20 reason to be excited about Destiny: The Taken King
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[QUOTE=Velocet;48421022]So now it's the game people were hyped about, and it has double the content. I don't see why that's disappointing. Now that it's up to the standards people had in their minds back when it was first shown at E3 2013, they have 8 more years to add content including DLC, standalone expansions and full on sequels that will add PC support and toss out the old consoles ridding the game of any limitations it may of had.[/QUOTE]
No, it's the game people were hyped about 1 year late and requiring another $40 for what is a small story and mostly quality of life improvements. The new expansion won't be worth the price and I know this because every piece of Destiny content has been over priced while under delivering. With the content Destiny will have once Taken King is out I would consider it to be worth the base price, not the $135 it costs now.
Destiny fans should be fucking furious to be honest. You got a shallow game with no story, then an expansion that just seemed like a lazy cash grab, then an expansion that focused on adding another place for you to grind on their terrible loot system, and now an expansion that costs as much as a mid-tier game and the developers are saying it actually has a story this time. And the best way to get any of that content is to not have bought Destiny at all and buy the Taken King Legendary Edition for $60 to get everything.
Bungie are pretty much pissing in your faces and you're thanking them for it. I'm glad I got of the Destiny train once I finished the main story.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;48421142]No, it's the game people were hyped about 1 year late and requiring another $40 for what is a small story and mostly quality of life improvements. The new expansion won't be worth the price and I know this because every piece of Destiny content has been over priced while under delivering. With the content Destiny will have once Taken King is out I would consider it to be worth the base price, not the $135 it costs now.
Destiny fans should be fucking furious to be honest. You got a shallow game with no story, then an expansion that just seemed like a lazy cash grab, then an expansion that focused on adding another place for you to grind on their terrible loot system, and now an expansion that costs as much as a mid-tier game and the developers are saying it actually has a story this time. And the best way to get any of that content is to not have bought Destiny at all and buy the Taken King Legendary Edition for $60 to get everything.
Bungie are pretty much pissing in your faces and you're thanking them for it. I'm glad I got of the Destiny train once I finished the main story.[/QUOTE]
Then don't buy it. Simple as that.
[QUOTE=Del91;48421149]Then don't buy it. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that excuses shitty business practices. How could I have missed that? It's not like I could be against it on moral grounds or anything, not like thinking about what's best for consumers is a thing.
[QUOTE=Delta616;48420231]Wow, 26 dumbs just because Destiny. Most of these changes are great![/QUOTE]
Sorry that none of us are diehard sonic fanbase levels of brown in the nose to think that paying more money for an experience that we should have had for $60 max, is somehow a "great change." No, you're having shit forced down your throat and actively going back for more.
[editline]9th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Del91;48421149]Then don't buy it. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Just like if you're against the immoral and anti consumer practices in the ISP business you can just not have internet. No, that's not the damn point. The point is this is a disgusting precedent being set that you can part out a mediocre game into DLC the game and sell it to us for over 200% the original price. But you don't have to buy it isn't a valid argument, you're avoiding the centeral point of the debate.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;48421142]No, it's the game people were hyped about 1 year late and requiring another $40 for what is a small story and mostly quality of life improvements. The new expansion won't be worth the price and I know this because every piece of Destiny content has been over priced while under delivering. With the content Destiny will have once Taken King is out I would consider it to be worth the base price, not the $135 it costs now.
Destiny fans should be fucking furious to be honest. You got a shallow game with no story, then an expansion that just seemed like a lazy cash grab, then an expansion that focused on adding another place for you to grind on their terrible loot system, and now an expansion that costs as much as a mid-tier game and the developers are saying it actually has a story this time. And the best way to get any of that content is to not have bought Destiny at all and buy the Taken King Legendary Edition for $60 to get everything.
Bungie are pretty much pissing in your faces and you're thanking them for it. I'm glad I got of the Destiny train once I finished the main story.[/QUOTE]
The gameplay experience they delivered was similar to what they showed off, it just wasn't spot on. Now it's a project coming into its own, and now there's over double the content. Don't see what the problem is considering we're getting the enhancements for free and the content is well worth the $60 for Destiny/the two DLCs and the expansion pack.
