• Feminism Vs FACTS: "I won't post anymore Thunderf00t videos anyway, because I don't want to deal wit
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[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45291466]I know what your point was but here is proof anyway [IMG]http://puu.sh/9WBmZ/f7307095a0.png[/IMG][/quote] But do you have any proof towards the composition of these viewers? Maybe some reddit upvotes or Facebook likes to really prove your superiority over these SJW [QUOTE=Shreddinger;45291466]Thunderf00t is beating anita like a dying horse because she just wont die.[/QUOTE] Woah I hope you didn't strain yourself with that analogy
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;45291483]But do you have any proof towards the composition of these viewers? Maybe some reddit upvotes or Facebook likes to really prove your superiority over these SJW Woah I hope you didn't strain yourself with that analogy[/QUOTE] Do you hate me ?
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45291490]Do you hate me ?[/QUOTE] Please stay on topic please I just want a nice discussion
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;45291493]Please stay on topic please I just want a nice discussion[/QUOTE] Comeon, I'm sure we can find some things that we can both agree on.
I don't have a problem with her videos and I don't have a problem with what she supports, I think what she stands for speaks for itself so I don't need to discredit any of her claims. I have a problem with the way she raised $160,000 to make a video series about video games, something she's gone on record as saying that she does not enjoy and does not play (despite saying otherwise in the initial pitch of her video, then she went on to use footage from other videos. Wasn't the entire point of that money for "research" (buying games in this case)? The threats of rape and murder were disgusting towards her, but what's even more disgusting is how she received an award at the Game Developer Conference awards for "making gaming a better place". I would argue that she has done the exact opposite and she has done more to harm the movement of feminism than help it.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45291504]Comeon, I'm sure we can find some things that we can both agree on.[/QUOTE] How do you feel about Western Economics in the post-Reagan era?
[QUOTE=Korova;45291506]I don't have a problem with her videos and I don't have a problem with what she supports, I think what she stands for speaks for itself so I don't need to discredit any of her claims. I have a problem with the way she raised $160,000 to make a video series about video games, something she's gone on record as saying that she does not enjoy and does not play (despite saying otherwise in the initial pitch of her video, then she went on to use footage from other videos. Wasn't the entire point of that money for "research" (buying games in this case)? The threats of rape and murder were disgusting towards her, but what's [B]even more disgusting is how she received an award at the Game Developer Conference awards for "making gaming a better place"[/B]. I would argue that she has done the exact opposite and she has done more to harm the movement of feminism than help it.[/QUOTE] We were on such a roll, too.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;45291508]How do you feel about Western Economics in the post-Reagan era?[/QUOTE] Well Reaganomics seem to have had a largely negative effect on the middle class, I think that a bad thing, do you agree?
[QUOTE=michaeldim;45291527]We were on such a roll, too.[/QUOTE] Anita Sarkeesian and her followers have just portrayed women as whiny complaining dipshits to the point where even other women despise her and her movement inside the gaming space. Woman (presumably your girlfriend) being punched in the stomach and having the guy go get her is not misogynistic. It is a plot device. It is something you can relate to, it's basic and it starts a game where you're off to punch hundreds of bad guys in the face until you get the girl back. What's the problem with that? Dead or Alive and Bayonetta should be criticized for what they are, they are the equivalent of exploitation films. You don't see too many people going after those. Why is gaming any different? They're picking on a medium that hasn't fully evolved because if they attempted to try to change film, the film community would collectively tell them to go get fucked. Want better written female characters? Get more female writers. Want different storylines than the damsel in distress (something that is used in all forms of media)? Go make your own game.
Her last video went bad halfway towards the end. She criticized the interactivity of the NPCs without playing it herself. As a result, she took it out of context. It's similar to a movie critic watching a film blindfolded without regards to composition or scene placement, only hearing the SFX. Her last videos were better since she dealt with narrative of gaming.
[QUOTE=Korova;45291506] The threats of rape and murder were disgusting towards her, but what's even more disgusting is how she received an award at the Game Developer Conference awards for "making gaming a better place". [/QUOTE] Are you sure that the second thing is the "more disgusting" thing? As much as I'd hate to derail this awesome meltdown, I really gotta ask you if you are honestly going to claim that, between "receiving an undeserved award" and "being threatened with innumerable threats of physical and sexual violence," the "receiving an undeserved award" thing is the more disgusting of the two. You sure about that, bro?
[QUOTE=Korova;45291589]Anita Sarkeesian and her followers have just portrayed women as whiny complaining dipshits to the point where even other women despise her and her movement inside the gaming space. Woman (presumably your girlfriend) being punched in the stomach and having the guy go get her is not misogynistic. It is a plot device. It is something you can relate to, it's basic and it starts a game where you're off to punch hundreds of bad guys in the face until you get the girl back. What's the problem with that? Dead or Alive and Bayonetta should be criticized for what they are, they are the equivalent of exploitation films. You don't see too many people going after those. Why is gaming any different? They're picking on a medium that hasn't fully evolved because if they attempted to try to change film, the film community would collectively tell them to go get fucked. Want better written female characters? Get more female writers. Want different storylines than the damsel in distress (something that is used in all forms of media)? Go make your own game.[/QUOTE] Have you heard of the Bechdel test? People are constantly trying to change the film industry. Just because the damsel in distress trope is used doesn't make it good. The fact that it's used so much makes it even worse, it's a cheap trope. It's not hard to make good female roles. You just have to write women as people instead of end goals. Women are having trouble getting into media industries because they're still not respected within those communities. I can't just magically conjure up more female writers because when a female writer is actually shown to gamers, they freak the fuck out and send death and rape threats. Just look at the Jennifer Hepler controversy a few years back. Women are having trouble getting into the games industry because of the incredibly vocal portion of of incredibly toxic gamers. This is true for every other media industry.
