First look at Powerpuff Girls reboot - General

[QUOTE=simzboy;49739479][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hPwDrxO.png[/IMG] The background characters remind me of those shitty nursery rhyme videos on Youtube.[/QUOTE] This is PPG? Christ, I know times have changed but the artstyle just really DOESN'T work for PPG IMHO. Like, in the new commercials and stuff, the original characters look OK but the new ones look like garbage. And something about this artstyle just doesn't look right, it looks like everything else on CN, like all the shows are intertwined somehow.

[QUOTE=Rocko's;49739553]This is PPG? Christ, I know times have changes but the artstyle just really DOESN'T work for PPG IMHO. Like, in the new commercials and stuff, the original characters look OK but the new ones look like garbage. And something about this artstyle just doesn't look right, it looks like everything else on CN, like all the shows are intertwined somehow.[/QUOTE] It's because this shitty, low-effort art style appeals to young adults and manchildren on the internet

-i guess i was WRONG or something-

[QUOTE=simzboy;49739479][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hPwDrxO.png[/IMG] The background characters remind me of those shitty nursery rhyme videos on Youtube.[/QUOTE] It looks so generic, progressive and safe. Jesus christ.

[QUOTE=galimatias;49733241]How is that guy even a MRA? He's more like a jab at those guys who think 1910 illustrations of men with beards are the apex of human evolution[/QUOTE] He hates women, mocking Buttercup as a little princess. Circa, he's [I]obviously [/I]an MRA.

I love how shows try to steal Adventure Time's art style, even though Aventure Time tries to do some experimental stuff regarding artstyle. See Noir Bmo and Food Chain. [editline]14th February 2016[/editline] It also works because it's the creator's actual artstyle, and they manage to get to get some great shots with it. [editline]14th February 2016[/editline] It works in Regular Show, too, since it's basically the modernist stoner comedy of Cartoon Network.

I guess I'm the only one digging the art style? Seems to be where all the modern artists are going, and I suppose I don't watch enough cartoons to get tired of it. Also that miniature lumberjack villain is too much, I'll check this episode out.

I think the reason that the style doesn't fit the Powerpuff Girls because PPF is a 50s-60s -Hanna-Barbera-styled superhero show at it's core.

Oh what the fuck are these green lantern ass powers what the shit

I liked the Lumberjack, I think with a few tweaks he'd fit right in among the old rogues gallery, but the rest just doesn't fit the series. It wouldn't bother me as much if they changed the old characters to keep it consistent with the new artwork. It's the same issue I have with that new Lion King cartoon. [IMG]http://cdn2-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2015/08/the-lion-guard-disney-channel.jpg[/IMG] It's incredibly obvious what was made by the new staff and what was based off of the old character sheets and it's off-putting, especially for people familiar with the original to just about any degree.

Eh, I feel like giving my opinion here doesn't matter since I only watched cartoons early 2000's; I feel like this cartoon and other cartoons in general are catered towards a newer generation. Now I watch anime and my life has gone downhill fyi

[QUOTE=Durrsly;49740053]I liked the Lumberjack, I think with a few tweaks he'd fit right in with the rest of the rogues gallery, but the rest just doesn't fit the series. It wouldn't bother me as much if they changed the old characters to keep it consistent with the new artwork. It's the same issue I have with that new Lion King cartoon. [IMG]http://cdn2-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2015/08/the-lion-guard-disney-channel.jpg[/IMG] It's incredibly obvious what was made by the new staff and what was based off of the old character sheets and it's off-putting for people familiar with the original.[/QUOTE] Holy shit that looks awful it's like they pasted them on to the background [editline]14th February 2016[/editline] I mean forget the Powerpuff Girls, someone seriously needs to euthanise that cheetah.

[QUOTE=simzboy;49739479][img]http://i.imgur.com/hPwDrxO.png[/img] The background characters remind me of those shitty nursery rhyme videos on Youtube.[/QUOTE] I take this back [QUOTE=MissingGlitch;49730234]So, was it just the design of the bad guy? This trailer makes it seem like just a flash based version of the old show.[/QUOTE] The trailer made it look better then it really did holy shit.

