• Adam Ruins Weed Being Illegal
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I knew all this shit about weed being evil and terrible was all lies the day that I was introduced to my coworkers friend. This dude was in Vietnam and he had severe PTSD (I've personally seen it trigger in him one day). He was on dozens of pharmaceuticals. Couldn't ever get any sleep. He may as well have had insomnia. He had trouble eating and was all around absolutely fucking miserable on all those drugs. 15 different meds, at least. He started smoking marijuana and after a few months he was able to stop taking 10 or 11 of those meds. He was finally able to start getting a good night's rest and actually develop an appetite. I think a lot of people against the use of marijuana in medical applications just don't understand what it can do for someone. It's not like this guy is baked out of his mind 24/7. I've personally only ever seen him smoke twice. Every time I've talked to him or hung out with him he has always been coherent and normal. I can tell you for sure he wasn't coherent or normal before using weed. He was just tired all the time.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51385234]I sincerely doubt weed is really that harmless. For a psychedelic drug that alters the state of the mind, even if the physical harm is virtually non-existent compared to alcohol or tobacco, has there been any credible studies into the long-term [U]mental[/U] effects of cannabis? There was talk of severe memory problems, heightened levels of any or all underlying mental disorders like depression and anxiety, a decreased level of motivation and rigor, etc. These issues always seem to be dismissed in the grand total of the argument, which just boils down to legalization. Just because there are other legal substances harming us more-so than weed, doesn't mean we should add one more thing to that list, surely. Even if it's less harmful than the biggest offenders.[/QUOTE] I find it hard in a capitalistic and "free" society that weed can remain illegal when the drug has been around for so much of human history. The cat is out of the bag, cannabis is a product that the public enjoys and if you're telling me that millions of americans smoke today and the sky still isn't falling down, then I say give it a shot by regulating it. Yes there are long term effects to cannabis use, and sure those effects are stronger in some people over others. Just because a minority will abuse the drug shouldn't mean the majority has to suffer the consequences of their responsible use. There are plenty of people who smoke only at parties, same way people drink; there are people who only smoke on weekends, same way that people drunk; there are people who have a smoke with their dinner, just like how people drink. If we can create a culture around responsible use like those, and expand our perception from the "smoke everyday" notion, then we can influence people to avoid drug abuse and treat it like wine after a good meal. A glass of wine a day is actually pretty healthy, and I'm sure smoking once in a while may have it's benefits too.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51385234]I sincerely doubt weed is really that harmless. For a psychedelic drug that alters the state of the mind, even if the physical harm is virtually non-existent compared to alcohol or tobacco, has there been any credible studies into the long-term [U]mental[/U] effects of cannabis? There was talk of severe memory problems, heightened levels of any or all underlying mental disorders like depression and anxiety, a decreased level of motivation and rigor, etc. These issues always seem to be dismissed in the grand total of the argument, which just boils down to legalization. Just because there are other legal substances harming us more-so than weed, doesn't mean we should add one more thing to that list, surely. Even if it's less harmful than the biggest offenders.[/QUOTE] He covers this in the video, these issues are usually only present (afaik) in individuals who heavily smoke while the brain is still under development. Hasn't weed also proved to be effective against certain mental disorders as well, like depression? Not everyone reacts to a substance the same way, there's a reason we have a lot of prescription drugs out there with the same goal since there's no catch it all kind of drug for whatever you need it for. Wouldn't it just do good if safer alternatives were available? People have their drug of choice and if a safer alternative is available then I can easily see that people might go from drinking often to just smoking weed instead since they find it more desirable. You also get it off the black market which is a huge plus. Cleaner and safer weed to get, no more shady deals.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51385234]Just because there are other legal substances harming us more-so than weed, doesn't mean we should add one more thing to that list, surely. Even if it's less harmful than the biggest offenders.[/QUOTE] People should be free. [QUOTE=Marbalo;51386671]Until we understand it completely, instead of just comparing annual death rates and calling it a day, fully convinced that it's safe (since if people arent dead then it must be harmless, right?), it should remain banned and criminalized, sorry.[/QUOTE] I can see your logic up to 'banned', but why criminalized? Clearly, your logic is a nanny-state, [I]"I know what's best for you"[/I] kind of consideration for the people, which gives reason to banning certain things you deem harmful. But why [I]punish[/I] them if they fail to be protected by your tyranny?