[QUOTE=Velocet;48422708]The gameplay experience they delivered was similar to what they showed off, it just wasn't spot on. Now it's a project coming into its own, and now there's over double the content. Don't see what the problem is considering we're getting the enhancements for free and the content is well worth the $60 for Destiny/the two DLCs and the expansion pack.[/QUOTE]
It's not worth the $135 the people who stuck with Destiny will have paid altogether.
[QUOTE=Velocet;48422708]The gameplay experience they delivered was similar to what they showed off, it just wasn't spot on. Now it's a project coming into its own, and now there's over double the content. Don't see what the problem is considering we're getting the enhancements for free and the content is well worth the $60 for Destiny/the two DLCs and the expansion pack.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how anyone could justify a price tag even on the two last expansions.
"Here is one quest chain, a few new bounties, some "world events" and some gear, in the quest line you run into the same fucking enemies as always in the same world as always with 4 new boss fights or whatever" "also a raid" (Raiding might be fun, but you need a group so anyone without a premade team or willing to find a bunch of randoms are fucked).
"Here is a new small hub world, a quest chain and some slightly more interesting bounties and "world events", grinding for legendaries and exotics is now possible, almost too easy in fact. Oh and some new bosses and a wave based arena with a few boring modifiers. Still fighting in the same locations and on the same planets".
Oh also a pitiful amount of new strikes. I would never for the life of me pay for those, especially not premium amounts.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;48423607]It's not worth the $135 the people who stuck with Destiny will have paid altogether.[/QUOTE]
(If you got the game at launch and the collector's edition of TTK it would be $140. Base game post-launch with separate DLC and then Taken King would be [B]$180[/B].)
What you're not realizing here is the community treats this game like a real mmo. They don't care about whether the content is [I]worth [/I]the money, they care if there[I] is[/I] new content at all so they can keep playing.
I enjoy Destiny and play it frequently, but I paid much less than what many players have. If I had paid anything close to full price for the base game + dlc I would probably have a sour impression.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;48421142]Bungie are pretty much pissing in your faces and you're thanking them for it. I'm glad I got of the Destiny train once I finished the main story.[/QUOTE]
As with almost all developers, Bungie doesn't decide what goes in the pack. It was Activision's call. Getting mad at Bungie for it is just being mad for the sake of being mad. Be upset at some of the dumb shit they actually did.
[QUOTE=Kidd;48418656]This game is literally Warframe.[/QUOTE]
Because Warframe has been taking elements from Destiny for almost a year now. (Social hubs, faction xp grinding, raid is pretty much the same stand on plates action as Crota's End, etc.)
[QUOTE=yellowoboe;48420308]Except not as good.[/QUOTE]
Destiny has way better gunplay and (IMO) level design but Warframe's overall structure is just much better thought out. And that is saying something when Warframe is Free 2 Play and designed in such a way to encourage you to spend money. Destiny manages to be even more grindy despite being a full $60 product.
[editline]10th August 2015[/editline]
At least the xpack will improve this but we'll see by how much
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;48423701](If you got the game at launch and the collector's edition of TTK it would be $140. Base game post-launch with separate DLC and then Taken King would be [B]$180[/B].)
What you're not realizing here is the community treats this game like a real mmo. They don't care about whether the content is [I]worth [/I]the money, they care if there[I] is[/I] new content at all so they can keep playing.
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Oh I realise it. I just think these people are fucking ludicrous, just like I though people were out of their minds when WoW got big. The difference here is real MMOs have content built around their Skinner Box, Destiny barely has as much content as a standard shooter.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;48423920]The difference here is real MMOs have content built around their Skinner Box, Destiny barely has as much content as a standard shooter.[/QUOTE]
MMO's have been building their content for years. WoW was pretty sparse at launch, and every expansion since hasn't had "enough content". Destiny absolutely has more content than a "standard shooter".
I'm not defending the pricing, but come on. That's how it is with these games. PVP players say PVP is unbalanced and PVE players want more content.
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As with almost all developers, Bungie doesn't decide what goes in the pack. It was Activision's call. Getting mad at Bungie for it is just being mad for the sake of being mad.[/QUOTE]
Activision made the call but Bungie said yes to it. I'm not shifting the blame because of who made the first shit, it takes two to tango and if Bungie at all cared or had a sense of integrity they'd have said fuck off.