[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;49739911]I love how shows try to steal Adventure Time's art style, even though Aventure Time tries to do some experimental stuff regarding artstyle. See Noir Bmo and Food Chain. [editline]14th February 2016[/editline] It also works because it's the creator's actual artstyle, and they manage to get to get some great shots with it. [editline]14th February 2016[/editline] It works in Regular Show, too, since it's basically the modernist stoner comedy of Cartoon Network.[/QUOTE] I get more of a Clarence vibe than AT out of it

[QUOTE=simzboy;49739479][img]http://i.imgur.com/hPwDrxO.png[/img] The background characters remind me of those shitty nursery rhyme videos on Youtube.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is perspective holy shit

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;49740350]What the fuck is perspective holy shit[/QUOTE] THAT was what was bugging me about this picture, thank you!

[QUOTE=Rocko's;49739553]And something about this artstyle just doesn't look right, it looks like everything else on CN, like all the shows are intertwined somehow.[/QUOTE] They are! They were when the original PPG was airinig too! How is this so difficult to understand, guys? I mean, I don't like how this looks at all, but It's not some fucking conspiracy like some of you are making it out to be. [editline]14th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49739597]It's because this shitty, low-effort art style appeals to young adults and manchildren on the internet[/QUOTE] lmfao [QUOTE=Aphtonites;49739708]It looks so generic, progressive and safe. Jesus christ.[/QUOTE] You're definitely using progressive wrong. Progressive would imply something original is going on. [t]http://alexandre-spontak.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ppg_vignette_600px.jpg[/t] I would have been perfectly hyped for a series that looked like this :T The only things that didn't do it for me in that special was the use of uninterpolated keyframes and the heavy handed bloom. There wasn't enough contrast in the overall color pallet either, [URL="http://sourcefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Powerpuff.jpg"]resulting in shots where important elements get completely lost if they aren't moving[/URL]. Still, at least it looked fucking cool, and it looked like it still had that Craig/ Genndy design language. Plus the combination of 2d and 3d animation always tickles my nips. My problem with this PPG reboot so far isn't even really the aesthetic. It's that the staging and composition overall is just shit. Maybe this was just a weak part of a possibly stronger episode, but the [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJkwOVm9K4"]current generation of Cartoon Network storyboarders are capable of so much more[/URL]. pop on any episode of Adventure time (especially the last halloween special god damn) and it shits all over this.

keeping in mind that i am not an animator or an artist, i will now proceed to write my thoughts on a reboot of a children's cartoon aimed at little girls: powerpuff girls was one of the trend-setting shows for what john k referred to as "designer cartoons". these were flat cartoons that emphasized design and visual appeal at the cost of other fundamentals. this an approach that you can see in everything from clone high to steven universe, with varying results. with powerpuff girls, careful attention was paid to how everything looked, both individually and when put together as a whole. that latter part is important; the individual elements looked good when put together. it wasn't always perfect, but it's hard to deny that it was appealing to look at, and for anyone who watched it as a kid the design of nearly every character in the show is probably burned into your mind. with that, we come to the dance pantsed special: [img_thumb]http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/the-powerpuff-girls-dance-pantsed-poster.jpg[/img_thumb] this kevin dart-led reboot(?) caused some controversy with how extreme of a makeover the powerpuff girls themselves got, but if we keep in mind what the original show was going for we can see that it's simply the same design philosophy cranked up to 11, with lush backgrounds and crazy color palettes bringing anime levels of eye candy to what was once a simple show. yet despite the increase in visual fidelity, everything still jives together in a way that might even rival the original series. some might consider it too extreme, but there was a clear conscious effort made to stay true to the spirit of the original, and despite not particularly enjoying the special, i certainly found it pretty to look at. all of this helps us illustrate the reason why the PPG reboot looks so terrible: virtually no thought seems to have been put into the way any of the assets look when put together. the trailer is a clusterfuck. some backgrounds look like they came out of the dance pantsed special, others look like the original, others look like adventure time, many of the new characters look like they came out of a show like clarence, yet returning characters still have mostly the same design. the result is a visually incoherent mess that, as i said earlier, looks like a flash movie from the early 2000's. for a cartoon that's still sticking with the idea of focusing on design and appeal, it has paid virtually no attention to the overall look of the show. they seem downright confused about what they're trying to do. even fucking 12 oz mouse feels more coherently put-together visually than what we've seen so far. this is to say nothing of the animation quality (which, judging by the lumberjack teaser, probably won't be that great), the new voices, or the writing, which will likely be other problems entirely. to illustrate my point about the people doing this reboot seeming to have no idea what they're doing, take a look at the new designs for the main characters: [IMG]http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/06/ppg-key-art-pr-2016-top-139226.jpg[/IMG] bubbles has her pigtails moved up, blossom has her bow change a bit (it's a bit fatter at the top, i think?), and buttercup has a random cowlick that i thought was an animation error when i saw it in motion. what do these changes say about the show? do they express anything about how the show is going to look, or are they just there to be there? the cowlick on buttercup is especially baffling. i'm sure it's to indicate that she's tough or whatever, but her original design (which is present virtually unchanged in spite of the cowlick) already expresses that. hell, her silhouette expresses that! the cowlick takes a simple, streamlined design and makes it busy and kind of annoying to look at. compare this to kevin dart's take: [IMG]http://static2.hypable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/powerpuff-new-girls.jpg[/IMG] a radical change to be sure, but it's very much a reflection of the aesthetic of the special they appeared in, while still expressing the personalities of the characters themselves. this version has a cowlick for buttercup too, but it's incorporated into her design in a way that flows and feels balanced and natural. anyway that's my opinions on cartoons

