTE=srobins;47848662]All I mean to say is that in that scenario you can signal you want out. The only case where you have no way of requesting an end to the scene is rape scenes.[/QUOTE] Let's just walk off set after we just realized we don't want to do this anymore, followed by the immediate realization that we're in the middle of some random house a thousand miles from home surrounded by a bunch of male strangers who all expect and want us to do this in an industry that will bully the fuck out of you for not doing so! No pressure!
[QUOTE=thisispain;47849035][Seed Eater] must have more patience than me for trying to strike empathy for exploited workers in someone who appears to lack the capability for empathy.[/QUOTE] b-b-but they signed [I]a contract!!![/I]
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;47849104]Let's just walk off set after we just realized we don't want to do this anymore, followed by the immediate realization that we're in the middle of some random house a thousand miles from home surrounded by a bunch of male strangers who all expect and want us to do this in an industry that will bully the fuck out of you for not doing so! No pressure![/QUOTE] I don't understand, what are the studios supposed to do about that? Say you agree to do some rough sex in a porno and decide it's going too far, but you're too uncomfortable to speak up, how are the people filming supposed to realize? I know I'm playing devil's avocado for the worst team in history but realistically, what would you say would make this situation acceptable? It's not enough for the people filming to stop, they're somehow still guilty just because the actress is uncomfortable with the situation she put herself into? [editline]1st June 2015[/editline] I'm not defending contractual rape, I'm just saying there's only so much a porn studio can do when an actress changes her mind about a job, and that's to respect their decision and stop what they're doing. Unfortunately that won't make the situation any less uncomfortable, but I don't think it constitutes rape.
[QUOTE=srobins;47849236]I don't understand, what are the studios supposed to do about that? Say you agree to do some rough sex in a porno and decide it's going too far, but you're too uncomfortable to speak up, how are the people filming supposed to realize? I know I'm playing devil's avocado for the worst team in history but realistically, what would you say would make this situation acceptable? It's not enough for the people filming to stop, they're somehow still guilty just because the actress is uncomfortable with the situation she put herself into? [editline]1st June 2015[/editline] I'm not defending contractual rape, I'm just saying there's only so much a porn studio can do when an actress changes her mind about a job, and that's to respect their decision and stop what they're doing. Unfortunately that won't make the situation any less uncomfortable, but I don't think it constitutes rape.[/QUOTE] Most of the time they can't say it makes them uncomfortable, because at that point it ruins their ability to get future work. As I have mentioned before, most of the time they're there because they have nowhere else to turn. It's a shitty situation, and in an example like "well I didn't really want to do anal but I had to", I would say is not rape. What we're talking about here is when the actress is in very clear, obvious distress. Throwing up because you gagged on a huge cock and being unable to breath and squirming for your life is clear, obvious distress. But continuing to move on despite that is wrong.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;47849323]Most of the time they can't say it makes them uncomfortable, because at that point it ruins their ability to get future work. As I have mentioned before, most of the time they're there because they have nowhere else to turn. It's a shitty situation, and in an example like "well I didn't really want to do anal but I had to", I would say is not rape. What we're talking about here is when the actress is in very clear, obvious distress. Throwing up because you gagged on a huge cock and being unable to breath and squirming for your life is clear, obvious distress. But continuing to move on despite that is wrong.[/QUOTE] It seems like it would logically follow that if you refuse to do work you've agreed to do, you won't be hired in the future. Personally I'd prefer not being raped over continuing my promising career in pornography, but either way I don't see what else there is for the studio to do in this scenario. Even in the case of throwing up / gagging / squirming, these are often part of fetish videos that specialize in exactly this. If an actress signs up for something like that, they need to establish a safeword or some kind of way of notifying that things have gone too far. If that is violated then I think you'd be well within you rights to call it rape, same goes for if those types of things weren't part of the deal and you're forced into it. I just don't think signing up for something bad and then backing out of it constitutes rape, or even necessarily some sort of wrongdoing on the studio's part, so long as they stop when it's obvious the actress wants it to stop. [editline]1st June 2015[/editline] Also this stuff about "nowhere else to turn" is fucking insane to me, no offense. There are a [b]lot[/b] of places to turn, other than pornography. It's like saying people who sell their organs are victims because they had nowhere else to turn. If you're in America, Canada, the UK, or virtually any other modern country, you have so many places to turn other than pornography. It's a cop-out for poor decision making and a desire to get rich quick.