I only got a lesson once about where and how you should smoke marijuana properly as a beginner (along with the dangers of driving while being stoned, but most of the time it was about alcohol rather then drugs)
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;51381875]I wish i could enjoy weed as much as everyone else does. When i try it just ends up with a anxiety attack and me swearing never to smoke it again.[/QUOTE] See I used to have this issue but its alot better now that its legal here [editline]17th November 2016[/editline] I think alot of anxiety ans paranoia stems from the fear of reprecussions
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51386762]how about we just abolish laws altogether because people should be free to make their own choices?[/QUOTE] You need to make sure people don't harm [I]others[/I], not themselves. [QUOTE=Marbalo;51386762]The majority of people aren't smart enough to make good decisions.[/QUOTE] That is your opinion. Those people will have a different opinion. That's why you and no-one else should be able to decide what others can and can't do. You can't have some people deciding other people's worth.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51386762]Why? [editline]17th November 2016[/editline] Because banned without criminalization defeats the purpose of it being a deterrent. I also dont understand how you jump from "the state protecting you from harmful shit" to "nanny-state", how about we just abolish laws altogether because people should be free to make their own choices? This kind of rhetoric will never make it past any law institution or policy-maker. You dont just decriminalize stuff because people should be free to make their own decisions, on ANY matter. The majority of people aren't smart enough to make good decisions. I dont think I need to bring you examples to prove my point. This is the state of the affairs we are currently part of, and once again, if cannabis really does end up being marginally harmless enough to be accepted through congress or any other authority in any country, then there is no harm, we win. Until we know for sure however, it should remain banned from the populace and criminalized to deter usage.[/QUOTE] It is safe to say that it is mostly harmless though? Sure, overuse may have an effect on mental capacity and memory in the long run and have other minor risks and effects on the body and brain, but they're not at all severe enough to justify criminalization. Do you also support a ban on caffeine?
[QUOTE=darth-veger;51386900]I only got a lesson once about where and how you should smoke marijuana properly as a beginner (along with the dangers of driving while being stoned, but most of the time it was about alcohol rather then drugs)[/QUOTE] i was recently in a car that got pulled over and someone in the car was smoking. we got pulled over, cops took the pipe, and said "if you're gonna smoke, go smoke at home instead of making us pull you over and yell at you" and let us go. most cops don't care about weed
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51386762]Why? [editline]17th November 2016[/editline] Because banned without criminalization defeats the purpose of it being a deterrent. I also dont understand how you jump from "the state protecting you from harmful shit" to "nanny-state", how about we just abolish laws altogether because people should be free to make their own choices? This kind of rhetoric will never make it past any law institution or policy-maker. You dont just decriminalize stuff because people should be free to make their own decisions, on ANY matter. The majority of people aren't smart enough to make good decisions. I dont think I need to bring you examples to prove my point. This is the state of the affairs we are currently part of, and once again, if cannabis really does end up being marginally harmless enough to be accepted through congress or any other authority in any country, then there is no harm, we win. Until we know for sure however, it should remain banned from the populace and criminalized to deter usage.[/QUOTE] If you're not banning alcohol/tobacco you have no right to act like you give a fuck about health
Because of this, I remember D.A.R.E. being a thing, and that's it.