I kinda wish they went with the original version of the powerpuff girls for the reboot The Whoopass Girls would've catered to the original viewers now that we've aged much more imo

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49739838]He hates women, mocking Buttercup as a little princess. Circa, he's [I]obviously [/I]an MRA.[/QUOTE] Circa?

If I recall the original cartoon had blood and teeth getting knocked out quite frequently. Seeing them doing a beat up skit without it just looks really Sterile.

it should look exactly like the old show (maybe in HD) or a completely new style. This halfway shit does just look like everything else. But hey, if you keep it the same style s everything else you get a sick discount at the korean inbetweens studio. [editline]15th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Oizen;49745332]If I recall the original cartoon had blood and teeth getting knocked out quite frequently. Seeing them doing a beat up skit without it just looks really Sterile.[/QUOTE] I don't know anymore. At first I thought that cartoons today aren't allowed to be that violent, but then you got Spongebob doing weird shit with that toenail scene.

waaat, the video is not allowed to play in my country??

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;49726188][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/uwwACxI.png[/IMG] Sounds like someone forgot to apply some compression on that loud sound effect :hurr:[/QUOTE] or they're an extreme hipster who thinks they're combatting the loudness war despite holding a job in TV post [editline]15th February 2016[/editline] "pff you dumb 5 year olds don't know what REAL audio is. just turn up the volume"

[t]http://static1.squarespace.com/static/51fc69d3e4b0f7c27ae8245c/t/52e1d2bde4b07cd558a2ccee/1390531264559/Mayor%26ms.png[/t] I don't give a fuck what any cunt thinks about the aesthetic of this special. Everyone involved in this seems to understand what makes PPG tick way more than those in charge of this reboot. Look at those fucking background characters! Even though the pacing was all fucked (imo, they found a good stride during the flashback), they understood the writing style too. Damn it, I want THAT ppg. All I'd change is give the main characters the deeper colors they had in the original while keeping the faded look of the background stuff. [editline]15th February 2016[/editline] [URL="https://www.facebook.com/ThePowerpuffGirls/videos/995011267203805/"]NEW INTRO IS OUT[/URL] If the show itself had this animation quality, I'd actually do a 180. I really like this intro. Now that I see how the other character designs are adapted, I don't feel like the overall new aesthetic is as jarring. If the whole show had the mixed medium shit going on in the intro, I'd take everything I said against it back. But the show's composition and staging is still shit, which is a damn shame considering that PPG was sorta the show that set a new standard when it comes to that shit. note: I've only watched this muted and I haven't heard good things about the music.

[QUOTE=simzboy;49739479][img]http://i.imgur.com/hPwDrxO.png[/img] The background characters remind me of those shitty nursery rhyme videos on Youtube.[/QUOTE] The lumberjack, the background charcters, and the powerpuff girls all have different artstyles and it's really jarring.