[editline]10th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;48424161]MMO's have been building their content for years. WoW was pretty sparse at launch, and every expansion since hasn't had "enough content". Destiny absolutely has more content than a "standard shooter". I'm not defending the pricing, but come on.
That's how it is with these games. PVP players say PVP is unbalanced and PVE players want more content.[/QUOTE]
No it didn't and still doesn't. Because even COD has a story presented to you in game at launch. Even if it isn't usually a good one.
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No it didn't and still doesn't. Because even COD has a story presented to you in game at launch. Even if it isn't usually a good one.[/QUOTE]
Six hour campaign + multiplayer vs. bad six hour campaign + multiplayer + strikes + raid + patrols + events.
[QUOTE=draugur;48424173]Activision made the call but Bungie said yes to it. I'm not shifting the blame because of who made the first shit, it takes two to tango and if Bungie at all cared or had a sense of integrity they'd have said fuck off.[/QUOTE]
You can't tell the people that pay your wages, your building upkeep, network infrastructure, and entire funding to fuck off. They tell you what you're going to do and you do it.
I'm still mad I preordered this shitty game, I tried playing it again on Saturday and finally decided just to clear off the space on my Xbox. Wow yeah RNG what a great game mechanic, that's why I still play WoW too. Oh wait I quit that too because the endgame is the same boring ass shit as in Destiny.
Like the actual shooter mechanics are pretty good, but satisfying kills only cover up so much of the "GRIND THIS RESOURCE TO UPGRADE YOUR GUN ONCE" kind of shit, which just ruined the whole game for me.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;48424306]I'm still mad I preordered this shitty game, I tried playing it again on Saturday and finally decided just to clear off the space on my Xbox. Wow yeah RNG what a great game mechanic, that's why I still play WoW too. Oh wait I quit that too because the endgame is the same boring ass shit as in Destiny.
Like the actual shooter mechanics are pretty good, but satisfying kills only cover up so much of the "GRIND THIS RESOURCE TO UPGRADE YOUR GUN ONCE" kind of shit, which just ruined the whole game for me.[/QUOTE]
Good news is you don't need to do that anymore since they are getting rid of leveling = RNG item drops as the endgame in favor of traditional XP up to a new level cap of level 40
[editline]10th August 2015[/editline]
I am assuming this is getting patched in the base game and you won't need the xpack to experience it (though it might be boring doing only base game content constantly up to level 40)
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;48424180]Six hour campaign + multiplayer vs. bad six hour campaign + [multiplayer*] + [strikes + raid + patrols + events. [B]multiplayer*[/B]]
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If you're going to part out individual parts of multiplayer as multiple features for your argument, COD has a campaign, multiplayer, gamemodes, survival mode, prestige levels, difficulty levels in the campaign, lots of maps, events, real life events.. See where I'm going with this? Destiny doesn't even have good multiplayer outside of strikes and raids, it's like four people in little instances where you steal each others kills while grinding for loot or occasionally work together for a quick and boring world event like defend the thing or kill a more bullet sponge-y thing that takes place every hour or so, oh boy. You can't even really say Destiny has community interaction because you get a tiny hub-world, no way to trade, no communication out side of the party chat function, etc. And the PvP is nothing special at best.
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You can't tell the people that pay your wages, your building upkeep, network infrastructure, and entire funding to fuck off. They tell you what you're going to do and you do it.[/QUOTE]
Yes you can, that's called artistic integrity and I'm sorry you don't understand it or value it. Not being a sell-out isn't a bad thing and I'm sorry that you think it is. There's a huge difference between them saying, "okay we want you to release some DLC" and "Okay, so take the original idea for the game right, but cut that down to the bare minimum and part the rest of that as DLC for almost half the price or more of a new game each.". One is just business as usual trying to get more money from enhancing the experience by building upon the base game and the other is literally building the base game to give you a vanilla experience at 200x the cost or more.
[editline]10th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;48423920]Oh I realise it. I just think these people are fucking ludicrous, just like I though people were out of their minds when WoW got big. The difference here is real MMOs have content built around their Skinner Box, Destiny barely has as much content as a standard shooter.[/QUOTE]
The difference is that WoW has enough content to justify the price to a very large amount of people (at least up until WOC and even then 5.6 million subs is a LOT of people). The grind in WoW is just part of the process to experiencing the lore and other content (plus level boosts and shit at expansion release), which up until the last few expansions was always considered to be very in depth and engaging. The grind in Destiny is just the entire game and there's no lore or feeling of involvement in the world. It's all the parts of an MMO except the parts that make an MMO fun. WoW has community interaction, big areas, massive raids that gave epic gear you would actually receive benefits for outside of that raid, etc.. Destiny has, the grind. Oh boy.