[QUOTE=Britishboy;51387189]Because of this, I remember D.A.R.E. being a thing, and that's it.[/QUOTE] kinda wish i had the shirt still
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51387291]What a childish rhetoric.[/QUOTE] What a great retort! [QUOTE]You cant actually ban alcohol or tobacco because it has enjoyed a long history of being legal for a long time now.[/QUOTE] Argument from tradition. Meaningless drivel. [QUOTE]On the other hand, it's much easier for a banned substance to continue being banned. Especially when it hasn't even been proven to be harmless yet. Again, if you guys are such big proponents of "letting people make their own choices", are you also in favor of legalizing all drugs? Meth, cocaine, heroine, etc? Why stop at weed, since you guys actually hold personal choice above everything else. [/QUOTE] Okay, so you honestly think weed and Heroin are the same? What a uselessly ignorant argument to be posing. Weed, much like alcohol or tobacco have enjoyed thousands, and thousands of years of use, but traditionally weed wasn't criminalized, you're running off of the last 100 years of tradition saying it squashes all the millenia before it. Cmon. [QUOTE]If a drug epidemic starts because of a series of layoffs, for example, economic struggle or times of national strife, do you even realize how many people will abuse newly legal, hard drugs - just like they're abusing regular over-the-counter pharmaceuticals right now? Do you even comprehend what that means?[/QUOTE] You can't argue without creating strawman eh? You just can't Weed being legal =/= wanting all drugs legalized but you won't let us argue just for weed because that makes your strawman weaker. Cmon. Yes I fully comprehend what that means. I also fully comprehend that your argument relies entirely on you relating weed to heroin and meth as if they were on the same playing field. No. They're not. Alcohol is closer in its bodily damage potential to heroin, yet you're [B]perfectly[/B] okay with it, so please, be honest, stop being a fucking hypocrite, admit you don't care about health at all or else this crusade would actually be meaningful! [QUOTE]I understand that thinking the government is working against you in the name of interests is a really popular meme on these forums, but please be real. There's a reason why cannabis is banned in most countries around the world and it no doubt has more justification behind it beyond Reagan being an asshole "with no chill" and his war on drugs.[/QUOTE] Yes and it isn't that weed is a dangerous drug because most of the studies that that decision was historically based on have been debunked as bullshit so your reasoning here is as weak as wet paper. You're going on and on about health, but you don't want to go through the "effort" of prohibiting [B]factually harmful drugs that we use on a daily basis, aka alcohol and ciggaretes[/B] and instead desire to chase weed into the same level as heroin out of your own ignorance. Dude. I've been addicted to heroin. And I've seen alcohol tear apart families. I have never heard of weed doing anything to anyone that they weren't already doing but yet you'll ignore the damage alcohol has done to my family, my life, other peoples lives to chase down weed because it's just one step too far for you. Like you just don't get to say you care about health when you're ignoring sources of death that cost us almost a million lives a year combined to battle something that's never killed anyone, and may at it's worst have some side effects down the line if smoked too early. It's fucking ludicrous.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51387291]What a childish rhetoric. You cant actually ban alcohol or tobacco because it has enjoyed a long history of being legal for a long time now. On the other hand, it's much easier for a banned substance to continue being banned. Especially when it hasn't even been proven to be harmless yet. Again, if you guys are such big proponents of "letting people make their own choices", are you also in favor of legalizing all drugs? Meth, cocaine, heroine, etc? Why stop at weed, since you guys actually hold personal choice above everything else. If a drug epidemic starts because of a series of layoffs, for example, economic struggle or times of national strife, do you even realize how many people will abuse newly legal, hard drugs - just like they're abusing regular over-the-counter pharmaceuticals right now? Do you even comprehend what that means? I understand that thinking the government is working against you in the name of interests is a really popular meme on these forums, but please be real. There's a reason why cannabis is banned in most countries around the world and it no doubt has more justification behind it beyond Reagan being an asshole "with no chill" and his war on drugs. [editline]17th November 2016[/editline] Because fighting against alcohol and tobacco is an uphill battle. Plus, I would be preaching to the choir anyway. Nevermind the fact that massive alcohol and tobacco mega-corporations are directly in the way of anything being done about those things in the legal sense, their obvious ties to the government, and a lot of backroom dealings means that there is absolutely no way for anything to be done about either substance. There's no reason to be crying about split tar, anyway, so I just stick to the topic at hand.[/QUOTE] your username seems suspiciously close to marlboro i think you have a conflict of interest going on here!!
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51387291]What a childish rhetoric. You cant actually ban alcohol or tobacco because it has enjoyed a long history of being legal for a long time now.[/QUOTE] You can't ban weed either. Look at how much money is being spent on enforcing the bans and then look at how many people still smoke weed.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51387291]Again, if you guys are such big proponents of "letting people make their own choices", are you also in favor of legalizing all drugs? Meth, cocaine, heroine, etc? Why stop at weed, since you guys actually hold personal choice above everything else.[/QUOTE] I think I'm the only one here who made that argument, and yes, I am in favor of that.