About the new intro, Professor cracks the ChemX by accident while celebrating. It's really pretty and a well animated bit of character acting but it also completely removes Mojo's involvement in the PPG's birth, so that kinda sucks.

[QUOTE=xalener;49746912][t]http://static1.squarespace.com/static/51fc69d3e4b0f7c27ae8245c/t/52e1d2bde4b07cd558a2ccee/1390531264559/Mayor%26ms.png[/t] I don't give a fuck what any cunt thinks about the aesthetic of this special. Everyone involved in this seems to understand what makes PPG tick way more than those in charge of this reboot. Look at those fucking background characters! [/QUOTE] Honestly I think that artstyle has the opposite problems that the new one does. The background characters look great but PPG themselves look horrible. While I really appreciate how loyal the designs of the girls are in the new artstyle, it's the only good thing about it. Literally best of both worlds with these artstyles.

I don't believe that in any capacity the Kevin Dart PPG designs are horrible, but I do believe there's a lack of focus. Especially when it comes to contrast. The revival special's color palette is too unified for its own good, and characters get lost in the bg really easily. They also suffer from the jittery uninterpolated keyframes, which could work if the rigs were more flexible. The designs work very well as drawings, but not models. Well, they could work as models, but they didn't spend enough time on giving them the range drawings could have. It probably would have been better as a whole if they went hybrid traditional/ 2d puppet like Fosters or Wander Over Yonder. The KD designs work for me because its the result of completely re-thinking the characters within the context of their world.TheHydra's post sums up any rant I'd go on here. I'll just leave it at this. I'd rather a ground up overhaul that doesn't resemble the original much than taking the original designs and tweaking stuff. This shit makes me wanna make my own Powerpuff Girls. I now have to make an animated short called Return to Townsville where the three now-grown sisters are re-united under mysterious circumstances after being apart for the decade the show's been off air.

honestly, it's not even "just trying to be adventure time" or being "safe" it's really just the designers being incredibly lazy and clueless to the design. that's the bottom line. these are incredibly lazy designs for PPG. in adventure time, simple designs worked because of the mood they (originally) were going for (light-hearted fun adventures and childlike wonder) and the potential expansion of said style. plus, the characters were interesting and unique and had a lot of different attributes that make them identifiable. hell, when you apply it to other shows, it works too because the show went for those moods. Steven Universe works when using it because it's very much a kid's show and that's the theme they're going for, and they design a lot of strange looking characters that still have humanistic traits. Gravity Falls works because it's using the design with a lot of grit, again fitting the childlike wonder and exploration aspect with a spice of mystery. Star vs. The Forces Of Evil, childlike wonder, blah blah etc. etc. this is being applied to PPG in a way that doesn't make sense, since the mood of the show is radically different from adventure time. it's an action show, about actiony fight scenes and interesting villan-a-week plotlines. it's not really about growing up like these other shows are. That's not a bad thing per-say, hell it's a really fucking refreshing thing after we've gone so long without having that kind of saturday-moring-kickassery in a show. but when you take away the angular designs and fight against the almost comic-book style the original show went for, you're left with something that just feels rounded and thoughtless. like, they gave the animators a script and they animated it, and there was nothing more to it than that. they just simply followed design rules on how to make a character. so maybe not laziness, but just a lack of really good thought the original had. art style isn't that big of a fuckin issue as long as the story's still great (yet to be seen,_ but i'm given a sense of "i've had the taste of something much better and would prefer more of that rather than something subpar and boring." this is one of the weakest cartoon's i've ever seen. hell, fucking [I]johnny test[/I] had more of a style and design than this did. [QUOTE=xalener;49746912] [URL="https://www.facebook.com/ThePowerpuffGirls/videos/995011267203805/"]NEW INTRO IS OUT[/URL][/QUOTE] WHAT THE [B]FUCK[/B] hokay now this show's really fucking with me. if this is seriously what they can produce and they chose not to, that's completely fucked up. it's not even a case of "this really expensive intro is great and i want it x100 for the rest of the show" but it shows that they have the ability to design something. if the show had more fluidity like this, even down to the fucking [I]editing[/I] of the show, we'd be golden. it's got perspective, it's got rythem, it's got [I]style[/I]. i think that's what the show is ultimately missing. [B]style[/B].