[QUOTE=draugur;48421175][B]Sorry that none of us are diehard sonic fanbase levels of brown in the nose[/B] to think that paying more money for an experience that we should have had for $60 max, is somehow a "great change." No, you're having shit forced down your throat and actively going back for more..[/QUOTE]
Don't pretend you know my how I feel about Destiny. It's a very much love hate relationship, there's just as many things as I love about the game as I do hate. I'm excited to see they're once again going in the right direction with the game. Activision forced Bungie to cut out so much content and mechanics out in the last year of development and the launch suffered because of it. The game's development and distribution platform is handled just like an MMO, and "Activ$ion" is the publisher, they set the prices, not Bungie, what did you expect? This is the fucked up marketing bullshit we see with MOST publishers...
I'm excited to see Bungie is fixing what's broken. Am I going to buy the expansion upon release? Probably not, but they once again peaked my interest. I had a blast testing the game prior to launch, I had blast playing with friends a few hour a week upon launch, and I thoroughly enjoyed House of Wolves, Prison of Elders, and Trials of Osiris. Destiny is turning into what it should have been upon release.
[QUOTE=draugur;48424695] Long rambling post[/QUOTE]
Our opinions on the content differ, and that's okay! But your bubble of how industry culture should work isn't even close.
The games industry is called the games "industry" for a reason. Your $50 mil+ game is not made for artistic expression it's made to be sold. Of course you fight your publisher when it's a matter of cutting a pivotal scene, killing a message, or presenting the game as what it is.
But if you fight your publisher over content you will always lose. No exceptions. Both sides have to agree to terms for production, and the people with the money can fight harder than the studio. There's a difference between being a "sell out" and keeping your fucking job.
And publishers aren't pure evil yo. They do what they can even if it's not always the best.
Why do you guys shit up every destiny thread if, as you say, you don't even play it anymore? You're not going to convince me or anyone else who does in fact enjoy the game. Its a flawed game of course, I can't deny that, but I still greatly enjoy the time I've invested into the game.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;48423701](If you got the game at launch and the collector's edition of TTK it would be $140. Base game post-launch with separate DLC and then Taken King would be [B]$180[/B].)
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Um, $60+35+40 doesn't equal $180. Also, when you buy the collector's edition of TTK, you get an extra copy of Destiny so you could easily sell it. For people who have the DLC and still want TTK's collector's edition they could easily sell expansion 1+2 on eBay for $30 + the new copy of Destiny for $10-20 since you get Destiny + code for expansions 1+2 + Taken King code
[editline]10th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=draugur;48424695]
Yes you can, that's called artistic integrity and I'm sorry you don't understand it or value it. Not being a sell-out isn't a bad thing and I'm sorry that you think it is. There's a huge difference between them saying, "okay we want you to release some DLC" and "Okay, so take the original idea for the game right, but cut that down to the bare minimum and part the rest of that as DLC for almost half the price or more of a new game each.". One is just business as usual trying to get more money from enhancing the experience by building upon the base game and the other is literally building the base game to give you a vanilla experience at 200x the cost or more.
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Come on, we both know that there are factors at play that we don't know about and will never know about. To say that the creative staff sold their souls to Activision is presumptuous at best.
[QUOTE=Velocet;48425905]Um, $60+35+40 doesn't equal $180. [/QUOTE]
Oh. Woops. I counted base game, dlc, and the version of TTK with the DLC and I was still $5 off of what that price would be. :v:
I won't edit the post though since I couldn't math right.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;48426193]Oh. Woops. I counted base game, dlc, and the version of TTK with the DLC and I was still $5 off of what that price would be. :v:
I won't edit the post though since I couldn't math right.[/QUOTE]
Even with the numbers wrong, you still have a point. The DLC expansions just weren't enough to justify $17.50/20 each, even if it makes people spend hundreds and hundreds of hours in them.
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