The only time I heard an anti-drug message that made sense was at a military base. In France we have this mandatory education day when you reach 16 where you're brought along a local military base and you're told stuff about the army, advantages of enlisting, etc. And at the end, the guy who was doing the presentation kindly asked us to avoid fueling the drug market because the illegality of the thing means that the source of the drug was more often than not directly tied to terrorist group which [I]they[/I] had to fight. No bullshit about morals or dangers of drugs or anything, just plain and simple "stop giving money to people we're at war with, morons". [editline]17th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51387472]I think I'm the only one here who made that argument, and yes, I am in favor of that.[/QUOTE] Personally I'm still fervently against the legalizing of hard drugs like meth, cocaine and such, and my logic is based on the exact same logic as why something like suicide is illegal. On the surface, it may appear like it's your choice, but in reality the majority of people who resort to killing themselves or taking hard drugs do so because of deep personal issues that need to be helped with proper counseling and psychiatric attention, not muted with increasingly addictive and powerful drugs. The same could be said of most substances, or forms of entertainment - people do fun things to keep their minds away from the bad things. But the issue with hard drugs is that if you're [I]this[/I] deep into the rabbit hole just to keep your mind off of things, what you need is help.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51387579]And at the end, the guy who was doing the presentation kindly asked us to avoid fueling the drug market because the illegality of the thing means that the source of the drug was more often than not directly tied to terrorist group which [I]they[/I] had to fight.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;51387579]the majority of people who resort to killing themselves or taking hard drugs do so because of deep personal issues that need to be helped with proper counseling and psychiatric attention, not muted with increasingly addictive and powerful drugs.[/QUOTE] I think both of these are good arguments for legalization. If drugs are legal, terrorist groups won't be funded when you buy them. If drugs are legal, you can actually get help and counseling rather than get punished harshly by the law.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51387291] Again, if you guys are such big proponents of "letting people make their own choices", are you also in favor of legalizing all drugs? Meth, cocaine, heroine, etc? [/QUOTE] there are some downsides, yes, but putting better quality stuff, thats taxed, as well as providing care centers (and possibly restricting amounts to prevent overdose and extreme addiction) is better than keeping it illegal, throwing anyone who has it in jail, not providing them with support, and letting drug crime overlords thrive and prosper.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51387629]I think both of these are good arguments for legalization. If drugs are legal, terrorist groups won't be funded when you buy them. If drugs are legal, you can actually get help and counseling rather than get punished harshly by the law.[/QUOTE] Ultimately hard drugs being illegal helps with actually finding and tracking down users, thus leading to them getting help - if the system is in the right mindset. What was the term for something for being illegal but not technically leading to any sanctions ? Decriminalization ?
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51387629]I think both of these are good arguments for legalization. If drugs are legal, terrorist groups won't be funded when you buy them. If drugs are legal, you can actually get help and counseling rather than get punished harshly by the law.[/QUOTE] Do as the [URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-drugs-idUSTRE69O3VI20101025"]Swiss[/URL] and do something that actually works
Having prior experience with heroin, meth, and cocaine, I don't want them legalized but the current situation is untenable and something needs to be done to address the problems. I believe a comprehensive rehab system would be far better than the strict prohibition of such goods, you can't remove them from the market, so you have to deal with the consequences. Heroin is seeing the largest resurgence [B]ever[/B] in north america. It's everywhere. Fucking everywhere. Opiods are everywhere. Fentanyl is everywhere. These things have spread like fucking wildfire under prohibition, I don't think legalization is the answer, but clearly sweeping it under the rug won't work for another decade. Pain killers are also being massively over prescribed, which is in turn, causing the heroin epidemic. Marlbolo, you may not realize this, but the reason [B]for[/B] the opiod epidemic is the medical system. Oxycontin, percocet, etc, are commonly prescribed drugs in the US for things that aren't deserving of such heavy painkillers. The problem is that these people get hooked on addictive over the counter drugs for legitimate problems, they don't get weaned off, or proper rehabilitation procedures and then they become full on addicts. They go to the street, and they get heroin that is usually cut with garbage or with fentanyl which is even worse and even more potent and kills people due to their inexperience with the new potent filler drugs. This is a situation that isn't helped by saying "Weed is the problem, keep that illegal". Weed isn't even a fucking issue, it isn't on the radar, it shouldn't be something people like you care about. If you gave a shit about health, you'd be far more concerned with serious issues.