[QUOTE=Doritos-pope;45291024]Just get fucking permabanned already[/QUOTE] Hasn't he already been pbanned like 4 times I'm assuming this is sheridanm, the one that threatened to kill himself over gmod or something
[QUOTE=Cabbage;45291695]Hasn't he already been pbanned like 4 times I'm assuming this is sheridanm, the one that threatened to kill himself over gmod or something[/QUOTE] Wut, this is my only and first account on this forum, I didn't even make 1 post in the gmod section. [editline]4th July 2014[/editline] Comeon guys, I'm sure I can redeem myself, I'm going to only post SJW-positive videos now. You will like that right?
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;45291022]"Given a bunch of money to criticize video games" No. She was given money to look at sexism in games. She only asked for six thousand, accusing her of being greedy doesn't really apply when she didn't ask for what she got. "No statistical evidence that videogames have an effect on behavior" Actually a bunch of studies have proved they do? Using extremes like murder or hit and run rates are ridiculous, but basic fucking psychology teaches that reinforcement has a powerful effect on the mind. "Media doesn't affect me" It does? Like this is a basic psychology concept, something you learn in fucking high school. That's why he's an antifeminist lmao, that's why he defends the media. I really can't watch any more of this video because he's a haughty, self-absorbed fucknut with a complete disregard for basic psychology and sociology. Saying "buh no it's wrooooong because I said so you fat bitch" isn't an argument.[/QUOTE] She's technically correct with that phrase. It does affect individuals, but not always in a similar or harmful manner as the video infers. People have different uses for the fiction that they interpret. Some reject, believe, ignore, or connect with the objects/actors/ideals present.
Guys I had an anxiety attack when I was making this thread, I wasn't aware of my actions. I hope you can forgive me.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;45291768]Hepler was hated because her writing was fanfic-tier garbage, it had nothing to do with her being a Woman, the death/rape threats she got was too far though, no one deserves that.[/QUOTE] Honestly? If it was a guy that wrote that, people would have criticized just the writing, and not the person. There wouldn't have been rape or death threats. But I think we should drop this, we're miles offtopic. We can take it to PMs, if you'd like.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;45291768]Hepler was hated because her writing was fanfic-tier garbage, it had nothing to do with her being a Woman, the death/rape threats she got was too far though, no one deserves that.[/QUOTE] Bad male writers don't get rape threats from women. There are countless terrible, hack writers in the video games industry; why do you think she was singled out for a hideous deluge of harassment?
Every time I open this guy's videos I just can't listen to more than ten seconds of his 'talking-down-at-you-because-I'm-better' attitude. Maybe it's just his voice.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45291059]I post thunderf00t[/QUOTE] Reminder, you posted these very words less than three weeks ago: [QUOTE=Shreddinger;45114761]I won't post anymore Thunderf00t videos anyway, because I don't want to deal with shit like this[/QUOTE]
Yesterday was really the first time I've run into any of your posts, Shreddinger. Because of this all I know about you is that you post shit like this and tried to start a feminism shitstorm in a completely unrelated thread in SH.
[QUOTE=gk99;45291882]Yesterday was really the first time I've run into any of your posts, Shreddinger. Because of this all I know about you is that you post shit like this and tried to start a feminism shitstorm in a completely unrelated thread in SH.[/QUOTE] He rated me dumb in another thread for [i]asking[/i] about why men were said to have an advantage over women when it came to sports. For asking a question. Prior to that and this thread, I didn't know anything of him. I'm not sure if he's winding people up on purpose or if we're misunderstanding him.
great video
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;45291877]Reminder, you posted these very words less than three weeks ago:[/QUOTE] I have a mental issue man, every day I don't post a thunderf00t video, I just don't feel like myself I'm sorry for grief this caused you, I truly apologize, I will make up for this by posting more feminism-positive videos
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45291828]Bad male writers don't get rape threats from women. There are countless terrible, hack writers in the video games industry; why do you think she was singled out for a hideous deluge of harassment?[/QUOTE] Probably because Hamburger Helper was one of the big (hah) faces on an AAA game that marked the end of Bioware, a company regarded by many gamers as one of the few "do no wrong" developers?
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45291902]I have a mental issue man, every day I don't post a thunderf00t video, I just don't feel like myself[/QUOTE] Oh my god just shut up and stop it. Every single debate on FP when the other side is backed into a corner, they always say "BUH MUH EMOSHNS". Stop. You broke your little promise and now you're paying for it.
[QUOTE=onebit;45291936]There is no such thing as objectification.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201008/sexualized-women-are-seen-objects-studies-find[/url] Actually I prefer this source: [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/feb/16/sex-object-photograph"]http://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/feb/16/sex-object-photograph[/URL]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45291930]Oh my god just shut up and stop it. Every single debate on FP when the other side is backed into a corner, they always say "BUH MUH EMOSHNS". Stop. You broke your little promise and now you're paying for it.[/QUOTE] How am I paying for it?
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45291902]I have a mental issue man, every day I don't post a thunderf00t video, I just don't feel like myself I'm sorry for grief this caused you, I truly apologize, I will make up for this by posting more feminism-positive videos[/QUOTE] I get that it doesn't feel nice being called out on all this, but is that really true? Your mental wellbeing depends on your ability to post videos by one guy online? I'm skeptical, yo
[QUOTE=geogzm;45291955]I get that it doesn't feel nice being called out on all this, but is that really true? Your mental wellbeing depends on your ability to post videos by one guy online? I'm skeptical, yo[/QUOTE] Yeah man, everyday I don't post a thunderf00t video, I just feel like there's a part of me missing, and then I become depressed for the rest of the day.
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