[QUOTE=srobins;47849482]It seems like it would logically follow that if you refuse to do work you've agreed to do, you won't be hired in the future. Personally I'd prefer not being raped over continuing my promising career in pornography, but either way I don't see what else there is for the studio to do in this scenario. Even in the case of throwing up / gagging / squirming, these are often part of fetish videos that specialize in exactly this. If an actress signs up for something like that, they need to establish a safeword or some kind of way of notifying that things have gone too far. If that is violated then I think you'd be well within you rights to call it rape, same goes for if those types of things weren't part of the deal and you're forced into it. I just don't think signing up for something bad and then backing out of it constitutes rape, or even necessarily some sort of wrongdoing on the studio's part, so long as they stop when it's obvious the actress wants it to stop. [editline]1st June 2015[/editline] Also this stuff about "nowhere else to turn" is fucking insane to me, no offense. There are a [b]lot[/b] of places to turn, other than pornography. It's like saying people who sell their organs are victims because they had nowhere else to turn. If you're in America, Canada, the UK, or virtually any other modern country, you have so many places to turn other than pornography. It's a cop-out for poor decision making and a desire to get rich quick.[/QUOTE] I agree with you on all of that except for the last part. I think you're right in the sense that it starts as a cop out for quick cash, but then it becomes something they eventually have to keep doing.
Amateurs.
i watched it I thought it was pretty poorly done imo.
This is why the world needs more Hentai.
[QUOTE=redBadger;47850423]i watched it I thought it was pretty poorly done imo.[/QUOTE] how so? I have yet to watch it.
I'm not entirely sure on the details but couldn't these girls tell what [B]exactly[/B] they are only willing to do? I'm pretty sure the people involved would respect it if it was legally binding in some way.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;47850928]I'm not entirely sure on the details but couldn't these girls tell what [B]exactly[/B] they are only willing to do? I'm pretty sure the people involved would respect it if it was legally binding in some way.[/QUOTE] See but I reckon what you're willing to do directly fucks with your pay and shit like that, because they want someone who'll do everything Like I imagine if they ask you to do anal and you say no, you're probably fucking yourself over
Then I guess its kind of shallow that somebody would put themselves through doing unwanted sexual acts rather than work at retail. Even legal prostitutes or escorts have more choice then that.
film was poorly done, more a profile of a couple of porn stars and the effect it's had on their lives, glossing over the [I]very serious[/I] issues about consent and abuse and exploitation and shit. like, they mention the facialabuse guy and the girl was like "i thought it was a regular blowjob scene until i turned up and they told me what was happening", said it was the worst thing she ever did. and another girl was like "to keep in work i need to do more hardcore stuff" most of them don't last longer than a few months doing this - financially they aren't that well off and it can [I]potentially[/I] ruin their future employment prospects. but in this thread let's focus on how "they signed a contract to let someone treat them like shit so it's okay", yeah sure. [editline]1st June 2015[/editline] what surprised me about this film was pretty much all of the people when you look at their backgrounds were from fairly well to do families, big houses in texas, going a drive in the pickup truck. somehow, they got inside their minds that going away to get fucked in miami for $2000 was worth their while, but at the end there's no "god damn, i'm stuck in a cycle" because they were rich enough to get out of it and now have a nice management job and a big pickup of their own and a big house.
Why are they calling this amateur porn this looks to be about when women first enter pro porn, I thought amateur porn is when ALL of the participants are not trained porn pros and it is shot outside of studio conditions
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;47854170]Why are they calling this amateur porn this looks to be about when women first enter pro porn, I thought amateur porn is when ALL of the participants are not trained porn pros and it is shot outside of studio conditions[/QUOTE] Who knows maybe it comes down to income brackets.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;47850732]how so? I have yet to watch it.[/QUOTE] It was just so boring. There was only one part that really struck me and that was the facial abuse part where it was revealed that the girls first shoot she had to vomit and lick it up. Other than that it was a snore fest, didnt really show anything.
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