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;51387682]Do as the [URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-drugs-idUSTRE69O3VI20101025"]Swiss[/URL] and do something that actually works[/QUOTE] France is already partially doing this. There are health centers where addicts can go to get help and advice, and they've officiously been helping addicts with actually taking drugs for a while, so to at least prevent overdosing and infections. The French Federation of Addictions (FFA) has been fighting for a while to get this properly legalized and to also have the government grant addicts a supply of Axolone, on the same grounds as any other sick person having a rightful access to life-saving drugs through social security. So basically, keep it illegal, but make it easy for addicts to get out of the loop or at least stay in the loop that won't make them risk impending death.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51387695]That's not an argument from tradition. [/QUOTE] Well if you insist [QUOTE] I was referring to the fact that alcohol and tobacco are both set-in-place in our legal and justice systems, that it will be nigh impossible to ban it in the modern era due to the massive opposition you'd face from both the people and the government. I guess I should have worded that more adequately.[/QUOTE] They are in such a position due to lobbying in the 1880's through to the 1930's and 40's. [QUOTE]No, I dont think weed and heroin are the same, and I never equated the two. You strawmanned this point - I used other, harder substances as examples to drive home the point that legalizing (potentially[i](!)[/i]) harmful substances and entrusting the public to not fuck themselves up is a very naive and unfounded agenda.[/QUOTE] You are equating them though? Saying that weed and heroin have similar chances to cause the destruction of society is equating them. Weed is well enough understood that we know it's not heroin, and we know it's not alcohol. We don't even understand heroin, alcohol, or cigarettes at the level you require us to understand marijuana in order to have it legalized. That's silly beyond belief. [QUOTE]I am not okay with neither alcohol or tobacco, you've again strawmanned my position as if I was defending either substances just because I choose to discuss weed specifically in a thread about weed.[/QUOTE] You consider weed a more serious target than either of those as evidenced by your arguments thus far and your insistence that any focus on them is childish. I think the benefits of banning weed are less than the benefits of banning alcohol or tobacco health wise, long term, short term, however you define it. [QUOTE]Also, I've for the third time now stated that we should be absolutely certain without a shadow of doubt that cannabis is harmless before we make any legislative action on it, so I am perfectly fine arguing about "just weed" without needing to resort to slippery sloped arguments. My previous note of harder substances was merely a vehicle to establish a counter-point to "let the people decide" on things the people clearly should not be able to decide. [/QUOTE] So basically we need to reach a point of research where we can never be surprised to learn new things? That'll never happen so what do you actually want? [QUOTE]Debunked by whom? Which studies? Which researchers? [/QUOTE] Are you familiar with the studies that were done on it in the first place, or are you just going "they were valid studies because they were done at that time"? Anslinger himself, the man who got the drug illegalized [QUOTE]nslinger had not been active in this process until approximately 1930.[7][8] Prior to the end of alcohol prohibition, Anslinger had claimed that cannabis was not a problem, did not harm people, and “there is no more absurd fallacy” than the idea it makes people violent. His critics argue he shifted not due to objective evidence but due to the obsolescence of the Department of Prohibition he headed when alcohol prohibition ceased - seeking a new Prohibition. Anslinger collected dubious anecdotes of marijuana causing crime and violence[/QUOTE] He changed his views by 1936 and had started using yellow propaganda to prove it was evil. Then, we start looking at studies like the "Marijuana kills brain cells" study where they literally suffocated monkeys and called it a day. [video=youtube;cPwYZOCZ2gs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPwYZOCZ2gs[/video] [url]http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/does-marijuana-kill-brain-cells[/url] [QUOTE]Please post any links proving your point because all the studies I have come across are either firmly pro-cannabis or emotively against it. Some studies literally debunk one another and I find it really hard to come to any reasonable conclusion on the matter. Again, too much ideology in the science of it. [/QUOTE] There are many neutral studies that point out it doesn't have any miracle cure elements, but that it also doesn't destroy people long term. The only long term effects I've ever read about are the triggering of latent, pre-existing mental conditions. [QUOTE]Again, you're engaging in some pretty hardcore Whataboutism. The argument is not about how it's unfair that cigarettes are legal while blunts aren't. The argument should always be why cannabis should be legalized or remain criminalized - WITHOUT constantly going on and on about alcohol and tobacco. [/QUOTE] Whatever. You can define however you want. I don't care. To me, you cannot talk about the effects of drugs on the population of the planet without dealing with the big two. You can focus on the small fish all you want, but you're spinning your wheels and wasting everyones fucking time by acting like there aren't serious issues there to be dealt with first. There are. [QUOTE]Cannabis should be researched and understood without equating it to tobacco and alcohol. Comparing death rates is not a science, it doesn't prove or disprove anything and it brings us no details and no insight into the actual effects of cannabis. Even if it doesn't fucking kill you, I'd like to understand how much it damages or enriches my brain and body. [/QUOTE] All I can see with you is you saying "I get to put my foot into your life, kick around, and tell you to fuck off and that what you enjoy is wrong, harmful, and destructive to society all the while ignoring the destruction and devastation left by alcoholics, smokers, and the like." You've divorced the issues in your head entirely. I can't and I wont' because to me, they're not nearly as separate as you insist. Alcohol is such a common drug that it is referred to constantly. When I drink, I get violent, angry, and hateful. So I can't drink. I can't enjoy myself. I smoke weed, I am a happy, thoughtful, enjoyable person who is active and engaged. You can doubt that all you want, but that's who I am when I smoke up. I become a better person. You want to take that away from me forever. You want that element of who I am to be removed from existence. When your basis for saying "we can't legalize this until ____" is that we literally can't learn more about it, then you're asking for more than we have about ciggarettes or about alcohol and you're not going to push for them to be illegalized so you're just a massive hypocrite to me on this issue. They're all directly linked. You talk about society and the effects weed will have on it as a whole but you're not going to stop and ask "How has alcohol shaped the last 50 years?"
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51386671] And the problem with said studies, is that a lot of them are extremely biased beyond all reason. Either pro or against weed, a majority of the studies not only contradict eachother, but also use faulty methodology to begin with. [/QUOTE] So the studies are biased but you're not? lol.
[QUOTE=kiloy;51381799]All I remember from D.A.R.E. was that cops came in with beer goggles and challenged everyone to put them on and walk on a straight line. Nobody could do it :v:[/QUOTE] For my D.A.R.E. program we had to sing a song about how drugs aren't cool or some shit in front of our parents. All I remember from that day was this girl vomiting all over my best friend at the time on his birthday. I went to the birthday party later that day. He wasn't a very happy birthday boy. I've smoked cigarettes but kicked it when I moved to Cali and got my [I]green[/I] card. I've been smoking it pretty much every day. I actually didn't know about the affects on people under 25. Does anyone know if tolerance and how much THC is in your system at a time plays a big role in these stats? Because if they don't I'm going straight back to making it a weekly thing. But I'll be honest I have terrible trouble falling asleep and after I smoke I knock out in a matter of minutes. It's made my daily life a hell of a lot easier because I can actually function through out the day. Would it be better long term just to suck it up in your guys opinion?
Zero people dying from smoking weed? Pretty bold statement, burning plant and paper and inhaling smoke isnt good no matter what, that's why edibles/vapes exist. But, plenty of people smoke using plastic bottles, thin metal pipes, and paper, that's horrible for you and im sure people have died from using those methods of smoking weed over the course of their lives.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;51388693]Zero people dying from smoking weed? Pretty bold statement, burning plant and paper and inhaling smoke isnt good no matter what, that's why edibles/vapes exist. But, plenty of people smoke using plastic bottles, thin metal pipes, and paper, that's horrible for you and im sure people have died from using those methods of smoking weed over the course of their lives.[/QUOTE] Zero people have died as a result of [I]cannabis use[/I]. All the things you named why weed is bad are independent variables of why it is bad, but don't point to the plant itself. While yes, constant use can slow down your cognitive thinking, and using things like plastic and metal are bad for you, as long as you stick to glass and keep it moderate you should be fine. Both of my parents come from alcoholic families and let me tell you, weed DOES NOT compare. And also yes in ways it may be bold to say weed hasn't caused any deaths like say if some one was driving high as balls and crashed a car, but I found your statement to be equally as bold is all.
shit should be legal in canada soon
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;51388693]Zero people dying from smoking weed? Pretty bold statement, burning plant and paper and inhaling smoke isnt good no matter what, that's why edibles/vapes exist. But, plenty of people smoke using plastic bottles, thin metal pipes, and paper, that's horrible for you and im sure people have died from using those methods of smoking weed over the course of their lives.[/QUOTE] Okay but even by your argument there, the thing kill them is distinctly not cannabis It's plastic, metals, and other things How is that the fault of cannabis?
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